Unfortunately they all come back twice the size too :(;)

TBH yes, I've seen it happen and listened to one girl in the very same situation state she was quite happy to take the employers money with no intention of going back. When looking for staff you can't help but wonder if the same may happen to you.

The main issue is weather the person has intention of coming back after or is just taking the money while they can. If they were coming back to work for me than fine I'd respect their wish to start a family. Can you really blame an employer for feeling a bit miffed if the employee takes the money and then says their not coming back? Not really fair is it.

Why don't men take time off when their kids are sick then, if more did then i would imagine 'sickness' rates would be pretty equal between the 2 sexes.

Do you know what? That wins the fairest post award of November!!

It really is as simple as that to equal the balance, surely.

I wonder how many blokes have actually taken time off for their childrens sickness, when their wives have gone to work?

I'm one of them.

She works up town, I work locally. If the nursery calls up and my daughter is ill - I pick her up. If she's not well enough to return we take it in turns to stay at home.

Yes - if they're capable of the job.

I wank in the face of positive discrimination though.

because men are doing important jobs.....im sure a few shelves going unstacked wont hurt though while the woman looks after the kids.

T

think thats HALF due to the fact that the man is still mainly the bread winner and would go to work more to keep his job as the womans job might be less important (for incoming funds to the household) its not always the case but its a fair point

as per tiggs said really

Gutmann - I'm with ya!!

Women may be capable (of doing the job) but innevitably are gonna have children. As a busines I'm a believer in employing who you damn well want.

We used to have mingers who were efficent now we have lookers who are cr*p. I know who I prefer having around. ;) A visit to central admin these days is like going to an atomic kitten gig (only better).

UB:)

The senior HR Guy at my old place had a saying when Interviewing Catholics (He was a Rangers Fan). "I'd rather hire a fcuking woman than a Timm b@st@rd"

Predjudice alive and well ;).

Give the Job to the Best Candidate - Blokes can turn out to be complete knobbers just as easily as women can become pregnant.

PMSL :D

Further to my last post, I've done a fair amount of interviewing and if I don't want to hire someone, I can find something about them in the interview that lets me legally turn them down. At least one girl I interviewed physically repelled me. I soon found some gaping holes in her resume (to match the ones in her minging clothes), and found a massive lie on her CV. The guy we did hire is still at the company 5 years later.

Can I just say, and I don't know if this has been said before, (I cannot be bothered to read it all), but it's not the employer as such that pays the maternity pay. They claim the majority of it from the Government. OK, so they have to pay for a replacement, but most of the actual money the woman gets comes from the Government.

The reason that you cannot say that you are not going back is that you wouldn't get a penny, and then, if the company pays you over the odds in maternity pay, (their choice) they can claim it back from the woman.

And, just as a side point, women generally get paid less than men anyway, so there are advantages from the employer view even though I don't agree with it.

I agree with your viewpoint Clare. As I said women are generally good grafters etc. I was just saying that if I owned a small company I would think twice and not want to be in the position my colleague is .......

Funny that. Perhaps female ability at work is linked to thier abilities in bed. From experience, mingers are far more effecient and willing than lookers :D

Employ the best person for the job - and herein lies the problem. Biologically women have a lot going against them in terms of doing jobs that were traditionally male roles, which is presumably why things were like they were in the first place! :D

Edited to add: Its also sad, I think, that in today's "equal opportunities" society we can reject people on the basis of "fuzzy" attributes such as their attitude, their skills, their education etc. but not on any fundemental physical attributes that could have a direct effect on the way they do their job.

Women get paid less cos they're thick and feeble.

Are you trying to get me to bite? I will not :p

pmsl at this thread.


but yes, if running a small business i can well imagine that this would be a criteria in the back (or jammed at the front!) of the employers mind.

BTW, I have been asked many a time if I am going to have any more kids. I decline to answer and by rights could ask for proof that they have asked a bloke the same question.

But let's face it, at a job interview, you're never going to say anything cos 9/10 you want the job!

Years ago when I had women working for me in a male dominated industry I found the women had to be much better and harder working than the men to get a job therefore were the better people to take on, having said this I think may be the answer is that if the women doesn’t come back to work then she has to pay back the money e.g. like a student loan because I don’t see why the Tax payer or employer should be "screwed" out of money by people de-frauding the benefit system .

Also I now meet lots of women in jobs where their only asset appears to be their looks/body I wonder how many man who applied for these jobs and got turned down even considered complaining that they were rejected as they didn’t wear mini skirts to work? At the moment equal opportunity seems to work in the women’s favour and men just get on with their lives.

I'd like to see how all the blokes react if the government bring in the new idea of paternity leave - blokes having more than 2 week off, possible 6 months. How many of the men here that have had kids recently can honestly say they didn't take full advantage of paternity leave?

But at £100 a week, how many can afford to? Small companies and all maternity/parternity law is a nightmare. My own company struggles when someone takes 1 weeks holiday :eek: In a small company the hole someone leaves can be huge, its ok not to face a financial burden, but the loss of knowledge can be critical. Office of 6 and 2 women go on maternity or the husband takes his 6 months off can cause serious damage.

Jonathan

i employ woman in all my shops where men dont work

i dont believe in mixing with woman employees, it can lead to sinful stuff

only woman i work with are my cousin and my staff jackie sometimes she is a muslim convert and like a sister to me and fiance of my mate

but i hardly work with woman and i do have woman staff in all my other shops, woman are more trustworthy and hardworkers than men

best thing is, if u have a woman who happens to be a mother, give them good times so they can look after their kids and pick them up, if they can do that, mothers are awesome workers, last thing u want a mother to do is work hard and hardly see her kids and rely on others to look after young kids, kids miss their mums

but woman with no kids yes, give them good jobs and i found woman are better staff than men but they can talk like hell :D

your mate is engaged to his sister?!?!? :confused:

lol i meant she is like a sister to me and a fiance of my mates :D sorry

They brighten up the office..........esp during the summer!!

I employ 11 women and 7 men but always the men are there for skillsw and women for fluffy stuff but I could never run my business if I accepted applicants who had young children becuase the workforce is to small to loose a member. All this equal opportunbities bull**** does not work for a samll business when you loose hours to red tape any way. I am currently trying to get rid of all english staff anyway they are lazy and uncomitted compared to the foreign people I employ who work twice as hard for less money and are generally much much better educated as well as having no clue about sexual harassment laws and working time regulations ;)