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a question to all you cossie tuners.
mate of mine has just run in his low comp bottom end at 10 psi,he has a 4x4 saph. the mods he has are -31 actuator, greens, stage 2 chip(unknown) t35 turbo (just fitted this week) full scorpion exhaust, he has also got all the alloy breather stuff and header tank,swirl pots etc. his engine was built by A1 (the ones with the fast white focus) i have never heard of them but i am sure you lot will have. with these mods, what is a safe amount of power to run and which chip is the one he should go for so he doesn't blow it up again?????? cheers |
Dingy, top post. I couldn't agree with you more mate. I think that that was enough to put this whole cossie 'v' scoob argument to bed.
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johny gav
a question to all you cossie tuners. mate of mine has just run in his low comp bottom end at 10 psi,he has a 4x4 saph. the mods he has are -31 actuator, greens, stage 2 chip(unknown) t35 turbo (just fitted this week) full scorpion exhaust, he has also got all the alloy breather stuff and header tank,swirl pots etc. his engine was built by A1 (the ones with the fast white focus) i have never heard of them but i am sure you lot will have. with these mods, what is a safe amount of power to run and which chip is the one he should go for so he doesn't blow it up again?????? cheers johny gav you are having laugh 10 psi low com :eek: more like 26psi I don't know why he went for low compression on the greens(803's) as there is no need, normal compression would have been alright tobe honest even if it peaked 27psi and held 24psi. I use to run this spec many yrs ago the spec i had, t35/ A R 63, 803's injectors(darkgreens), standard head and cams, standard comp 8:1 , group a gasket (wire ringed),only mod to engine was lightened and balance, Level 8 ecu,baby pectal board, Turbosystems chip,3 bar map, -31 act, escort cossie I/C modded to fit 3dr, the guy you are on about he is called Steve Scott, one hell of a good guy ;)and a good driver, must add his Focus/Escort are proper car's |
Greens 803's ,very very safe 22psi or less , safe 23psi , holding 24psi on limits fuel supply (Duty cycle)
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marco polo-he is running 10psi for running in only, he is now looking at getting a chip from A1(steve).
he got it low comp so if he wanted more later he wouldn't need to strip the engine again. thanks p.s. what sort of power are you looking at with greens(803,s)running 23 psi ??? [Edited by jonny gav - 9/15/2002 2:58:34 PM] |
if he holds 23psi should make 350 @ flywheel,but personaly his is better of to wire ring his block and use a Group A gasket, i'm not a tuner but telling you from what experiance i have had form the cossie game ;)
if he is using a simaler set up that i use to have, it should be good, you can't beat the torque form a t35 than a t3, there is a big differance in torque ;) Steve Scott will use and Ahmed bayjoo chip,he does have a bit safty in his chips, Steve knows what he is doing ;) |
Dingy,
First sensible post I think I've ever seen you write!!!! Very true though.... Marco, 63 A/R on standard comp on greens? Bet that was a bit laggy! Same as my bro's old spec. Now he runs what I would consider to be the safer 7.8:1 with a much more responsive 48 AR.... |
Marco- he fitted a multi-layer head gasket , and I forgot to mention that he has a 3 bar map sensor and RS 500 size intercooler on as well :)
I was looking at the intercooler yesterday and was thinking, yes its big but with the way the pipes are positioned on it, it looks like it isn't going to be much better than the standard one in terms of cooling. Looks like the bottom cores aren’t going to be used at all (the air will find the easiest root trough) Anyone run this type of intercooler and found a noticeable difference??? |
Richard
Tobe honest it wasn't that laggy as i was running normal compression, may be a bit laggyer than a 48 AR , but you see the only promblem with a 48 AR runs out of steam to quick. The powerband with a T35 with a 48 AR is 2000rpm - 5500rpm max althoug the engine can rev more ! but the engine has reached it's peak power @ 5500 rpm so if you rev your engine more than 5500rpm you are of your power band. a T35 with a 63 AR the powerband is 3000rmp-6500rpm max and the 63 makes more torque than the 48 ;) when i was using my green set up yrs ago it's was on 98 ron and the fuel was a lot better, than it is now , so this is why some tuners lower the compression on the greens now for safty (97 ron) and with my greens engine was an old spec type , like wire ring and a Group A gasket, but for it's time it was the lastest conversion, level 8 ecu,baby pectal, 3 bar mapp, -31act TS chip, lightend and balanced and loads of advance ;) holding 24 psi,Escort cossie I/C, standard cams, standard comp,standard engine The car made at the wheels and @ High Tec rolling road with this set up and this is no joke (2wd)(98 ron) 324bhp 5300 rpm with 310ftlbs torque 4600 rpm on the greens (not grey's) Jonny your m8 is using the WRC metal gasket that is best out there ;) he is going the right way the Rs500 sized I/C is no better that a 4wd one,but its ok for this set up but he will need to upgrade if he wants 400+bhp afterwards he will have to use a Genuine Rs500 I/C that is the best for the cossie, for 400+bhp you need T35/63AR ,bigger injectors grey's,level 8 ECU, baby pectal board, port polished head, cams, longstudded head bolts, WRC gasket lightend and balanced bottom end,and water injection into the engine not on I/C you don't need it on the Rs500 I/C it has been tested and makes no difference, you don't need pistons but i would use the forged cossie one's to be extra save,Not that i have had much luck but normally they are better and have it dyno'ed , you can have a chip for it if you want but every engine runs different so it's best to have it dyno'ed, your ecu for your engine ;) oh yes don't forget your group A fuel pump, not like me :( this is only a quote you can use a T04/0E aswell for 400+bhp have fun :D Marco Rs may the boost be with you always :D |
About this scooby and cossie thing, personaly i don't like the look of scoobs, but that don't mean i hate them,i do think that they are a good car's and they have proved their worthyness, In WRC, and have won it a few times ;)
The only Scoob i would own ever is a 22b, I don't care about it's power, don't care about it's hadling, it just looks the bollox and it's unique, proper car, so don't try and convionce me about the others ;) |
Definitely go for the cossie piston's (as used by tuned subaru's)etc they are much better than the mahle ones cost abit more though.
