Really? You believe that?

That the Germans will refuse to sell us their cars unless we take more immigrants and we'll agree? You're crazy.

on the contrary, I don't have all the answers

but I approached this debate like I approach any other - whether that is claims of secret NASA moon bases, flat earthism, controlled demolition of the WTC or climate change

I look at the evidence, examine the claims and rhetoric, check the sources; which means reading not just what reflects what I may initially think, but also what the "other side" say/claim - and come to a reasoned view

that I am prepared to defend

I keep and open mind - but not so open my brains fall out

If the UK wants uncontrolled borders then yes, there will be free trade with the EU. As one of the main points against the EU was uncontrolled borders, then I don't see free trade will ever be achieved. There will be a tariff of some sort, how much that will be will depend on the negotiations.

Well weve hardly had any immigrants at all so far , relatively !

A bit of light relief - very funny

I saw that the other night Martin

very funny

I was going to post, but thought I might break the SNET political correctness policy

They won't refuse to sell us their cars, they will be more than happy to continue selling us their cars and the British public will continue to buy them! If tariffs come in and the price goes up for the UK, they will maybe see a small drop in sales, but the German car industry is not going to lose any sleep about it!

What car industry do we have? A couple of Japanese manufacturers who are only in the UK for access to the EU market and a couple of US manufacturers that only manufacture a couple of models each in the UK, the rest are manufactured in Germany.

We're going to be paying the same import tariffs on all foreign manufactured vehicles which account for the majority of models on the UK roads. The Japanese manufacturers and possibly Ford/Vauxhall are very likely to move manufacturing outside of the UK to keep within the EU market.

Really, German car manufacturers are not in the slightest bit worried about losing sales and couldn't care less if the UK customer has to pay more for the cars because they know we will still buy them.

You are very much over estimating Germany's need for a trade deal as they know without other trade deals we'll still be buying from them!

BMW sells to the whole word and the U.K. Is only a small country, of course they will still sell to us but without any agreements it will be plus Vat and duty on your purchase like the old days.

I voted to remain though.

Ah ok, sorry Edd

I saw you listed in the poll as an outer - I apologise

Did you change your mind, if so what swung it for you

Presumably costs BMW quite a lot more too,

They must have a completely different production lines etc

Didn't lancia simply pull out the UK, in the 90's, a decision I can't believe they would have taken if we drove on the right

Drove a newish Lancia recenty in Italy , I'm sure it was Japanese in everything but the badge

win or lose take it on the chin, at least you had your say either way, just how democratic would it of been to all 600 odd mp's to decide for us, 600 odd dictating what happens to 46million on something this important is not my defenition of democracy, the people where asked to vote and vote we did, and if your side lost hard **** deal with it

but that actually is our definition of democracy

Parliament is soverign

Why don't we adopt an Australian points based immigration system !



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7107256.html

immigration should be made simple anyone is welcome providing they can answer a few questions
1 do you have enough monies to support yourself for 12 months
if no go home
if yes welcome but sign her to say you will go home after 12months if you have not found a job
2 no benefits work related or income support for 4 years (pay in before you get any out)
3 you can come here with no monie if you have a company to sponsor you or family to finance you 12months job seeking
4 if you can't read speak or write english go home
5 no criminal record of any kind (proof needed)
no matter what country you hail from all the above rules apply, how difficult does it need to be :thumb:

4, Would you advocate beating them until they speak da proper English , like we would in their own countries LOL



Think youll find the vast majority the troublesome newcomers pass that lot with flying colours - which of course is what worries your type

Mass protests in Westminster now.

We won't be leaving the Eu any time soon. Referendum or not...

wouldnt need to they would fail 1 2 3 5
how many have got 23k in their back pocket lol
if they had they would be on a speed boat from france
it wasn't ment to appear racist just fair i have always said anyone should be allowed to live anywhere so long as they can suppoert themselves until they find a job, and not be a burden on the taxpayers of the country they are moving to, i for one would love to move to canada but because of medical reasons and my disabled son they would never want us as a family. we can afford to sell up and buy somewhere there and support ourselves until i found a job, but would be a medical burden to canada so the wouldn't take us, i accept that as i wouldnt want other people to pay for my sons care

you mean it would be too expensive I presume* , why would they specify no disabled ?

no not to expencive at all 260k in english gets you a nice house in canada
but the private medical insurance for being diabetic and autistic would be unaffordable on the wage i would get, plus the company i wanted to work for would have to proove i could do the job better than a canadian

But that is not far off what we have at the moment (I fully accept not fully)

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/be...s-a-jobseeker/

Read it madscoob

Essentially you have to be actively looking for work - or in work and paying taxes etc etc

To maintain your right residency/benefit rights

Does anyone know the date of the impending Osborne £30bn emergency punishment budget?

Over 17 million of us not in Westminster disagree.

These 18-24 year olds should have got off their ass and voted in numbers,maybe they would have got the vote they wanted,the old age managed it,higher turn out.
Now they sulking again.Accept you lost and move on.

Well prob in the autumn after the election

Osborn is giving that ****ty stick to his successor



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36647006

"Tax rises and spending cuts will be needed to deal with the "shock" to the UK economy caused by leaving the EU, Chancellor George Osborne has said.

He said such decisions would be taken by the next prime minister, adding that his pre-referendum warnings "have started to be borne out by events".

Meanwhile Forage said in the EU parliament "you are not laughing now"

Well quite

But interesting that Warren and his crew vowed to contest an IN vote

Based on the website crashing and a 2 day amnesty being given

It was thought to benefit just that age range

Democracy eh,

:lol1: With all the doom and gloom around, this comment has brightened my evening considerably

Having watched that exchange earlier I can't help but feel the best place for Nigel Farage is as far away from any negotiations as possible. The last thing we need is someone like that representing the UK.

Funny how today's better news hasn't made the headlines - http://www.wsj.com/articles/global-m...out-1467099488 Anyone would think the media had an agenda :lol1: