wrx-ian

Thinking of replacing the scoob sometime in the next year. Quite like the look of both of these cars anyone got one??? What are they like day to day to run??

AdamR

Havent owned an S2000 but have driven them. It was dissapointing. Unless you rev the nuts out of them, they are gutless. It was comfortable and nice to drive exept for excessive road noise. Joys of a convertable i suppose! But thats just my opinion. Your best bet is just to drive the two and see which you prefer.

Mew

if it was me, id choose the rx8 for being practical because i would need the boot and 4 seats....

however if not then prob the s2000,

performance wise both are great cars i think, both high rev engines so you are supposed to rev high to beat others in corners (other will be shifting up gear when you dont have to)

nickwrxstiV2

I own an S2000. I went for a 320bhp version 2 STI classic to my S. Haven't looked back since. Brilliant build quality, totally bombproof engine. It absolutely sings at 9krpm, especially with an induction kit on it! Very comfortable, although the cabin is pretty small. Yes, it is noisy, but you soon get used to that. Power delivery is after 6krpm but I like it. You can tootle around off VTEC, then screw the nuts off it when you want to. Brilliant handling, although can be very twitchy in the wet with it being RWD.

My advice would be to go and test drive both, see what you like. I like the RX8s, but there are lots of reports of poor mpg and they use a lot of oil.

Cyberevo

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S2K over the RX any day of the week...

LG John

Owned and S2000 and been in an RX8 - for me it's a no brainer. The S2000 seemed a far more special car. Lol at gutless.....learn to drive before you start I replaced the S2000 with a 315bhp classic STI and whilst quicker it didn't make the S2000 seem slow by any means

markymark34

no contest s2000 any day of the week.
Fantastic cars.
amazing engine.

Mark

f1_fan

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Ah the old S2000 is gutless comment. Learn to drive it properly and it is far from gutless. Best 'budget' convertible on the market by a long way. Great build quality, fantatsic engine, lovely gear change, great looks even with the roof up and superb handling. Even the servicing isn't expensive. Go for it.

markymark34

agree 100% even when your below 6000rpm its not gutless. Just similar to a normal 2L N/A engine.

Shark Man

The problem is getting it to 6000rpm

From a driver's point of view, I'd still opt for an s2000 over a RX8 though. The RX8 was very underwhelming (230ps), over-leggy gearing doesn't help and the feedback from the steering is quite numb too (although comming from a scooby that shouldn't be an issue ).

Both need a decent supercharger strapped on IMO

Flatcapdriver

The gutless comments relating to the S2000 relate the appalling lack of torque which despite the owners' reluctance to acknowledge is an issue as an everyday driver.

I managed nearly 90k in mine before it finally drove me mental, low down torque is a requirement in town where revving the nuts of it to gain forward momentum is not an option, however the standard response from owners is an attempt at patronising those who don't like the car.

The RX8 is slightly more practical but drinks oil, again needs revving all the time and I'm still not convinced that they've sorted the rotor tips out despite assertions to the contrary - bolt a turbocharger on it like the first one.

Personally, I'd recommend neither but its going to be your decision at the end of the day and if it makes you happy then that's all that matters.

f1_fan

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No, the simple fact is you don't like revving it up in town whereas I don't give a toss if I have to rev it up . And that is that. Doesn't make it a good or bad car just because you have to rev it.

BTW 90K - can't have been that much of an issue then can it???

MooseRacer

Absolute horse****. There are very few (it was one at last count) n/a 2.0 cars which produce more torque.

Revving an S2K to 9000 is a joy, an enjoyable action. It's not like wringing an Escort's neck to 5.5k.

It's what the car is designed to do. It will do it every day for years to come (and won't drink oil while it's at it).

Your response is pathetic, and I'm presuming it's an attempt at trolling - low down toruqe in town? Yep, just what an open top sports car needs....,..

Bulldogge

easy answer

if 2 seats are enough for you TAKE the S2000 !!! Real Fun to drive with!

if you sometimes need 4 seats.. than TAKE the RX-8 !

AdamR

Strange comment. Learn to drive? I hope i can drive as it is part of my job! I am lucky enough to drive everything from 1.1 auto metro's(best handbrake in the business! ) to porsche 911's and everything in between.

I never said i didn't like the S2K, nor did i say it was slow. Quite the opposite. It was a nice car for the few days i had it, But the lack of torque did become an issue. It was a pain having to rev it over 6000rpm to see any performance that you would associate with a sports car, which essentially what it is. Handling was top notch, maybe a tad twitchy but something you'd easily get used to. The only real thing i didnt like was the road noise but as stated before i'm sure its something you'd get used to.

