Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 7776867)
Im far less worried about Eastern Eupopean immigration (theyll all go, in time), than I am about the swathes of people that come here with no legal nor moral right, who will never leave (and likely as not, never contribute either).
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I see Pete's right hand man has been let out of his cage! :lol1:
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777006)
I see Pete's right hand man has been let out of his cage! :lol1:
I can think of no finer SN compliment!:) |
That doesn't surprise me!
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It's interesting to see the title of this thread, given that the actual reports states 'small benefit'.
I suspect this betrays the poster (and supporters) unbalanced feeling about this key issue. Try look at this issue without fear and resentment and you never know, you might actually start seeing things differently. |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7776722)
Yup, it's called "not being a xenophobe" :)
Let not get carried away with what this report says - It's doesn't vindicate being a massive racist (not that you are one) it says that there is little economic benefit to immigration, it says nothing at all about other benefits/costs. e.g. whether there is a net drain on resources in terms of public services. Les |
The government justify immigration by lying about it being worth £6bn, this is because mass immigration in itself is a bad thing, so it needs to be justified.
If there is little or no benefit to unprecedented mass immigration, then financially it is neither good nor bad, but most people would see it as a bad thing socially, so overall, immigration at this level is bad for the country. |
So Prime minister Brown has stated no cap on immigration as he believes immigrants are massively contributing to the British economy.I am afraid there is no hope for a once Great country if an unelected buffon like Brown is permitted to make irrational decisions like this . God help us all!
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Originally Posted by RobJenks
(Post 7777209)
So Prime minister Brown has stated no cap on immigration as he believes immigrants are massively contributing to the British economy.I am afraid there is no hope for a once Great country if an unelected buffon like Brown is permitted to make irrational decisions like this . God help us all!
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1997 was the last time I believe! :)
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777265)
1997 was the last time I believe! :)
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Tell me why mass immigration at the current level is good for the country.
Given that the financial benefit is now acknowledged to be nothing, what else makes this a good thing? I'm not talking about controlled immigration, I am talking about the level we have now, eg: 23% of all children born in England were born to mothers who were born abroad. This number will only increase and I don't believe it is sustainable. |
Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777290)
Tell me why mass immigration at the current level is good for the country.
Given that the financial benefit is now acknowledged to be nothing, what else makes this a good thing? I'm not talking about controlled immigration, I am talking about the level we have now, eg: 23% of all children born in England were born to mothers who were born abroad. This number will only increase and I don't believe it is sustainable. Why is having children born to mothers who were born abroad a bad thing - I don't understand your point there. It should also be remebered that a significant number of people emigrate each year, so the net numbers are nearly as high as being peddled by the usual suspects in the press. The financial benefits are still £6bn, as it was yesterday - the issue was how GDP per capita has gone down as a result, the overall amount remains £6bn. I don't know anybody who believes in uncontrolled immigration, you'd have to be crazy to believe this, but this issue is being hyped into something it is not? |
Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777290)
I'm not talking about controlled immigration, I am talking about the level we have now, eg: 23% of all children born in England were born to mothers who were born abroad. This number will only increase and I don't believe it is sustainable.
You want the numbers to be farily evenm (which they are https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../print/uk.html) - So without that 23% we would probably be in a spot of bother. |
The financial benefits are not £6bn at all, have you even read the report?
Immigrants generate £6bn, but cost the country about the same, so they are of no benefit overall financially. As I said before, given the fact they don't benefit the country financially what is the benefit of having uncontrolled immigration? All you have come up with is someone to serve you a latte. :lol1: |
Another point made by the report is that house prices will rise by 10% due to this immigration.
When I suggested on here that house price rises were linked to immigration you condemned me for being mad, well now it's a bit more official perhaps you will believe it! |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 7777364)
I don't know anybody who believes in uncontrolled immigration, you'd have to be crazy to believe this, but this issue is being hyped into something it is not? Dave |
Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777383)
The financial benefits are not £6bn at all, have you even read the report?
Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777383)
Immigrants generate £6bn, but cost the country about the same, so they are of no benefit overall financially.
It says that they add £6billion to GDP, but the per capita amount is pennies. What they are saying is that the average Briton is no better off due to immigration in terms of productivity to GDP - It's not about "cancelling out" the £6 billion at all. |
Originally Posted by pwhittle
(Post 7776924)
look at the UK in terms of population- it explains why we would have more CCTV per head than anywhere else apart from anything else Dave |
Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777383)
The financial benefits are not £6bn at all, have you even read the report?
Immigrants generate £6bn, but cost the country about the same, so they are of no benefit overall financially. As I said before, given the fact they don't benefit the country financially what is the benefit of having uncontrolled immigration? All you have come up with is someone to serve you a latte. :lol1: But let's take 'no overall benefit arguement' if thats the case, and the impact in neutral, which I believe is highly unlikey (just using my eyes), come to London and you'll find 100,000's of jobs that would simply not be done by anyone else. If the impacts are neutral then why are you getting so worked up about this issue? |
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"That not what the report says at all. It says that they add £6billion to GDP, but the per capita amount is pennies. What they are saying is that the average Briton is no better off due to immigration in terms of productivity to GDP - It's not about "cancelling out" the £6 billion at all. " So are you saying that the cost to the NHS, Police, housing, etc. is on top of the fact that they generate nothing per capita? If that's the case it's even worse than I thought, I apologise for my misunderstanding. :lol1: |
"But let's take 'no overall benefit arguement' if thats the case, and the impact in neutral, which I believe is highly unlikey (just using my eyes), come to London and you'll find 100,000's of jobs that would simply not be done by anyone else. If the impacts are neutral then why are you getting so worked up about this issue? "
I don't believe the social impact is neutral, I think it is disastrous. To answer your worry about your latte, if the government cut the ridiculous amount of benefits given to spongers, they would be able to fill the jobs taken by immigrants, seems like fairly simple economics to me. If people have to work to survive they will do. |
Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777404)
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"That not what the report says at all. It says that they add £6billion to GDP, but the per capita amount is pennies. What they are saying is that the average Briton is no better off due to immigration in terms of productivity to GDP - It's not about "cancelling out" the £6 billion at all. " So are you saying that the cost to the NHS, Police, housing, etc. is on top of the fact that they generate nothing per capita? If that's the case it's even worse than I thought, I apologise for my misunderstanding. :lol1: |
Really, so what is the cost of immigration on public services then, you and Pete are very well informed with these figures, you should have them to hand?
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777388)
Another point made by the report is that house prices will rise by 10% due to this immigration.
When I suggested on here that house price rises were linked to immigration you condemned me for being mad, well now it's a bit more official perhaps you will believe it! Which with the best will in the world I don't think was the sort of time frame anyone here was looking at. |
Thank god that we didn't kick those other immigrants out.... you know, those Romans... we'd still be sh1tting behind bushes :D
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777414)
Really, so what is the cost of immigration on public services then, you and Pete are very well informed with these figures, you should have them to hand?
I.e. if you have 1000 people contributing £10 per capita then you have a total GDP of £10,000. Add another 100 people @ £10 per capita and your total GDP goes up to £10,100 - but your per capita GDP stay the same. Public services etc are nothing to do with the report. What is being said is that per capita we are not better off Geddit? |
Originally Posted by Paul3446
(Post 7777414)
Really, so what is the cost of immigration on public services then, you and Pete are very well informed with these figures, you should have them to hand?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 7777452)
The highest 'drain' (bad word I know) on the public sevices are the elderly, sick and unemployed.
Indeed - Not forgetting the huge amounts we spend each year in State pensions etc (£45 billion at the last count) What people need to realise is that to pay all these "bills" we need tax revenue, and if needs be, you have to get the revenue by "importing" workers. |
When was it ever good??
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