OMG Those pricks in that Evo 7 so deserved that! :D

Apparently they'd forgotten about the M3s launch control!

Best

My last car was a 325ci - very torquey, you don't have to change down to get it going.
The thing with it was as it was so smooth it didn't feel fast but it was quite nippy

chips are available for them as well :-)

Have you driven a BMW or been in one? A 288 scoob will not touch a new M5 - they really couldn't have been trying, as any M5 owner on this BBS will surely agree. Nor would a chipped golf at 167 hold a 330, unless it weighed 12 grams, once at a reasonable speed.

330, M3 and M5 are class machines, all of which outpace a new shape scoob WRX from a rolling start. I have driven and owned a 330 and driven an M3 for a month or so. Complete class and very easy to drive quickly, with loads of grunt low down - that's where they can catch us scoob's out.

Go and test drive one then come back and tell us (honestly) about your experience.

Discussing very same with Rich down at Powerstation last week, as he did my geometry for me. If he rates 330's and M3's (which he does), who am I to disagree!?

...checks M3 prices on AutoTrader... :D

I tried to race an m3 in my classic last year and ive never seen anything go like that before.It went past me like i was stood still.
Awesome machines!!

Your car was probably having a bad moment! i've taken 325's and 330's a few times on A roads. I felt like you when I did get beaten though, or when I felt my car wasn't fast enough (WRX 03 PPP), in fact 12 days ago I part ex'd my lovely Scoobie for an Evo 7 FQ300, and yes, this car is the business, performance wise, in every respect, but I do miss my Scooby very much, and I will be getting another maybe next year, although it will be an STi this time, as I was never happy with the softish handling of the WRX, with Prodrive springs too!

What's even worse is when you get mugged by the diesels! ;) LOL :D

Matt

Have to agree, my last car was a 310bhp STi Type R. Only on a launch could I pull away from an E46 M3, once rolling there was little in it. (though never went past 100 with one).

When I had my 323 (2.5) my friends classic waggon (chipped) couldn't murder me, it pulled away a little, but didn't thrash me. a 330 is a good match for a WRX and at higher speeds may be a little quicker, either way I'd say there's little in it.

I've yet to have a tussle with an E46 M3 in my 996 C2, though I have had a play with a STi7, by the time I got to 140 I'd pulled quite some distance from it.

I just don't see a 288bhp scoob beating a M3.

Cars like M3's and 911's will match scoob's and Evo's to 60-80 but after that, they really are faster cars.

heard it all before

Yes ajm, we could have doen a exchange deal :). The main reason I did the change was that Mrs Leslie reckoned the STi was like a tin can which I thought was a bit rude! Anyway all for the sake of peace she is happy now.

That clip about the Evo was revealing, I dont think it was launch control so much, he just pulled away easily once they had been going for a short distance. Thats more or less how I see it with mine. The Beemer is higher geared and the very good acceleration it has just continues all the way up the rev scale, in fact it improves when you reach 5K revs. The variable valve timing gives it an enormous advantage.

Now you can see why that although I loved my Scoob, I'm not unhappy with the Beemer.

Les

A 340 BHP Classic Scooby edges away from an M3 at high speed if you are in front from what I've seen. Doesn't mean you can get past though if you are behind with the typical space available!

i try and play with m3's but only when its to my advantage i.e. not in a straight line


seriously though unless it is an m i dont really bother with it unless offcause they fancy a bit. If i could afford it i would swap my 04 STi PPP for an E46 M3

The other week i had a car 'pushing' me along in the roadworks section of a dual carriageway (30 mph for a stretch - and i was doing just over 30 creeping past some cars in the inside). I thought as soon as we get back into the de-restricted 70 zone i'd nail it and teach this car a lesson. (It was dark and i couldn't see what it was - xenons are pretty bright in your rear-view mirror).

So the 70 signs appear, i'm in second gear ready to hand this guy his ass on a plate - i pull over into the inside lane (perfect luck of overtaking all the traffic) and nail it (after the customary squirt of intercooler spray obviously!). I had a smug grin on my face ready to gloat - the car goes past me like i wasn't accelerating! It continued to dissapear nearly too fast for me to catch what or more to the point who it was!

My Dad in his RS4.

Now from what i understand, once rolling, the new M3's aren't that much slower than the RS4's - make from that what you will!!

However, i did obliterate a TVR 350C this morning from the lights. I think i was dropping third before he'd got any traction!! (before anybody starts i know how quick they are but on greasy roads.......)

I've got a MY03 Sti UK spec by the way.

Chris.

One point worth making is that not all drivers are prepared to wind their cars up to max performance against another one since it is a licence losing procedure if you are caught at it. So if you found you left another car for dead, don't assume he could not have done the same for you if he wanted to.

