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Terminator X 07 February 2007 11:44 PM

Mine is my everyday car & i'm fine with that. Bit noisy (turn up the stereo) & ride can be a tad harsh (go quicker!). Otherwise fecking awesome!!

TX.


Originally Posted by Steve Fort (Post 6634919)
Spec C has the similar problem. It is arguably the best scoob ever for tear arsing about. But to live with every day as your only car, i'm not too sure (having never owned one!) It isn't sold as a UK car either, is it?


Terminator X 07 February 2007 11:46 PM

Too much info MJFJ!!

TX.


Originally Posted by Multijfj (Post 6635005)
Hawkeye STi Spec C Type R-RA

Clearly the best subaru ever made, it makes me erect just thinking about it.


Bubba po 07 February 2007 11:57 PM

P1 still on my shopping list. :)

T5NYW 08 February 2007 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by fatmanscooby (Post 6635693)
"A P1 isn't a Type R with bits removed, it best described as a V6 4 door built into a2 door bodyshell with Type R suspension. Bit more complex than that as some parts were fitted in Japan and more were fitted in the UK but it's more correct than saying it's a low spec Type R."

That will get em Fired up.

:lol1: :D

But it's true I've had shed loads of goes in P1's on road and Track and owned a Type R vltd, agreed was harsher on bumpy roads in comparison. As for speed and top end my type R V ltd with std longer 5th and 8krpm was better than a P1 at both on a Autobann. athough nearly hit a 22B up the rear as he "Peaked" to early :lol1:

Saying that, for a comfortable well handling car Prodrive does it better than most :D Handling versa Comfort is normally Comrpomise/trade off and you have to take your Hats of to the boys at Warwick they know their stuff.
The handling of the RB320 is very good I was suprised anything that comfortable could still handle so well :D very much in the P1 Class IMHO

Tony

Steve Fort 08 February 2007 12:25 AM

Maybe the RB320 is the one then! (shame they look like a batmobile!)

T5NYW 08 February 2007 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by Steve Fort (Post 6636103)
Maybe the RB320 is the one then! (shame they look like a batmobile!)

Blacks not my favourite oolour but really felt the "Package" as a whole was the best prodrive has produced since the P1 , OK it not gob smacking quick but ticks all the right boxes :D IMHO

Personelly the only UK car I'd have bought in the last 3 years, sorry WR1 owners but Prodrive to float my boat with that one;)

Look out early next year for the new Model it WILL be far superior to the P1 IMHO

Tony

Terminator X 08 February 2007 01:06 AM

Careful Tony, loose talk like that could harm residuals ;)

TX.


Originally Posted by T5NYW (Post 6636119)
Look out early next year for the new Model it WILL be far superior to the P1 IMHO

Tony


Davey P 08 February 2007 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by rabskyline (Post 6635789)
p1 ? the best ?? with bottom ends going left right and centre i certainly think not.. jap sti any one of them ! take yer pick ! although the p1 looks good ! just my two bobs worth...

The P1 has the same engine as the Jap cars, assuming you mean the Version 5 / 6. :Whatever_

rabskyline 08 February 2007 06:03 PM

so why do they have a rep for going bang around 45k ??? they are lovely looking cars but the poppind motor is an issue ive heard a lot of !:wonder:

p1stew 08 February 2007 07:13 PM

At present i own a Spec C T20 courtesy of Mr Litchfield & Powestation, the car cannot be beaten for value for for money and ticks all the boxes on road and track. It is cheap to service and maintain and nothing has failed in the 25k i have done. I can't recommend the Spec C enough and whilst the P1 was a beautiful looking car with fantastic detailing it's engine blew up at 32K and was replaced under warranty.

Reference the argument about the Spec C not being a ' proper ' subaru i would suggest that due to IM registrictions the british public are not being allowed access to the best equipment, that the boys and girls at Subaru can produce.

rant over:D

bighead 08 February 2007 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by rabskyline (Post 6638838)
so why do they have a rep for going bang around 45k ??? they are lovely looking cars but the poppind motor is an issue ive heard a lot of !:wonder:


bull****e :)...when maintained properly P1 engines do not pop :)

eliot 08 February 2007 07:23 PM

Just bought a P1, and its by far the best scoob i've owned (i had a bugeye and a blobeye).

Both were tuned but nowhere near as spot-on as the P1 - it's a great standard car :D It'll take some beating!!!

wershy

Davey P 08 February 2007 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by rabskyline (Post 6638838)
so why do they have a rep for going bang around 45k ??? they are lovely looking cars but the poppind motor is an issue ive heard a lot of !:wonder:

TBH, they are no better or worse than the STI 5/6 engine. It depends on how you treat them. If a lot of owners are honest about when there engine went bang, you will find its often after a top speed run.
Treat the engines well, use decent petrol and oil, replace the MAF once a year and your certainly off to a good start.

p1stew 08 February 2007 07:40 PM

is that why there were six went bang at Lucas of Mansfield & over 10 at Beechdale in Derby, surely not all these drivers were misusing there vehicles. I'd owned 2 subarus before the P1, never a problem. I was sold the dream that the P1 was the ultimate subaru, but after the engine let go it dented my confidence.

