AUDI TO HEAD OFF IMPREZAS AND EVOS
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AUDI TO HEAD OFF IMPREZAS AND EVOS
Company hopes 330 bhp S3 will see off rice-burners
Audi next S3 won't be called an RS3, according to this week's Autocar, but only the badge is affected: the plan is to still to produce a seriously powerful hatch.
The magazine's sources suggest that, instead of the old turbocharged four-pot 223 bhp engine in the current model (right), the next S3 will sport a narrow-angle V6 offering as much as 330 bhp.
The reports speculates that Audi's radical uprating of the car is prompted by competition from affordable and fast cars such as the Subaru Impreza and the Mitsubishi Evo, both of which are quicker and more agile than the S3.
Asa result, in addition to a new powerplant, the new car will also get a stiffer chassis -- 80 per cent stiffer, according to the report -- and an upgraded 4WD system. The system can send up to 100 per cent of the drive to the rear wheels in extreme conditions apparently.
Audi is reported as saying that the new transmission is quicker to engage and is more sensitive to road conditions.
The car is due out early in 2006.
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Us scoobys onwers had better be ready
Audi next S3 won't be called an RS3, according to this week's Autocar, but only the badge is affected: the plan is to still to produce a seriously powerful hatch.
The magazine's sources suggest that, instead of the old turbocharged four-pot 223 bhp engine in the current model (right), the next S3 will sport a narrow-angle V6 offering as much as 330 bhp.
The reports speculates that Audi's radical uprating of the car is prompted by competition from affordable and fast cars such as the Subaru Impreza and the Mitsubishi Evo, both of which are quicker and more agile than the S3.
Asa result, in addition to a new powerplant, the new car will also get a stiffer chassis -- 80 per cent stiffer, according to the report -- and an upgraded 4WD system. The system can send up to 100 per cent of the drive to the rear wheels in extreme conditions apparently.
Audi is reported as saying that the new transmission is quicker to engage and is more sensitive to road conditions.
The car is due out early in 2006.
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09 November 2004, 06:19 PM
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I hope its far far better than the current S3 which I hated when I drove it. They'd need to sort ot the vaugue steering and lifeless but switch like brakes too.
Build quality was great though.
Maybe they should go rallying again under the Audi name if they want to capture that market.
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Build quality was great though.
Maybe they should go rallying again under the Audi name if they want to capture that market.
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09 November 2004, 06:23 PM
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i have read something else on this and it was less than 30k seen a proposed pic in yellow, might have been in evo mag cant remember, will have a look and see if i can post a link, same was said about competing with evos and subs
seen a proposed pic in yellow, might have been in evo mag cant remember, will have a look and see if i can post a link, same was said about competing with evos and subs
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Originally Posted by AllanB
Maybe they should go rallying again under the Audi name if they want to capture that market.
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09 November 2004, 06:33 PM
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From Autocar
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The most powerful, most capable – and most desirable – variant of Audi’s latest A3 has finally been granted the production green light by the German car maker’s chairman, Martin Winterkorn.
Set to receive RS3 badges, Ingolstadt’s new 350bhp rocket will bypass the traditional hot-hatch brigade and land directly in the territory occupied today by the Subaru Impreza WRX, at last providing Europe with a worthy rival to the iconic rally-bred Japanese saloon.
Engineers at Audi’s Sport division – the same team responsible for the ’Bahn-storming RS4 and RS6 – have already started developing the new car, which is planned to reach the UK by mid-2006 in hatchback and Sportback estate bodystyles, as previewed by our exclusive images.
But before the new £35,000 über-hatch lands here, Audi plans to unleash a milder S3 model running a naturally aspirated 280bhp version of the same 3.2-litre V6. Aimed at cars like the Ford Focus RS, Alfa Romeo 147 GTA and Volkswagen Golf R32, it will arrive in 2005 priced around £26,000, according to well-placed Audi sources.
Yet while the S3’s launch is eagerly anticipated on these shores, it is the more aggressive RS3 that will make the bigger headlines. With a state-of-the-art turbocharged powerplant and an advanced four-wheel drive system capable of constantly varying the drive to each axle, it promises to deliver supercar-slaying performance for the price of a well-kitted executive car.
