Originally Posted by Barxy
(Post 11663619)
Go on, what are all the implications that outweigh the ridiculous fees we pay to be a member when we can clearly do without them....
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Im a fine position to vote, and ukip will 100% be getting my vote.
All you got to do is reason the first post to see why. I may not know the ins and outs of every single detail about every single party off the top of my head, but ive read and watched enough to know i much prefer ukip's policies, and that the amount we pay for the EU is ridiculous and for what? Nothing that benefits me anyway. And trust me ive read plently of fors and againsts about the matter. To be totally honest, its the rest of ukips policies that sway me more than the immigration issues. They seem so much more down to earth than the other parties, who seem to live on another planet, especially that idiot Milliband and the moron that is Clegg. Those two just dont seem to have a clue about the real world, not in the slightest. At least Farage has actually had a real job, and has actually lived on this planet!! Okay so UKIP have a few crazy MP's that say stupid things i agree, but so do the other parties. Its just media dont play on them anywhere as near as much. |
Originally Posted by Barxy
(Post 11663636)
Im a fine position to vote, and ukip will 100% be getting my vote.
All you got to do is reason the first post to see why. I may not know the ins and outs of every single detail about every single party off the top of my head, but ive read and watched enough to know i much prefer ukip's policies, and that the amount we pay for the EU is ridiculous and for what? Nothing that benefits me anyway. And trust me ive read plently of fors and againsts about the matter. To be totally honest, its the rest of ukips policies that sway me more than the immigration issues. They seem so much more down to earth than the other parties, who seem to live on another planet, especially that idiot Milliband and the moron that is Clegg. Those two just dont seem to have a clue about the real world, not in the slightest. At least Farage has actually had a real job, and has actually lived on this planet!! Okay so UKIP have a few crazy MP's that say stupid things i agree, but so do the other parties. Its just media dont play on them anywhere as near as much. |
UKIP: the media has spent the last ten years telling everyone they are racist, is it any surprise when a few racists have joined?
Yet they ARE the only party that suspends IMMEDIATELY any wrong-doing is suspected. And what's all this whining about bullying of Miliband? The other parties have been smearing UKIP for the last five years. |
Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 11663599)
Have you read the rest of this thread?
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11663727)
Nah, I figured it would be a bit of a laugh to chuck my 2 pence worth in on an unrelated subject. :thumb:
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11663718)
And what's all this whining about bullying of Miliband? The other parties have been smearing UKIP for the last five years. |
Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 11663166)
Try some properly cooked Argentinian beef if you ever get the chance. Puts British and Scottish beef to shame. :(
Promotion is all well and good if the product is good enough. And it needs to be further than the just the home market. British Leyland fell in to that trap, and look where that ended up. Quite a populist manifesto there. Not much wrong with it, but details probably would complicate it though - i.e ECHR...replacing it with a UK one...it'll only be any good if the UK version is better implemented. I won't be eating anything from British Leyland. We managed perfectly well without the ECHR.. |
Originally Posted by Barxy
(Post 11663863)
Because over the last 5 years UKIP have come from basically nowhere to being right up there with a real possibility of being a contender. 5 years ago they all probably wernt worried about them but now they are all sh*tting a brick about UKIP. Rightly so too, bound to happen sooner or later !
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Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
(Post 11663869)
I can clearly see cows from my bedroom window, and those are the ones I want to see killed cooked and eaten locally with no chance of being accidentally mixed up with Horse, or in Argentina's case, Llama.
I won't be eating anything from British Leyland. We managed perfectly well without the ECHR.. ECHR? You might need a history lesson then! |
Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 11663612)
I think this is by far and away the biggest factor, I've seen it myself door canvassing and telling at polling stations, people support UKIP but aren't saying publically.
Read below the line at various newspapers and you see comments like "I can't believe UKIP is so low in the polls, everyone I speak to is voting UKIP", there is much more going on than the media is letting on to |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11663914)
Mad cow?
