Even more reason to make me wonder about whether or not some of these are inside jobs.. especially this case.

i picked one of these over a tracker!!!

trackers are not worth FECK ALL IMO

It's very easy to find the tracker, it took me about 5 seconds to find where mine had been installed. On new-age scoobs there's a place on the car where the unit fits neatly and has good access to the GPS signal so installers are just lazy and stick it there.

Not wanting to hijack the thread - but has anyone considered a DIY GSM tracker like this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=230011818468

I'm sure I could hide it pretty good.

GSM Phone based systems are good there are some that will also TEXT you when alarm goes off or Car is moved :D but again it's another "Technology" that a superior "Technology" that can over come :rolleyes:

You can do a simple search on the internet :rolleyes: GSM 3 band Jammers can work in a 3-10mm radius and drowns out there transmissions ans for very little money. here is one in the USA and will post here and UK one totally legal.

http://www.phonejammer.com/cell-phone-jammer/p2jbz.asp

http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/rx9000.htm

Tony

That unit will only locate the cell where the phone is which could be an area of several square kilometres. To find the car you would really need a GPS-based tracker.

Just like on Gone in 60 Seconds!

True but that comes back to a. cost of the tracker / subs and b. in this case the gps tracker hasn't worked anyway.

Ive got an Cat 1 alarm and immobiliser, a tracker and a disclock,


wow theres gonna be some damage when they take my car

If they get past all that,and i know they will try,they can have the car.

The problem with the trackers is that some of the proffesionals use signal jammers that means that both trackers mentioned above would be useless. Unfortunatly the truth of it is: some people (scum) are really good at what they do and thats steal cars. If they want your car they will get it regardless of the security installed. If you put that good a security on the car and they want it, they will just come in and take they keys and whatever they need. To be fair its probably best when there taken when people are not there rather than come into peoples houses. The real organized proffesional thiefs that steal to order will happily break into a house and steal a car at gunpoint. So that means that the security measures on cars are really only there to deter criminals that aren't quite at this level.
People that do this for a living will know the ins and outs of all the security on a car that there going to take and will have probably planned the robbery well in advance. This is serioulsy **** but unfortunalty the truth. These criminals only tend to target new cars and high value vehicles.

The security guard wouldn't see anything if the thief has the capability to overcome the security. It would just be like someone getting into their car and driving off.
I've never been to any race cicuit but I presume you must have to show a pass to get in to the competitors area.
Do you have to show it on the way out? Could you keep it on you/give it to the missus to hold.
I go with the "gone in 60 seconds" idea.
That security guard must be earning a fortune. Wonder whether it's the same one on duty when all the cars are nicked?
I can't believe the thieves sit outside the track all day waiting for the right car to drive in.
Either way,their security seems to need sorting out.

Totally agree

Yes a joy riding Scote would ;) but sorry to dissappoint you but a Pro wouldn't hardly do any damage at all, they do it a living and are well prepared. The car will only sell if it looks A1.

But would agree some of the "Non Technology" types like Disclock, athough not Cat rated :rolleyes: may slow them down more or cause more damage

I think Disclok is Thatcham Cat3, and approved by Soldsecure (Police).

Everyone invest in a dipol gearlock now, these electronics seem to easy to bypass!

Hope you get the car back soon m8.

dipster

Disagree on some of the tracker comments about not having on - namely I CANNOT get insured unless I have one. As I am insured, if the car get nicked the insurace coughs up................

sorry, banged my head hoovering the car:-)

Agree that they are not the car crime cure all that we are led to believe.

Seriously though, you need the insurance (and so the tracker) to be road legal. The disklok is a visual deterrent, but again you have the people who research how to get round it. A pair of large bolt cutters on the steering wheel to remove the disk lok etc: small change to replace a steering wheel on a £20K+ motor.

One of the best methods I have used, on the recommendation from a copper neighbour is some extremely hardened chain (not that expensive) and a good, bolt cropper protected padlock - a decent one. wrap the chain around the seat posts and around the steering wheel.

When this is done, a thief cannot easily sit in the car with the door shut (and hence inconspicouos - they have to crop/cut/whatever with the door open.

All any of this is though, is a deterrent. If the car was truly un-nickable without the keys then I would have to upgrade the security on my house to stop people breaking in there to steal the keys, with the associated stress/harm to my wife and kids. I would rather the car went without my knowledge than someone holding a knife or gun to one of the kids to get me to part with the keys. (I keep em locked in a safe). Just my cynical opinion.

hope the car is returned in an undamaged condition. Hope the thieves are subjected to Sharia law

Gutted to hear about your WR1. Sounds like you were the victim of pro thiefs and the bad news is the car will probably not be coming back. if it was mine then at this point i would be praying the car didn't come back and your insurers pay out.