Recent hot Audi models have been big on stealth, with little more than a handful of styling modifications hinting at the huge performance that lies beneath. The RS3 continues this tradition with an inherently muscular but hardly flamboyant appearance that’s dominated by Audi’s imposing new shield grille positioned up front, as seen on the recently introduced A6 and A8 W12. It will quickly become a trademark of all Audi models.
Among the changes over the standard A3 are a deep spoiler with a trio of large air ducts, more heavily flared wheelarches, wider side sills under the doors, an additional spoiler atop the rear hatch and an extended rear bumper that’s designed to draw air more cleanly from underneath.
Insiders say that these styling modifications – whose aerodynamic characteristics have been carefully honed in Audi’s own wind tunnel – might be subtle, but they all serve a particular purpose, rather than merely enhancing the looks.
These purposeful looks are backed up by the sort of firepower rarely seen in the hatchback ranks. Under the RS3’s bonnet lurks a heavily refettled version of the Volkswagen Group’s 24-valve 3.2-litre V6, as used in today’s top-of-the-range A3.
Mounted transversely, the compact 15-degree unit has been upgraded with the inclusion of Audi’s advanced FSI (fuel stratified injection) direct-injection tech and, in keeping with earlier models to wear the illustrious RS badge, it is also turbocharged.
The result is an appreciable 100bhp jump over the output of today’s 3.2-litre V6, highly placed Audi sources confirm. They hint the upcoming RS3 is likely to serve a tantalising 350bhp in final production trim. With a target weight of 1560kg, this means a power-to-weight ratio close to 225bhp per tonne – an impressive 30bhp per tonne more than Subaru claims for the Japanese-spec Impreza WRX STi. Torque should also be prodigious, swelling from an already impressive 250lb ft to more than 335lb ft.
It won’t only be the engine that places the RS3 at the top of enthusiasts’ shopping lists. In keeping with recent fast Audis, the new car will adopt a six-speed DSG dual-clutch gearbox with a paddle nudge-shift manual over-ride.
Drive is channeled through an electronically controlled multi-plate Haldex clutch. It apportions power to all four wheels, continuously alternating the split from zero to 100 per cent for optimum traction regardless of the conditions.
With the advanced driveline dishing up such high levels of traction, acceleration should be at least as good as that of the giant-killing Impreza WRX. It’s still too early for final figures, but an Autocar engineering source privy to early technical data revealed the RS3 will receive a 3.6:1 final drive ratio and should run 0-60mph in under 5.0sec – almost 2.0sec faster than today’s fastest A3.
Top speed will be limited to 155mph, like all of Audi’s high-end models. Without the restrictor, the true figure is said to be closer to 170mph.
Forming the basis of the RS3 is a reworked version of the Volkswagen Group’s versatile PQ35 Golf chassis. Suspension geometry remains the same as lesser A3 models, but engineers have introduced new levels of tautness to the MacPherson strut (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension.
The changes are predictable and in line with recent hot Audi models: stiffer springs and dampers, less compliant bushes, beefed up anti-roll bars, reduced ride height and widened tracks. Underneath the flared wheelarches lurk purposeful 235/40 profile tyres on 18-inch alloys.
The A3’s electrically assisted power steering will be carried over without any significant changes, but the brakes will be heavily upgraded with a similar disc and caliper pairing as that seen on the discontinued RS4, according to Autocar sources.
Inside, the RS3 will pamper its occupants with a high level of luxury by traditional fast hatchback standards. Among the items prospective buyers can expect are heavily contoured Recaro sports seats offering a higher level of lateral support than standard A3 pews, alongside typical RS elements such as unique instrument graphics and subtle changes in the dashboard trim.
Our artist’s impressions show a three-door RS3 hatchback, but this summer’s new five-door Sportback estate will also come in hot RS3 form (right). The Sportback range will be unveiled this summer and go on sale in the autumn. It’s designed more as a lifestyle estate than an out-and-out load lugger. However, with a boot of around 400 litres, it offers an extra 50 litres of space compared to the hatchback. It shares a wheelbase with the three-door, but adds an extra 100mm in the rear overhang.
The S3 hot hatch will be assembled at Audi’s sprawling Ingolstadt headquarters, while the more potent RS3 will be built at the firm’s increasingly active Sport division base in Neckarsulm – the same facility responsible for the assembly of the RS4 and RS6 and a limited run of Lamborghini Gallardos.