ECHR? You might need a history lesson then! Please, be my guest re history, enlighten me as to why we need a European Court of Human Rights as opposed to our own bill of rights. |
I do find it rather strange that the uk want to imunise cattle against TB but the rest of europe dont
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 11663852)
True to form anyway! :thumb:
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11663976)
Well lets be honest having a sensible debate with a UKIPper is a bit of a waste of time and my previous comment was obviously a little bit too sly. Ho hum.
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Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
(Post 11663971)
There is no mad cow disease in UK herds.
Please, be my guest re history, enlighten me as to why we need a European Court of Human Rights as opposed to our own bill of rights. |
How will our exports hold up if we were to leave the EU? Genuine question as this seems to be something not mentioned by those that want us to leave. I understand certain reasons to leave, IE financial ties and being governed as a whole rather than as a seperate country.
In a local online debate recently the opposing argument to UKIP's lets leave the EU policy was how many business' would up and leave the UK. And as I live next to an airport I can only see these business' being lost locally. How do UKIP intend to keep free trade and work with Brussells in setting up specific regulations for the UK like Norway and Switzerland?. |
Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
(Post 11663971)
There is no mad cow disease in UK herds.
Please, be my guest re history, enlighten me as to why we need a European Court of Human Rights as opposed to our own bill of rights. are memberships of the two organisation synonymous? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11664256)
You might need to explain why we need a UK bill of rights instead of ECHR? The other 30 odd other countries seem to cope just fine. What makes us a special case?
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Originally Posted by The Pink Ninja
(Post 11664279)
So we have control of our own rights would be a good starting point...Rather than having people who have no interest or idea making a decision on our behalf....And just because the other 30 countries bend over and take it does`nt make it right, You can choose to be special or follow the herd ;)
These are not the rights of countries, they are yours and mine. That's the whole point. You seriously want a national government tearing those up for us, and replacing them with what they see fit? The problem isn't the ECHR it's the way OUR courts have interpreted a FEW cases. A British bill of rights would have EXACTLY the same problems. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11664286)
LOL - is this supposed to be a serious response? Or is it a Daily Mail editorial?
These are not the rights of countries, they are yours and mine. That's the whole point. You seriously want a national government tearing those up for us, and replacing them with what they see fit? The problem isn't the ECHR it's the way OUR courts have interpreted a FEW cases. A British bill of rights would have EXACTLY the same problems. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11664286)
LOL - is this supposed to be a serious response? Or is it a Daily Mail editorial?
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Originally Posted by The Pink Ninja
(Post 11664310)
Yes that`s right...The rights of the British people...So i take it by your blunt response it is JUST OUR and ONLY OUR courts that make these decisions and apply them then...The ECHR have no say in what we decide and can NOT overturn any decision we make....Just to make sure i`m reading that right?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11664256)
You might need to explain why we need a UK bill of rights instead of ECHR? The other 30 odd other countries seem to cope just fine. What makes us a special case?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11664286)
LOL - is this supposed to be a serious response? Or is it a Daily Mail editorial?
These are not the rights of countries, they are yours and mine. That's the whole point. You seriously want a national government tearing those up for us, and replacing them with what they see fit? The problem isn't the ECHR it's the way OUR courts have interpreted a FEW cases. A British bill of rights would have EXACTLY the same problems. Rights should be subject to sanction, and in my view should be judged by those subject to scrutiny. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11664326)
No luckily for us we ultimately have recourse to a higher court. That's a good thing right?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11663081)
Apart from the fact that this is all just reactionary bull****, nothing
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Quote from Simon Kilmer from the "Independent" newspaper last week.
"One of the most depressing aspects of last week's debate was that Nigel Farage was the only participant who sounded like a human being, who spoke the authentic uninhibited language of the voting public. Could that be because he's the only party leader who truly believes in what he's saying? The others come across as people who have been told what to say, and are tutored to within an inch of their joyless lives. It's like their roles are being played by second grade actors." |
Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
(Post 11664720)
Simon Kilmer
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11664733)
Simon Kelner
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