Richie1

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


At least RichardPON picked up what I meant even if you didnt -


Some Cossies can be beaten by some Scoobies yet the same Cossies can then go on and beat the same Scoobies..... The difference ??

Figure it out.


Its not uncommon for ppl to say their car is better than the other car when both cars are good at what they do, its human nature but the car itself is not the be all and end all of it so get over it.....






[Edited by Richie1 - 9/1/2002 12:07:43 PM]

ish

just out of interest what are the best times for a scooby modded in the uk :-

0-60
0-100
1/4 mile
top speed

anyone??????????????????????

[Edited by ish - 9/1/2002 9:07:09 PM]

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

why is it when the sierra cossie owners come on all they can talk about is quater mile times???

maybe its cos thats all they have got.

no handling!

no style!

no reliability(the only cars that blew up at the ten of the best were cossies)

i suppose you have to have some way of justifying spending all that money on old sierras

gets a bit boring after a while"mine can do it in 13.3"

yawn!



[Edited by jonny gav - 9/2/2002 6:18:59 PM]

ish

from what i read that scooby in the video WASN'T standard!!

so anyone gonna post some times for the scoobys.

why is it that cossie owners will rate a good scooby (like craig's) but scoobie owner will never give credit to a good cossie???

[Edited by ish - 9/2/2002 11:14:21 PM]

co55ie

7.6 blimey that is rapid.
Seems like nobody is going to post times for UK jap cars. ( I wonder why)
Regards to the post above what is the point of comparing a supra its got a much bigger engine but as is common knowledge the cossie dinosaur is still a match for it.
Seems that the people who post facts are just answered by nonsense. A supra or 1380bhp skyline is quicker where are all these UK cars hiding ?
Strange after all of the comments regarding the GT porsche that that was whopped by a cossie round the track. LOL It seems that the cossie owners have won this debate.

[Edited by co55ie - 9/3/2002 2:01:49 PM]

Redkop

Quote:

I'll admit to having a soft spot for the Escort Cosworth. It is one of the classics and I know that with a few mods and tweaks to the engine and the suspension they can be made to go quite quickly and handle pretty well but the styling is getting a bit dated now

ROFLMAO...that is the funniest thing I have read in ages

An Esc Cos will turn a head any day ahead of a Scoob.

[Edited by Redkop - 9/3/2002 3:37:10 PM]

co55ie

Lol at cossie styling comments 3 door sierra still looks as hard as nails saff can look good a stealth car and the scort cossie looks the bollocks. come on a subaru hardly looks good and is very early 90's now and the game has now moved on from them to cars like the RS focus etc. Look at the bug eyed scooby models come on they look pants and if they didn't perform reasonably well who would buy one nobody.
The whole point of these cars is supposed to be performance not looks anyway.
Why can't anybody post some decent jap 0 - 100 times Strange that the cossie beat a modified Porsche GT2 driven by Tiff Needel Yes the Porsche was modified too. End of that arguement.
Lol at some of the scooby owners comments it seems they wish they had cossie power too !!!!!!!!!


[Edited by co55ie - 9/3/2002 4:01:02 PM]

Redkop

CT I agree with you 100% - have replied earlier today to another post saying exactly the same thing!
What I would like to know is - why do Scoob people feel the need to start up these threads on Scoobynet...then start moaning and whingeing when Cossie people respond

Look at the title of this thread for a start
Click Here


[Edited by Redkop - 9/3/2002 7:51:36 PM]

rich a

cossie jo...

uk300 ppp'd with extra's

spose you gonna take the **** now,end of the day don't really care what you lot say as i like my car just the same as you like yours,spose if i chucked same amount of money at my car as some of you lot i'd have a huge bhp,but i'm not really interested as my insurance company is rich enough already.

i like most cars and full respect to peeps out there getting 8secs 1/4...wish mine did...but i just don't understand why people who are mad about cars keep having to bitch to each other about who's car is faster,as i said i like mine you like yours

[Edited by rich a - 9/3/2002 9:10:50 PM]

Richie1

Know it wont cause ppl are asses when it comes to "mines better than yours" crap.


You chose what you have for a reason. Why ppl then feel the need to defend it so strongly is beyond me now. If you felt that way then why get the damn thing in the first place.


Be content with what you have and for the reasons you bought it and dont give 2 ***** what anyone else thinks about it..... You'll be a lot happier.