Production volumes aren’t yet decided, but it appears that Audi’s earlier strategy of restricting RS numbers will be dropped for higher volumes – and therefore higher profits.
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The most powerful, most capable – and most desirable – variant of Audi’s latest A3 has finally been granted the production green light by the German car maker’s chairman, Martin Winterkorn.
Set to receive RS3 badges, Ingolstadt’s new 350bhp rocket will bypass the traditional hot-hatch brigade and land directly in the territory occupied today by the Subaru Impreza WRX, at last providing Europe with a worthy rival to the iconic rally-bred Japanese saloon.
Engineers at Audi’s Sport division – the same team responsible for the ’Bahn-storming RS4 and RS6 – have already started developing the new car, which is planned to reach the UK by mid-2006 in hatchback and Sportback estate bodystyles, as previewed by our exclusive images.
But before the new £35,000 über-hatch lands here, Audi plans to unleash a milder S3 model running a naturally aspirated 280bhp version of the same 3.2-litre V6. Aimed at cars like the Ford Focus RS, Alfa Romeo 147 GTA and Volkswagen Golf R32, it will arrive in 2005 priced around £26,000, according to well-placed Audi sources.
Yet while the S3’s launch is eagerly anticipated on these shores, it is the more aggressive RS3 that will make the bigger headlines. With a state-of-the-art turbocharged powerplant and an advanced four-wheel drive system capable of constantly varying the drive to each axle, it promises to deliver supercar-slaying performance for the price of a well-kitted executive car.
Recent hot Audi models have been big on stealth, with little more than a handful of styling modifications hinting at the huge performance that lies beneath. The RS3 continues this tradition with an inherently muscular but hardly flamboyant appearance that’s dominated by Audi’s imposing new shield grille positioned up front, as seen on the recently introduced A6 and A8 W12. It will quickly become a trademark of all Audi models.
Among the changes over the standard A3 are a deep spoiler with a trio of large air ducts, more heavily flared wheelarches, wider side sills under the doors, an additional spoiler atop the rear hatch and an extended rear bumper that’s designed to draw air more cleanly from underneath.
Insiders say that these styling modifications – whose aerodynamic characteristics have been carefully honed in Audi’s own wind tunnel – might be subtle, but they all serve a particular purpose, rather than merely enhancing the looks.
These purposeful looks are backed up by the sort of firepower rarely seen in the hatchback ranks. Under the RS3’s bonnet lurks a heavily refettled version of the Volkswagen Group’s 24-valve 3.2-litre V6, as used in today’s top-of-the-range A3.
Mounted transversely, the compact 15-degree unit has been upgraded with the inclusion of Audi’s advanced FSI (fuel stratified injection) direct-injection tech and, in keeping with earlier models to wear the illustrious RS badge, it is also turbocharged.
The result is an appreciable 100bhp jump over the output of today’s 3.2-litre V6, highly placed Audi sources confirm. They hint the upcoming RS3 is likely to serve a tantalising 350bhp in final production trim. With a target weight of 1560kg, this means a power-to-weight ratio close to 225bhp per tonne – an impressive 30bhp per tonne more than Subaru claims for the Japanese-spec Impreza WRX STi. Torque should also be prodigious, swelling from an already impressive 250lb ft to more than 335lb ft.
It won’t only be the engine that places the RS3 at the top of enthusiasts’ shopping lists. In keeping with recent fast Audis, the new car will adopt a six-speed DSG dual-clutch gearbox with a paddle nudge-shift manual over-ride.
Drive is channeled through an electronically controlled multi-plate Haldex clutch. It apportions power to all four wheels, continuously alternating the split from zero to 100 per cent for optimum traction regardless of the conditions.
With the advanced driveline dishing up such high levels of traction, acceleration should be at least as good as that of the giant-killing Impreza WRX. It’s still too early for final figures, but an Autocar engineering source privy to early technical data revealed the RS3 will receive a 3.6:1 final drive ratio and should run 0-60mph in under 5.0sec – almost 2.0sec faster than today’s fastest A3.
Top speed will be limited to 155mph, like all of Audi’s high-end models. Without the restrictor, the true figure is said to be closer to 170mph.
Forming the basis of the RS3 is a reworked version of the Volkswagen Group’s versatile PQ35 Golf chassis. Suspension geometry remains the same as lesser A3 models, but engineers have introduced new levels of tautness to the MacPherson strut (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension.