Les

Once you are going above 70mph the drag co-efficient has a lot to do with it.

My Caterham will do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds (430bhp/ton), but over 70mph its about as aerodynamic as an aircraft carrier and really starts to slow. On track days I really start to struggle over 110mph, cars like TVR and Ferrari etc just start to pull away... but I get them under braking or on the exit of the next corner :norty:

Its like most things with a Scooby, get caught in the wrong gear off boost and most cars will seem like they got away.

BUT you will catch them, oh boy you will !! ;)

Personal experience has shown that my 260-270bhp impreza keeps up with an E36 M3 in most speed ranges up to 70mph. Beyond that the M3 pulls away convincingly...prob due to lower transmission loss and better areodynamics....

35 mph in 4th gear in both an M3 and Impreza on a straight flat road.

Each driver puts their foot right down on the pedal, who will edge away?

BTW I have had an E36 M3 and my current love is an RB5 with Decat. :D

RB5Caterham, easy the M3! My 406 would obliterate a standard classic in 4th gear from 35mph! I'd much prefer a battle in 3rd gear from 5mph - which btw the pug will pull cleanly from ;):D

Scoobys do not like the high gears at low speeds. They won't entertain 5th at 30mph!

Mine does :p .........just :D

:)

Exactly. First sensible reply to this

Racing on a public road could be construed as being a little irresponsible, but each to their own :mad:

Just watched the video of this. Seemed to go really quiet in the Evo after the M3 had pulled away. Maybe a lesson to those of us who think we drive a car that's unbeatable, perhaps? :)

It would have been so much funnier if the passenger had laughed and just said, 'you've been spanked mate!!'

seems like a ot of scoob owners haven't come across an m3 being driven propely ie over 5k on the rev meter,i have owned in the last 3 years a 300 bhp terzo a 310 bhp bugeye and a ppp 03 sti also a e36 m3 evo and i can tell you that altho the 4 cars are pretty similar up to 80 mph the m3 is in a different league after that and pulls away no problem when being revved up to the red line which is where a lot of bmw drivers are going wrong as they change up to early to get the best out of the engine.
As an example 40mph in 4th gear you can floor the m3 and not have to change up to 5th until you are doing 140mph it has 170 on the clock and does it no problem even tho restricted to 155 it still goes to 170 on the clock i dont know of many scoobs that will do that, its not a slur on the scoobs as i love them to bits and would have another but a comparision is what you have just read by someone who has owned both.

Someone call Norris McWhirter,I've seen the longest sentence in history !

No substitute for cubes.

No substitute for cubes? Other than light weight, forced induction or well tuned engines, reduced transmission / aerodynamic losses to name a few things, you mean? Unfortunately, a scoob only has one of the above. Hence whilst standard/lightly modded scoobs are quicker than most "normal" cars, they aren't truly fast or supercar status or anything. However, pit the M3 against, say a 900cc bike or a 1300cc radical turbo, which would win? At the other end of the scale, throw in a 1990 oldsmobile saloon, or perhaps an 11 litre truck!

An M3 has (a) a lot more power at the wheels than most scoobs, and (b) better aerodynamics, hence is likely to be a lot quicker at high speeds. To go to the original point, I'd guess a 325i probably has getting on for 150bhp at the rear wheels, and a 330i getting on for 200, again with better aerodynamics. A non-PPP'd WRX might not make 150 at the wheels, and would need a turbo change to go far over 200.

I also stand by my comment made a lot earlier. If you're caught in the wrong gear by someone who gets on the power before you and is moderately quick (and being 2 seconds slower than a mild scoob from say 30-80 is not really very fast), it's going to take a long while to catch back up.

I doubt there's that many Scoobs that will take a new M3. Spec C excluded. The bigger cubed engine is going to be far less stressed than a high power turbo. I would take an NA engine of equal power and torque any day.
You've forgotten to mention gearing and power production point aswell. We all know how quick the scoob is off the line, but as shown in the vid of the Evo vs M3, the M3 clearly has the legs. Yes the M3 is RWD and has better aero, but my money is on the M3 round a track aswell. The M3 is a far better all round car.

And mixing Radical's and Bikes is not really in the equation when comparing Scoob and M3 or 325.

I think you knew exactly what I meant by the statement I made.

What will we have next, people with mildly modded scoobs claiming to have taken a new M5. :rolleyes:
My brother has a fairly new 3 series Ci. It's not the fastest off the line. But it still feels quick in gear. When I just had a decat on the scoob, I had a pop at a 325, and I didn't gain as quickly as I expected. At one point he was pulling away.

Also the new Vxhall 3.2 GSi, I bet that is as fast as a standard scoob in gear.