You obviously took offence to what i said but at the end of the day it is my opinion. No need to get personal.

AdamR

Not wanting to start another arguement but 153lb/ft@7500rpm isnt exactly practical. They were iirc the most powerful n/a 2.0 engine in the business, but making that power at 8500+rpm is great for the track but so good for the road imo.

LG John

I wasn't getting personal but as others have mentioned the S2000 is hardly gutless if you drive it the way it was designed to be driven. To not drive it in this manner shows lack of adaptability/understanding hence my 'learn to drive' comment. I accept some people don't want to change gear to make progress and they should stick to diesels or big cc/turbo petrols. However, you say you have to rev an S2000 to get anything of a sports car experience. That IS the sports car experience! Revving and pushing a car 100% IS what sporty driving is all about. Last time I checked BTCC drivers, F1 drivers and Rally drivers aren't wafting along at 70% of the vehicles capability but rather are driving in whatever manner (gear) will give maximum progress for the conditions. To be frustrated by the S2000's lack of ability to trump along in the mid-range is kind of missing the point/experience of the car IMHO.

Maybe I'm just sick but I used to like sometimes watching a TDI nail me up an incline on a motorway as I buried the throttle in 6th. Then, when suitably motivated, I'd dump it into 3rd and go past like he was standing still. Not once did I think, 'I wish I had more grunt'. My thoughts were only ever, "am I going to be a **** and drop to 3rd and vastly exceed the speed limit or will I behave" ......guess what I usually chose

AdamR

Fair point. But MY opinion as a road car it should be drivable, especially in the midrange where it will spend 90% of its life(well, most of them will. ). Maybe i only found it gutless as i was driving an MR2 turbo every day up until the S2000(until some anus drove into the MR2) which was much more useable i guess.

I'm sure it would be hard to beat as a trackday weapon or for use as a weekend car, but for use everyday it just wouldnt do it for me.

Flatcapdriver

Your response proves my point. What is is about S2000 owners that doesn't allow them to admit their car has limitations? Revving a S2000 is a joy? Yes, it can be but its also a pain in the **** when you're on a motorway and you have to keep changing down to keep up with the soot chucker in front.

My point about driving in town is valid given the vehicle was used as an everyday vehicle but I fail to understand your point about torque/open top sports car is all about. Why not? My cars got plenty of power and revvability for when I want it and plenty of low down grunt for when I need that - and its a two seater.

It also has flaws which I'm also more than prepared to admit. Shame others can't.

z4mr

Flatcapdriver. Nice car you got there

WRX Ian why don't you try for a z4r 2.5l if its the older version then get it remapped.

pps Hi Ian I think I saw your car parked next to mine today. Yours is WRX black blobeye? sorry for the off topic.

Fabioso

Sorry but a Nissan Micra 1.2 is gutless. How a 240 bhp S2000 can be described as gutless is beyond me...... especially when it does 60 in about 5.5 seconds and under 15 to a tonne.

We can all respect peoples opinions here but when you use a sentence which is incorrect then you shouldn't be surprised when you get a number of people disagreeing with your "opinion". I mean you either get VTEC or you don't.

A motorbike revs alot higher than an S2000, is a 1 litre sportsbike gutless ?? Does it lack a bit of poke? I think not......

Flatcapdriver

More joined up thinking by the S2000 appreciation society. Keep 'em coming...

rallycol

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For sale S2000

Fabioso

Well it must be something to be with it being a good car perhaps.

Hey we can all do the sarcastic lines with a smiley............but then again I don't have to becos I am confident with the view I am supporting.

f1_fan

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LOL at where this thread is going.

I love the S2000 and no amount of telling me I shouldn't will change that. Same as no amount of telling you you should will.

Maybe it has limitations for some, but limitations are not facts, just perceptions.

It ain't perfect, but then what is?

rallycol

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No this is genuine, my wife is selling her S2000 2003 ,30k miles, 2007 wheels as new tyres ,in the fast colour Formula Red ,black leather,FHSH,private plate S200U,fantastic car !!!!!!!!

what would scooby do

VTEC = **** end of

It was designed for economy not performance

Rover VVC was more advanced 10+ years ago

RX8 is pony also..

I've owned a civic type-r (not good)

real world grunt is what you all need,not a big HP at 9k rpm

f1_fan

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You were doing well until the third sentence

what would scooby do

Shame it's true, one revved to 11k then blew up lots of BHP and lots of shrapnel...

Shark Man

Heaven would be a S2000 with a 3.2 V6 out of a NSX; Some low torque AND high rev power

Then again may as well save the bother and just have the NSX instead

(Still needs a supercharger though )