The changes are predictable and in line with recent hot Audi models: stiffer springs and dampers, less compliant bushes, beefed up anti-roll bars, reduced ride height and widened tracks. Underneath the flared wheelarches lurk purposeful 235/40 profile tyres on 18-inch alloys.
The A3’s electrically assisted power steering will be carried over without any significant changes, but the brakes will be heavily upgraded with a similar disc and caliper pairing as that seen on the discontinued RS4, according to Autocar sources.
Inside, the RS3 will pamper its occupants with a high level of luxury by traditional fast hatchback standards. Among the items prospective buyers can expect are heavily contoured Recaro sports seats offering a higher level of lateral support than standard A3 pews, alongside typical RS elements such as unique instrument graphics and subtle changes in the dashboard trim.
Our artist’s impressions show a three-door RS3 hatchback, but this summer’s new five-door Sportback estate will also come in hot RS3 form (right). The Sportback range will be unveiled this summer and go on sale in the autumn. It’s designed more as a lifestyle estate than an out-and-out load lugger. However, with a boot of around 400 litres, it offers an extra 50 litres of space compared to the hatchback. It shares a wheelbase with the three-door, but adds an extra 100mm in the rear overhang.
The S3 hot hatch will be assembled at Audi’s sprawling Ingolstadt headquarters, while the more potent RS3 will be built at the firm’s increasingly active Sport division base in Neckarsulm – the same facility responsible for the assembly of the RS4 and RS6 and a limited run of Lamborghini Gallardos.
Production volumes aren’t yet decided, but it appears that Audi’s earlier strategy of restricting RS numbers will be dropped for higher volumes – and therefore higher profits.
09 November 2004, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by virgin
sounds good ! however, there is no way it will be under 30 to 35 k
And with the wrx under 20k new it will be a different ball game me thinks
And with the wrx under 20k new it will be a different ball game me thinks
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Originally Posted by SC008Y_MAD
The reports speculates that Audi's radical uprating of the car is prompted by competition from affordable and fast cars such as the Subaru Impreza and the Mitsubishi Evo, both of which are quicker and more agile than the S3.
"more agile than the S3"
the new model may well be competitive in terms of power etc but given the audi tt 3.2 and the golf r32 i have a feeling that the rs3 is not exactly going to be agile with a 3.2 v6 stuck under the bonnet.
09 November 2004, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
Lets face it, a bog stnd wrx at under 20k aint going to be competition for a 300bhp+ RS3. So i think you compairing apples and pears.
However...........
performance for money, the wrx wins hands down
its audi useing the subaru name in the same context,maybe they do want to go rallying
10 November 2004, 03:38 AM
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Sorry to say this but the odds are that this super Audi will be very little more than a super fast and slightly stiffer R32- and indeed I seriously doubt Audi would devote the effort or money to actually making the shell stiffer or any of the other chassis components upgraded. And importantly Audi, without doubt, will stay with the barely better than front-drive Haldex garbage. There is no way the Haldex can be modified for true high performance driving- its not possible! And last, Evo editors when comparing a Audi rs6 to a fat Cayanne remarked on how difficult a time the audi had just to keep up with the Porsche, let alone that the Porsche offered a much better feel for the road- that from a frigging SUV!! (and indeed the Audi Rs6 in question was a long term car which they had intimate knowledgable of- and worse this rs3 will get electic steering making it even more feel-less than the Rs6!) Bottom line is that Audi, right since they finished the Urquattro, have made nothing but average if competent, shi&%4y performance cars not worthy of any demanding roads. The odds of them ever getting there act together are somewhere between super slim and extremely slim. Drivers, please don't get your hopes too high, I'd place your hopes in another manufacturer.
10 November 2004, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jl4069
Sorry to say this but the odds are that this super Audi will be very little more than a super fast and slightly stiffer R32- and indeed I seriously doubt Audi would devote the effort or money to actually making the shell stiffer or any of the other chassis components upgraded. And importantly Audi, without doubt, will stay with the barely better than front-drive Haldex garbage. There is no way the Haldex can be modified for true high performance driving- its not possible!
What a load of twaddle. The new S3 isn't going to be based on the old Golf Mk4 chassis like the R32 is, its based on the Mk5 which is a totally different. I seem to remember reading that the chassis is over 80% stiffer under static torsion than the old one. They have also stated that the Haldex set up will have a complete workover from the existing version.