Chill out a bit



[Edited by Richie1 - 9/4/2002 10:11:39 PM]

co55ie

LOL at dodgy escort MK1 and Mk2 the most succesful rally car ever made the daddy the RS2000. Lotus cortina's Think about what your putting down before you slate it. How can anyone seriously think they are making a sensible point when cars like RS500's are being called sheds. The RS2000 and cosworth cars are legends motoring icons something that mitsubishi and subaru can aspire too and that's about all.
7.6 to 100 mph show me a scoob evo or any other two litre car that can get anywhere near that.
Seems like some people on here want to argue black is white.
The cossie is still the king dream on scooby owners.
Post some hard facts about your all conquering super fast untouchable cars and maybe people will believe you but for the moment stop kidding yourselves.

[Edited by co55ie - 9/4/2002 11:55:49 PM]

martin_reyland

cosworth 427, the 513 hp escort you mention IS my car! i have sold that engine and whilst the new unit is being built i have fitted a lightly modded std unit to use for now.
I too would like to see a camaro on the track, perhaps you can arrange this.........
heres the best figures for my car:
0-60 3.38
0-100 7.62
1/4 11.2 @ 129
top speed 188.68
all of these will be beaten with the new engine.
I had a look at the camaro ss that you were giving figures for, i know it has no forced induction or gas but it is still a 7 litre.
Having a 'live axle' fitted will help with traction for 1/4 mile use but its not gona cut it on the circuit.
So to sum up, camaro - big heavy bus that when fitted with a big power donkey goes fast in a straight line, escort - multi purpose tool.
Here's an idea why dont we put a camaro down a rally stage, ha ha ha



[Edited by martin_reyland - 9/5/2002 10:04:53 AM]

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

second puberty,yes

p.s. when you put rsoc....eek! you forgot to put the G in front of the eek!





[Edited by jonny gav - 9/5/2002 11:04:16 AM]

T16GER

Did I actually say that getting information out of books was a bad thing?? Isn't that how we all get a percentage of our info.. It was only a question after all....

And as I said, I think that you'll find that the people you are talking about, do actually do more than just bolt the head on and off an existing engine...They spend time thinking about how they can get the best out of the engine and getting their data in a scientific way as well...so I don't somehow think that I am the one who needs to get a reality check...

(edited cause I can't spell...)


[Edited by T16GER - 9/5/2002 10:39:48 PM]

Cosworth427

T16GER

I have no problems with people who enjoy and work on their own cars. But what I DO have a problem with is that some people here dismiss other cars as crap. For instance the comments on the Camaro for being a...

"big heavy bus that when fitted to big power donkey only goes fast in a straight line"

"you will never get me at accept that a camaro is anything other than a drag strip wonder.............."

These were the "knowledgeable" comments from the owner of the so called fastest Cossie in the world.

And now from the even more "knowledgeable" co55ie...

"Whatever way you look at it the cossie has more potential out of the box the jap stuff is better but start fiddling sorry but there really isn't much contest the cossies have em licked from whatever angle you stand."

These comments remind me of 14 year olds who haven't even got a provisional license. And I've seen crap comments such as these in other message boards on different cars.

It is ignorance such as this which makes me come on here and write the posts I submit. I don't come here to make friends, but I don't come here to ask for trouble, but it is clear that some of these individuals just ask for it anyhow.

If comments made about cars are just technical or opinion, they should be based on FACTS not assumption. (That goes to you Carlos The Jackel.)








[Edited by Cosworth427 - 9/6/2002 12:02:59 AM]

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

redmonster-in my experience of both cars(scooby and cossie)i have found the scooby to be miles ahead in reliability than the cossie.
my cossie was running stage 2 (greens and stuff) and i had nothing but trouble with it,turbos x 2(only running 20 p s i) e.c.u.fault, gearbox, headgasket(group A x 2)and difs x 2 all in a space of 1 year (not to mention all the other little things like water pumps etc.
the scoob to date has had nothing but service parts and upgrade parts with no reliability problems and the thing is the scoob is just as quick with a de-cat exhaust, bigger intercooler and an induction kit(no ecu mods) running 16 p s i as the cossie was at stage 2

yes the cossie block is stronger than the scoob but its all the other stuff ford bolted on to it(sierra) that makes it unreliable IMHO.

[Edited by jonny gav - 9/8/2002 12:23:32 PM]

co55ie

LOL at Cossie interior quote I have nice leather recaro's in mine thanks.
Its also funny that as soon as you try and get power out of the scooby lump in go the cossie pistons etc etc seems that scoob's end up with cossie engines too !!!!!!!!!!!! If they want them to go fast that is.