I for one always get all of my cars serviced in advance of the schedule, use optimax as was or V power.

The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.

Like i say, speaking with Ian Litchfield he has had only one failure of all the Spec C's he has sold whilst he has been trading and the part cost less than 50 quid.

I rest me case:luxhello:

rabskyline 08 February 2007 07:45 PM

so i am not alone with the engine popping p1 stories ? if its true, (which it seems it is) how can it be the best impreza ??? surely it cant ?:wonder:

Hepy 08 February 2007 08:01 PM

I had over 3 1/2 years of driving bliss with my P1. Best car I've owned. Never missed a beat.

Luminous 08 February 2007 08:22 PM

I thought someone one here was saying that the P1 could do with a remap as its fuelling was not quite right for UK petrol. I could be wrong, but I am sure there was a discussion about the fact the P1 map was based too closely on the Sti V 5 or something.

AFRIKANZ 08 February 2007 08:32 PM

The type r definately was IMHO the best one produced. 22B's are just too beautiful to even try to compare it with a P1......

scoobynutta555 08 February 2007 09:09 PM


At present i own a Spec C T20 courtesy of Mr Litchfield & Powestation, the car cannot be beaten for value for for money
How much is a Spec C T20 these days? I bet there are many other Imprezas better value for money out there. In fact my best value for money Impreza was also the cheapest, a modified UK saloon.

Terminator X 08 February 2007 09:20 PM

Cheap is not always good value! Sometimes it's better to pay for good quality ...

TX.


Originally Posted by scoobynutta555 (Post 6639482)
How much is a Spec C T20 these days? I bet there are many other Imprezas better value for money out there. In fact my best value for money Impreza was also the cheapest, a modified UK saloon.


Bubba po 08 February 2007 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by p1stew (Post 6639172)
The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.


Well OBVIOUSLY, that's not when the damage was done, is it? :rolleyes:

Soapy Sam 08 February 2007 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by Terminator X (Post 6639528)
Cheap is not always good value! Sometimes it's better to pay for good quality ...

TX.


I'll second that...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...m/t25small.jpg

andythejock01wrx 08 February 2007 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by Bubba po (Post 6639886)
Well OBVIOUSLY, that's not when the damage was done, is it? :rolleyes:

Or in other words "Heads I win, tails you lose" !

scoobynutta555 08 February 2007 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by Terminator X (Post 6639528)
Cheap is not always good value! Sometimes it's better to pay for good quality ...

TX.

Nobody is saying cheap is always best value. What I am saying is what I've spent on my car now is 4 times less than my last Impreza, and it's just as good, if not better, than the last one.

Terminator X 08 February 2007 11:21 PM

What did you have before fella & what now?

TX.

scoobynutta555 08 February 2007 11:23 PM

22b uk version and now a MY00 fully rebuilt and properly modded.

Terminator X 08 February 2007 11:50 PM

Wow, 22b! Very nice :thumb: only ever seen one on the road & it looked awesome so fair play to you. See what you mean now though re VFM as the 22b's do cost a bit vs a normal Impreza.

TX.

scoobynutta555 09 February 2007 01:33 AM

Yeah, basically the differences between a 22b and a typeR are so small for the average driver that you're really paying an extra 15k just for posing, not great VFM when you can get a nice typeR for 8kish.

Davey P 09 February 2007 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by p1stew (Post 6639172)
is that why there were six went bang at Lucas of Mansfield & over 10 at Beechdale in Derby, surely not all these drivers were misusing there vehicles. I'd owned 2 subarus before the P1, never a problem. I was sold the dream that the P1 was the ultimate subaru, but after the engine let go it dented my confidence.

I for one always get all of my cars serviced in advance of the schedule, use optimax as was or V power.

The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.

Like i say, speaking with Ian Litchfield he has had only one failure of all the Spec C's he has sold whilst he has been trading and the part cost less than 50 quid.

I rest me case:luxhello:

I think you missed my point. I was answering a question regarding the P1 and STI 5 / 6 engines. I agree, they should be more reliable, but a P1 engine is no better or worse than an STI 5/6 as they are exactly the same.

There is no way I would compare the P1 engine to a Spec C engine:hjtwofing

Group N 09 February 2007 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by p1stew (Post 6639172)
is that why there were six went bang at Lucas of Mansfield & over 10 at Beechdale in Derby, surely not all these drivers were misusing there vehicles. I'd owned 2 subarus before the P1, never a problem. I was sold the dream that the P1 was the ultimate subaru, but after the engine let go it dented my confidence.

I for one always get all of my cars serviced in advance of the schedule, use optimax as was or V power.

The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.

Like i say, speaking with Ian Litchfield he has had only one failure of all the Spec C's he has sold whilst he has been trading and the part cost less than 50 quid.

I rest me case:luxhello:


I had a P1 from Beechdale in Derby, brand new. covered 96,000miles in just over 4 years.... never missed a beat ever! and I didn't drive like miss daisy ever as the guys at the dealership know. Even trips to WRC in Spain covering 1,100miles in one & a half days never bothered her.
Mega car in my book - will never see the likes of it again. :(

I'm would conside buying another P1 over a new age STi Impreza to

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

just my tuppence..


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