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Originally Posted by Cupramax
What a load of twaddle. The new S3 isn't going to be based on the old Golf Mk4 chassis like the R32 is, its based on the Mk5 which is a totally different. I seem to remember reading that the chassis is over 80% stiffer under static torsion than the old one. They have also stated that the Haldex set up will have a complete workover from the existing version.
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Originally Posted by ocean
The RS3 has a cripplingly high kerb weight for such a small car with a short wheelbase that'll kill handling subtlety, agility and driving pleasure. A big V6 was the wrong way to go if they want to shake off the Autobahn-only reputation.
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Originally Posted by Cupramax
The RS3 doesn't and never will exist. The head of Audi was quoted last week as saying the new model will be an S3.
10 November 2004, 03:55 PM
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More twaddle, Audi wont accept orders for cars that they might possibly build at some point in the future. The dealer you mention may be clever enough to take deposits for potential models but they sure as hell wont be confirmed orders.
10 November 2004, 04:11 PM
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Is this the same vehicle as available here, described as the A3 Sportback, available in 3.2 litre V6 form with 4WD and DSG transmission (semi-auto transmission with auto mode option) ?
http://www.audi.co.jp/
News was posted on 2/11/2004.
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News was posted on 2/11/2004.
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Nope, the Sportback is just the 5 door body shape of the new A3. Apparently the S3 is going to be avaliable in both shapes this time unlike the old one which was 3 door only.
10 November 2004, 07:00 PM
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Before Audi can compete in these fields they need to get their cars on a diet plan. The kerb weight is just too high. An Imprezza weighs about as much as a fart in a hot air balloon by comparison.
They did give us The Audi Quatro though which was and still is an incredible car
They did give us The Audi Quatro though which was and still is an incredible car
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
Before Audi can compete in these fields they need to get their cars on a diet plan. The kerb weight is just too high. An Imprezza weighs about as much as a fart in a hot air balloon by comparison.
They did give us The Audi Quatro though which was and still is an incredible car
They did give us The Audi Quatro though which was and still is an incredible car
Ocean made that point above too.
You couldn't see Audi producing a legend like the quattro again in hurry, can you?
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Max,
"What a load of twaddle. The new S3 isn't going to be based on the old Golf Mk4 chassis like the R32 is, its based on the Mk5 which is a totally different. I seem to remember reading that the chassis is over 80% stiffer under static torsion than the old one. They have also stated that the Haldex set up will have a complete workover from the existing version."
Sorry I didn't mean to imply that I thought the new S3 would be based on the older car, I fully realize its based on the exact chassis that the new Golf runs on; indeed the new Golf that was easily bested this month in Car, by the much more nimble, adjustable and feelsome and super cheap new Mini Cooper. Max, let me let you in an a simple rule pertaining to car chassis, if the base model does not handle well, ie original Golf, Corrado, Gti, Peugot 205, all manner of first gen Audi's, Porsches etc; then most certainly the yet heavier and bigger tired version will handle even worse! And please lets not use the current BMW M3 as an example of a fatter car handling better than its relations, as most drivers I know (including myself who has driven many) claim the base versions such as the 330i with smaller wheel/tire packages actually handle demanding roads better than the M3. Evo recently compared the M3CSL to the Imprexa C spec and the Impreza took the day.
In terms of the Haldex, unless the system is entirly different, it will be nothing more than a beefed up/more durable version of the same non-full time 4WD Haldex which is garbage. There is no way to turn part-time 4WD into full time four wheel drive.
The S3 will be quite similar to the RS4 and RS6, super fast, super heavy, completly feeless (a virtual garantee with the garbage electric steering it will use- not to mention super huge wheels and tires which diminish feel and handling) and a yawn to drive. Sorry Audi fans of the UrQ, but Audi now make cars are for going really really fast on straight roads.
"What a load of twaddle. The new S3 isn't going to be based on the old Golf Mk4 chassis like the R32 is, its based on the Mk5 which is a totally different. I seem to remember reading that the chassis is over 80% stiffer under static torsion than the old one. They have also stated that the Haldex set up will have a complete workover from the existing version."