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Cossie they only cost more if you buy from GGR....
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Dingy have you got happy shopper Harvey Gibbs (badly)machined Mahle ones in your own car ?. The only reason anyone uses him is because of Bayjoo not for his budget rebuilds. Still I am sure a man with your technical knowledge (very little seeing as how easily I caught you out with specs )would only get a proper job done.
I see you goto to the pod I will make a point of blowing your bucket away. You are a typical know it all spouting cack about fuel injector rates and not realising that the manifold would be the limiting factor above 420 on a 4by4 due to its compact design. I am glad you didn't rebuild my engine. More crap spouted about oil breathers the limiting factor is nothing to do with the tubes diameter. The limiting factor is the size of the ports on the block. Maybe your getting oil in your intercooler because your rings are shot or you have a top quality breather that breathes from the cam cover. Run along budget boy |
some b@stard threw some sort of acid all over my mates cossie last night!!!
its burned through the paint in to the metal and melted all the plastics on the car. the insurance company have taken his car away today! he thinks it was his ex's boyfriend! why do some people do things like that??? fcuking w@nkers |
Thats not good@Johnny :(
But whilst reading that i thought it said it was his ex boyfriend! (then i moved my mouse pointer ;)) Tony:D |
Whoever did that is nothing but a cowardly goat blowing to$$er
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Cossie,
4x4 manifold the limiting factor on a cossie above 420? That's funny, cos Martin Hadland has one on his engine! |
Richard on the 4 by 4 saff the alterations to the exhaust and manifold is not much good passed 420bhp as it can't flow enough gas due to being a more compact design than the 2wd etc which helps to elimanate lag
Dingy spots rubbish about injector flow rates utter cack about oil breathers. I expectDingy thinks Bailey swirl pots work too. LOL [Edited by co55ie - 9/19/2002 10:34:46 PM] |
Cossie,
Dingy's car had more BHP than yours to start with, hes doing something new and i doubt that you would get your car anywhere near his on a 1/4mile as you dont even know what he runs (id ask him if i were you but it does have a blue oval badge! ;)) Tony:D |
And I repeat, everybody thinks the 4x4 manifold is no good, but Martin runs one on his engine (now Sean Bicknell's) which is good for 520 bhp. That car is also the quickest recorded cossie in the country standing quarter, and top speed....... so not sure your point about the manifold?
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And you do not know what I run I totally dupped him with spec's to see if he knew his stuff.
For track day purposes I have 500 bhp plus 4wd , fair play to the guy if he can beat me. |
Are you going to just ignore RichPon's Point about the 4x4 manifold Co55ie?
Rich you missed a great day at Brands hatch on tuesday, why didn't you call me you plonker? |
lee.
Thank you. Sorry mate, I had the missus staying with me over a long weekend, and the house to myself.... aiiiiiiii ;)!!!! |
Cossie, your the one claiming 445bhp from 4 greys which is impossible.
I know the GGR breather doesn't work, i know mine does. Tested on same car with same spec, so think what you like, i know the muppets that work at GGR and wouldn't take my car there. LOL @ budget boy.... New block, New pistons, Arrows Rods, GRP A big Valve Head, One off Excaust manifold, New Turbo, one off inlet....4 1000cc injectors.... You must be so talented if you thing you are gonna beat an escort with the old engine in, let alone the new one.... I have hammered 500bhp cossies on track and at POD with a mear 320@ wheels so :p |
Good then will we will be able to have some fun dingy in a good natured manner I hope when I run my shed at the pod.
What problems did you find with the oil breather ? I have a 3 port set up and would think that the limiting factor was really the size of the ports on either side of the block not the hoses used ? . Most of the oil breather set ups I have seen have been totally naff and mostly for show especially the ones that breath from the cam cover. I even saw a setup that attempted to drain above the oil level. My car was hardly built on a budget either 200 black as is standard cosworth pistons knife edged cranks etc etc. Fair enough if you have had bad experiences with GGR I am sure someone could say that of most companies. They seem to have made a good job on my car and have never really heard anything drastically bad about them. Maybe you could enlighten me. [Edited by co55ie - 9/20/2002 3:21:16 PM] |
co55ie - I wouldn't bother too much about what Dingy says about tuners, he hardly has a good word to say about any of them. Most of them are w**k according to him, that's right isn't it Dingy?
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Yeah, but Redkop, I think Dingy might actually have a point!
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I see you goto to the pod I will make a point of blowing your bucket away. Good then will we will be able to have some fun dingy in a good natured manner I hope when I run my shed at the pod. More crap spouted about oil breathers the limiting factor is nothing to do with the tubes diameter You some kinda muppet?! ;) :D |
Not at all gregger's Dingy was and is totally unaware of the spec of my car and yet rattled off some rubbish about his is better and faster.
I threw in some stuff deliberately to check his knowledge out and he messed up not me. My engine spec is as follows if you are really interested Dingy 200 block cossie low comp pistons fully balanced internals etc eight 803,s group a head RS500 intercooler T4 turbo lairy cams wrc gasket reworked manifold Koni dampers eibach springs poly bushes all round front and rear strut braces Quaife transmission internals etc etc etc etc |
.... and Pectel I presume?
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