[Edited by co55ie - 9/9/2002 1:31:09 PM]

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

can anyone remember the cossie vs scooby artical in one of the "fast car" mags a while ago,i owned a cossie at the time and can remember who won it,was gutted at the time so i went and drove one of these imprezas to see what all the fuss was about!!!

made the cossie feel numb(which they are)the cossie IMHO is well out dated now and the handling is poor in comparison,thats why i got a scooby,more of a drivers car,anyone can go fast in a straight line but IMHO the real fun of driving a high powered car is the thrill of cornering at speed and knowing that the car is going to come out of the corner without any nasty suprises!

don't get me wrong i loved the cossie to bits - until i drove the impreza

i had an escort RS1600i,escort rs turbo and a fiesta rs turbo before the cossie so i am not a ford hater by any means but the impreza is streets ahead of anything ford have built in the 80's and 90's,we will wait and see what the focus cosworth is like but by then we will probably have the sti 12 or something

cossies-good engine(when running),rust buckets,poor image.
scoobies-good engine,good handling,cack interior(datsun style).

after owning both i can truly say that cossies are no where near as much fun as the impreza.

LG John

I can see this thread getting out of hand

I saw a similar article in 'Revs' magazine.....is that what your thinking about? If so Craig H and Jolly Green something or other from this site took part.

astraboy

Horse for corses though mate. My 3-door is one of about 1000 examples left in the world. A UK turbo though can be found on most big companies car lists.
You dont get exclusvity when you buy a scoob. unless its a 22b *koff* hens teeth *Koffkoff*
astraboy.

LG John

Yeah but your just a wee boy....look at your login name for ****-sake





<whisper> trying to muppetise this thread for its own good!

RichardPON

This could well get out of hand....

Astraboy - 3dr a bit different though. If someone gave me the choice between my saff cos and a P1, it's the P1 every day and twice on Sundays.

co55ie

If cossies dont handle then why do they still beat evo's and scoobies round the track. ? Have allok at the ten of the best including that norris pile of junk.
In a recent autocar test they still rated the escort cossie as the best road going rally bred car. Thing is with the cossies in standard form they aern't really a match for the modern jap cars but get a spanner to them and they are still untouchable.

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Yeah get a spanner to em! thats what i say too cos most of the time cossies are off the road cos bits fall off em
But as we have been though all this before that cossies do have race bred engines and those engines were designed to last oh, all of about 1000miles before it needed rebuilding this is one of the reasons they detuned it to start with (and who could afford the insurance in the 80's?! )
Also what has been said is that subaru's engines are not good for big boost, so instead the tuners out there have got it together and worked a way round this
There is in australia a company that posted on here (well the old board) about running an MY01 WRX (215bhp car) for a customer, the point that was made is that the car shouldnt run over 20psi, the car itself needed 600hp, this was achieved with the car running at 16/17psi, now, same power in a cossie would make.... oh 45psi?
Now getting this power isnt going to be cheap and they didnt say how much it cost except that it was expensive, so for the same power out of a cossie 4x4 its probably going to cost the same to get the car up to that standard as virtually all the parts on the car will need replacing.
Tuning is never cheap, something all decent cossie owners know!

Tony

AndiThompson

Cossie's are lovely for what they are, but I'd like a car that looked nice, handled well, and had some power to boot thanks

Redkop

Just shows how much you lot all know. You keep saying 'cossies' as if all are the same....there's 7 different types!!! All different, so you can't generalise an opinion.

You've got the Sapph 2wd & 4wd, the Sierra 3dr, the RS500, the T35 Escort Cos, the T25 Escort Cos [both 4 x 4 with superb handling]and of course the RS200

At the end of the day, Scoobs will never hold a candle to the heritage and respect the Cosworths have earned.

[Edited by Redkop - 8/29/2002 1:48:30 AM]

Claudius

If you wish to make further progress, there is something called Lancer Evolution out there . . .

Hugh_de_Payen

after owning both i can truly say that cossies are no where near as much fun as the impreza.

Add 'in your opinion' after that and nobody can argue. The thing is, people like different things. For some, the challenge of cornering fast in a car that doesn't corner like its on rails is more 'fun' than pushing a car into a corner when you know it'll take it easily. It's certainly more skillful.

Some folk get their kicks from a car that pulls well from 80 upwards, some prefer cars that pull well from 0-60. Then again, whilst performance can enhance the fun a car provides, it's by no means essential.

Offer me a 500BHP+ Supra and immunity for prosecution for the weekend and I'll turn it down in favour of a beaten up MkII 1600 Escort and a couple of miles of dirt track for the weekend. That latter would, IMHO, be far more fun.

super_si

Cossie are the only car that holds it value

Brun

Only the good ones, and there aren't many of them left!