Sorry I didn't mean to imply that I thought the new S3 would be based on the older car, I fully realize its based on the exact chassis that the new Golf runs on; indeed the new Golf that was easily bested this month in Car, by the much more nimble, adjustable and feelsome and super cheap new Mini Cooper. Max, let me let you in an a simple rule pertaining to car chassis, if the base model does not handle well, ie original Golf, Corrado, Gti, Peugot 205, all manner of first gen Audi's, Porsches etc; then most certainly the yet heavier and bigger tired version will handle even worse! And please lets not use the current BMW M3 as an example of a fatter car handling better than its relations, as most drivers I know (including myself who has driven many) claim the base versions such as the 330i with smaller wheel/tire packages actually handle demanding roads better than the M3. Evo recently compared the M3CSL to the Imprexa C spec and the Impreza took the day.
In terms of the Haldex, unless the system is entirly different, it will be nothing more than a beefed up/more durable version of the same non-full time 4WD Haldex which is garbage. There is no way to turn part-time 4WD into full time four wheel drive.
The S3 will be quite similar to the RS4 and RS6, super fast, super heavy, completly feeless (a virtual garantee with the garbage electric steering it will use- not to mention super huge wheels and tires which diminish feel and handling) and a yawn to drive. Sorry Audi fans of the UrQ, but Audi now make cars are for going really really fast on straight roads.
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Originally Posted by DBY
£30 grand no way in a million years, the options list will be two miles long!!
No doubt be nice tho!!
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I would love a 'new' S3 but, like some of the posts above can't fathom out how they're going to do it now VW's prices are so vastly inflated.
I priced up an R32 and a 3.2 A3 last night as I'm considering either car, R32 starts at £25 and a bit k, once specced up with decent seats it was a whisker off £30k, a similar spec 3.2 A3 was £29.5k.
*If* Audi release this S3 it's going to have to have a base price of at least £28-30k and then add options to make mid £30k's. Mid £30k's then gets into low mileage single owner M3/S4 territory.
Can't see them selling many, if any, to be honest....
I priced up an R32 and a 3.2 A3 last night as I'm considering either car, R32 starts at £25 and a bit k, once specced up with decent seats it was a whisker off £30k, a similar spec 3.2 A3 was £29.5k.
*If* Audi release this S3 it's going to have to have a base price of at least £28-30k and then add options to make mid £30k's. Mid £30k's then gets into low mileage single owner M3/S4 territory.
Can't see them selling many, if any, to be honest....
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im sure ive saw a manufacturer document sent to dealers about the new S3 and it was the 2 litre Turbo unit with 270PS and noway near the 330 stated in autocar.
Although knowing Autocar its just another photoshopped model with made up drivetrain.
About the pricing though, Audi suprised everyone last time when the last S3 was released you could get an A3 1.8T Quattro Sport for £22,450 or for an extra 2k you could get the S3, with the extra power and all the extra kit, so dont be suprised if the new one doesnt command such a price difference over the current top of the range.
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Although knowing Autocar its just another photoshopped model with made up drivetrain.
About the pricing though, Audi suprised everyone last time when the last S3 was released you could get an A3 1.8T Quattro Sport for £22,450 or for an extra 2k you could get the S3, with the extra power and all the extra kit, so dont be suprised if the new one doesnt command such a price difference over the current top of the range.
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14 February 2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jl4069
There is no way to turn part-time 4WD into full time four wheel drive.
New Haldex controller anyone? with 50:50 split
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15 February 2006, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
Before Audi can compete in these fields they need to get their cars on a diet plan. The kerb weight is just too high. An Imprezza weighs about as much as a fart in a hot air balloon by comparison.
They did give us The Audi Quatro though which was and still is an incredible car
They did give us The Audi Quatro though which was and still is an incredible car
15 February 2006, 11:03 AM
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Funny you say that...I sold my 320bhp scooby to get my M3 EVO which 3 months later i am considering selling and buying an S3, but fell it may just be too slow...in compaison to the two cars.
My brother has an S4 which is s lovely car which i can buy from him, but just can't afford the insurance.
My brother has an S4 which is s lovely car which i can buy from him, but just can't afford the insurance.
15 February 2006, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by datsunman
*If* Audi release this S3 it's going to have to have a base price of at least £28-30k and then add options to make mid £30k's. Mid £30k's then gets into low mileage single owner M3/S4 territory.
Can't see them selling many, if any, to be honest....
Can't see them selling many, if any, to be honest....