A freind of mine reckons his new purchase seirra saphire 340 bhp will do 60 in 1st 90 in2nd and that he could blow my sti8 ppp away so i have laid down a challenge on an air strip but no reply yet. He does not believe that i had a go with a escort with genuin 350 bhp and that he could only just leave me on straight and he was braking when i was still accelerating into corners he was very unstable and that was before my ppp was fitted. I told him its not all about bhp its about power on and of, handling, brakes, etc but he wont have it.

 

'kin 'ell.

 

Sorry but I think your friend smokes too much crack. I reckon to get 60 in 1st, he'd have to be at around 11,000 RPM (+ or - 10%). This is impossible (unless he has a second gearbox fitted... in which case I'm the idiot!!!)

 

Sound like a typical cossie driver (well most!).......all pub talk....

 

Just stick your Scoob in 2nd and pull away - would be like that lol

My bike will just do 60 in 1st, but I doubt any car does.

 

has he got a 9 ltr engine or is he on about km

 

60mph in 1st...only cars I know that do that are automatics.

(excepting silly fast kit car fiberglass jobbies etc)

So either it's an auto or it's got stupidly tall diff ratios. Which is pointless and would smoke clutches on a weekly basis every time you need to pull away

 

Complete bollox unless he's got a bespoke box (or diff) with stupidly spec'd ratio's. All the performance Sierra's came with low 1sts & a large gap to 2nd, it stops them doing the scoob trick of vapourising clutches & generating warranty claims Even with the limiter removed, my 4x4 would struggle to pull much above 30mph.

 

LOL at the fool - my saph cossie (320BHP) did no where near 60 in first..

Why would anyone brag about gear ratios and speed anyway ??

 

p.s. the saph cossies chassies twist all over the place with that amount of power LOL

 

Yeah Right !!!!

Your mates a BELL who has a knackerd Speedo.

Should get checked out and then the Speedo needs checkin.

ha ha

 

Bet he runs you very very very close ..... It will be a quick car IF its 340BHP

 

I used to own a Lotus Cortina Mk 1 which did 60 in first, 80 in second, 100 in third and 130 in 4th. Not bad for a 1600cc roadgoing saloon!

Les

 

Maybe the cossie guy was given the hard sell when he bought his car and missed the fact that the speedo was reading in Kph rather than Mph.

 

My view on this is that the 60 in first is bóllox, but with a genuine 340bhp in a Cosworth sapphire 2wd(assuming it is) he should comfortable smoke you.

 

Course it does sixty in first, its a Ford speedo !

 

Gearing of 8.5mph / 1000rpm - that's like most cars 2nd Gears ....

With 340bhp he will be quick - but take him on at a track like Castle Combe and he will loose .....

 

MAdmark, no he wont if it's dry, they handle if in good nick and have being 2wd will have less transmission losses. I had a play with 260bhp wrx in my 290bhp saf and had the legs on him on the one small straight at ty croes circuit and was equal thru the corners.

Oh and by the way i think this thread is just a windup, 1st post and he posts total bolox. Hook, line, and sinker.

 

Here we gobring on all the possible scenarios.

If you accelerate quickly and the Sapphire is still locked in the garage then you will reach the shops before he does unless of course all for wheels on your Scooby are clamped then he will still get the drop on you.

 

CC - Fair point but those Chicanes and the sweeper that is Quarry really favour traction! Brakes on an STi are very good too ....

 

F1 car????
dave

 

I think he means real car

 

It could have a similar problem to my Range Rover - shows 80mph on the clock when according to the GPS, it's doing 68

 

Does it have a standard cossie box cos that won't do 60 in 1st?
Or another one taken from a V8 (3 speed auto?) which will do 60 in 1st?

 

My old xjs v12 would do 70 in first, but then that was a 3 speed auto, and if it was still living up to factory specs would have gone on to 160. never needed to verify that though. It wasnt any fun at all though.

 

STi8 PPP hits 60 when in 3rd !!

What a waste of gears !

 

Yep the GM400 boxes in XJS's do 60+ in 1st....120mph in 2nd
But 5.3 litres goes alot further than 2.0

Torque Flight and Borg Warner autoboxes weren't far away either. American based autoboxes always seemed to have very tall 1st and 2nd gears.

Now if it were a manual 2WD cossie, It would have had the BW T5 box and that has a far shorter 1st gear. I would have said it was a physical imposibility without bespoke one off parts being specifically made for the gearbox or the diff.

 

IIRC, manual Aston V8s used to do about 60 in first. But they did have fairly large engines!

Always possible your mate is looking at the rev counter - and he's actually getting 6000rpm in first!

 

Hmmm, this has got me thinking - what will my C5 vette do if 1st.

I would say about 60mph ish?

4 speed auto and 4th is good for 190mph...

A good mate of mine runs an ex works scort cossie with 370bhp. He has spent a lot of cash on the engine, its been rebuilt recently and he spent about 4k on the engine then LOL!

Any way he runs a silly 4.1 diff that gives him a top speed of about 100mph, but my god it gets there quick! It keeps up with my Caterham in a straight line! Anti lag sounds awesome too.

 

I had a Sapphire and if I remember right it would do about 70..................in second!!
Gary