Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10043716)

It's only a civil war because the UN intervened, otherwise it would have been a brutally suppressed uprising and the world would have endorsed Gaddafism by inaction. The UK are a permanent member of the UN so we have a duty and an obligation on the world stage - it is our problem. One of the duties and obligations is to follow through on our missions, as we did in the Balkans.

If you don't like that, your position ought to be that you wish for the UK to withdraw its status of permanency from the UN or that you'd prefer the UN to not actually do anything, a la the League of Nations.

If this is to end relatively swiftly, Gadaffi needs to go, and that will be regime change. Leave Gadaffi in place; there's the potential for a long and bloody civil war and stalemate. Don't get involved in the first place? Shelve the UN.

Originally Posted by hutton_d (Post 10043730)

No we don't. We could have abstained at the vote and stated quite clearly that it was a Libyan issue. The Arab countries wanted the no-fly zone. Where are their planes? Where are their armed forces?

As I said, we have no reason to be there. Out asap.

Dave

Originally Posted by hutton_d (Post 10043730)

No we don't. We could have abstained at the vote and stated quite clearly that it was a Libyan issue. The Arab countries wanted the no-fly zone. Where are their planes? Where are their armed forces?

As I said, we have no reason to be there. Out asap.

Dave

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10043769)

Well, I guess it would've been difficult for the UK to have abstained from a motion that it tabled. And the notion that the Arab League were somehow in a position to act simply isn't realistic for the reasons outlined in the first few pages of this thread. Where are their planes and armed-forces? You tell me, but apparently they should be leading this mission! The UN's raison d'être doesn't dissipate because Comet are selling less TVs. History doesn't have a pause button.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10044279)

Wel it shouldn't have tabled it then should it? :mad:

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10044279)

No idea why you keep asking me this? Can't see why we should be a permanent member as it doesn;t exactly heklp us being there. Could we be in a worse mess if we weren't a permanent member? I doubt it!

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10044376)

I'll assume by "it" you mean your homeland, the UK.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10043769)

Well, I guess it would've been difficult for the UK to have abstained from a motion that it tabled

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10043742)

If only it were a no fly zone and nothing more. It took about a week to breach the terms of the UN resolution and now it is openly talked about as regime change. Another illegal war, another UK prime minister wanting to make a name for himself.

There are plenty of civil wars going on around the globe, why did we feel the need to poke our nose into this one?

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 10045728)

You are absolutely right about the breaches of the UN resolution.

These world politicians have become too self important for our and their own good!

Les

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 10045564)

read this and thought of you F1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-exit-strategy

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10045744)

That about sums up my feelings 100%.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10045755)

But he's a journalist, f1, and the Guardian are part of the media. ;)

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 10045564)

read this and thought of you F1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-exit-strategy

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 10047373)

I did mention some time ago that they should nominate him as a criminal guilty of genocide and that he should appear before an international court accused of murdering his own people.

I think that rather than kill him which leaves the allies open to accusation of illegal acts, they should somehow arrest him as difficult as that might be.

Les

Originally Posted by Ant (Post 10197483)

i hope it's soon i was reading twitter before going to bed and seen it was kicking off so come back downstairs to watch sky news :lol1:

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10197454)

Rebels are in Green Square now - it all seems too easy. I just hope the transition's managed properly.

Originally Posted by David Lock (Post 10197507)

Yeah right :cuckoo:

Who by? Transition to what exactly - good old Western democracy?

Just hang on a few years and see what a tribal/civil way has to offer aside from a load of dead Libyans. You ain't seen nothing yet (sadly).

dl

Originally Posted by David Lock (Post 10197507)

Yeah right :cuckoo:

Who by? Transition to what exactly - good old Western democracy?

Just hang on a few years and see what a tribal/civil way has to offer aside from a load of dead Libyans. You ain't seen nothing yet (sadly).

dl

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10197516)

Don't be such a pessimist. Look at Iraq - peaceful, stable, a world leading economy and soon to be one of the top holiday destinations in the world. ;) :thumb:

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10197523)

Best to leave murderous, brutal crime families in place, yes?

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10197535)

Like we are doing in Syria you mean?

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10197535)

None of these are our wars to fight!

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10197535)

Like we are doing in Syria you mean?

None of these are our wars to fight!