Dont ease up on the track security. If you paid to park then surely there should be some comeback on the people who charged for a service ?.

Good luck from here Robin i hope you get sorted mate.

mickp

I really feel sorry for is Robin, his pride and Joy gone his fight with his insurance to get a decent settlement :mad: It's only during a claim that you see how good your Insurance Company is ;) I just hope he has GAP insurance


3 years ago 10/10 insurances insisted on Tracking devices, probably now only 5/10 ;) but as you say better to have some security measures than none, mainly to catch the opportunist Scumbags :D

I have commented loads of Tracking or alarm Threads, unfortunately lots of owners assume, This device or that alarm etc etc. is the dogs dangles and now not even God could nick it :rolleyes: Low and behold it's gone in 60 seconds :mad:


Tony

Although these people are scum and need their heads stamping on they are obviously equipped and well knowledged. Any new alarm/immobiliser/tracker will need certified technicians to fit them. I've been on 1 and 2 day courses as a mechanic to learn the most effective places to mount, ways to over-ride and shortcuts for these devices. Once you know the basics on one its fairly simple to wrkout any system will be similar. As long as this information is freely distributed there will be people out there who know how to nick your car.

What doesn't change is the noise of an angle grinder. Good anti theft Disc-locks and such are far more of a deterrant than any electronic system no matter how expensive.

I feel for the owner of this car, but to be honest once these people decided they wanted your WR1 there was nothing you could do about it. The Filth are useless and lets face it even if your car was found by someone they would show little interest in retrieving it for you.

I hope you get a massive insurance payout and can buy yourself something that will emotinally replace your WR1. And fingers crossed these people will die horribly in the very near future.

Morning,

No news still - though as I left for the circuit at 7am yesterday, returning 8pm did not have a chance to call for an update.

I will chase the police up when I get into the office later and post an update then.

Best wishes,

Robin

I can second the removable steering wheel mentioned above, scrotes just have to look in the car and see the wheel is not there and they leave it alone.

Another thing I used to do quite often is remove the HT lead fromt he dizzy - depends how accessible it is on your car but if its easy to get to its a 3 second job and its going to confuse dickheadscrewdriverman long enough to make them think about aborting their attempt.

Another option I have used is to remove 3 wheel nuts and leave the last one fairly lose. As soon as they boot it the car is going to lose the wheel. However there are legal implications (annoyingly) with that one if they crash and die.

Final option is a fuel pump cut off, hidden in the boot is the best place.

There haven't been dizzys on cars since about 1980 ('ish).

My insurance company didnt pay out coz the keys were in the car I dont like to name and shame, but I think most insurers adopt that policy... if anything like this happens to anyone else remember, the keys werent in the car, they were in your pocket and the thugs mugged them off you - then you're insured! :brickwall

Shows how much I know :lol1: Maybe disconnecting the crank sensor or some other sensor thats needed for the ECU to fire the engine - dont know much about the boxer 4 engine!

Rob, so sorry to hear about the loss of your car. I was at Donington from Friday to Sunday night staying on the park farmhouse campsite. Did hear a Scoob about 4:30pm on the Friday as passed comment on the noise to my partner. Really hope you either get the car back or a good payout from your insurers. Heard of a car going from a SIDC meet at Donington a few years ago. That had a tracker in which the thieves located and immobilised.
Were you racing at the weekend and if so what series in as there was a lot of good races on over the weekend.

mate had is Evo V11 stolen from donnington a couple of years ago. police indicated at the time they thought someone on the 'inside' was phoning up the 'removal people' and possibly running to a wanted list !

not good at all :(

That is my next mission, but not in the boot! Im gona ask 10 people where they would look for such a switch and not put it in any of those!

Also leaving the stereo on level 40 would be a good one as it would prob perferate there ear drums and alert others around!

I like that one :cool: But unfortunately they'd survive but some innocent motorist wouldn't :mad:

Tony

Exactly, not the best idea - but it works if needed.

Donington competitor car park security has always been poor. 90% of the time the exit barrier is left open, the other 10% they lift the barrier as you aproach it, i have never been stopped when leaving.

The security gate is used purely to limit peoples access to the carpark and pits areas in cars which dont have passes, and even if you dont, tell them something plausible and you will get in on any day bar the ticketed race days.

Basically, you cant think of the competitor area security as anything other than Entrance traffic control, because that is the only function they carry out, which is exactly the same case at many other circuits i go to.

"Im going to the race school Mate..." always worked for me; I wasnt there to skank cars of course.

Simon