Oi - Coupe Knockers!
16 February 2004, 04:55 PM
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Oi - Coupe Knockers!
I stumbled across this forum whilst trying to find the Scooby's performance stats. Having driven four wheeled drive cars in the past I couldn't believe how slow the Scooby was over 1/4 mile - anyway, this is for another post. The main reason for this post is to address the general negativity directed toward the rare, beautiful and fast Fiat Coupe 20VT.
I will not just stand by and allow so-called enthusiasts to knock this car or their owners. The coupe is an exceptionally quick car, even in standard trim, with 0-60 in 6.2, 220 BHP, 1/4 mile in 14, top speed of 162mph and above - and all through the front wheels without traction control!! I can't think of a more enjoyable car to drive - wheelspin in third gear is a very rewarding experience! Now, in standard trim the Coupe would have very little trouble staying up with any Scooby.
As for styling, it simply isn't 'out-dated' - the Coupe recieves enormous attention and has superb road-presence. The Scooby on the otherhand looks more like a people carrier than any supercar i've ever seen!
Finally, reliability - the Fiat doesn't rattle - I've owned two, a turbo and a non-turbo and had very few problems. Things like front tires, clutch and brakes obviously require attention from time to time but well looked after examples seldom go wrong. The Scooby on the otherhand is one of the most unreliable and most expensive to maintain of all road cars.
Anyway, rant over - I hope no one takes offence, I just wanted to defend my Coupes. But before I drive off to bate a few Scoobys, or even a car worthy of a challenge, may I ask why the majority of Scooby owners are over 50 and why on earth my cousin shouts "Daewoo, Daewoo" whenever he sees one (he's 16)?!
I will not just stand by and allow so-called enthusiasts to knock this car or their owners. The coupe is an exceptionally quick car, even in standard trim, with 0-60 in 6.2, 220 BHP, 1/4 mile in 14, top speed of 162mph and above - and all through the front wheels without traction control!! I can't think of a more enjoyable car to drive - wheelspin in third gear is a very rewarding experience! Now, in standard trim the Coupe would have very little trouble staying up with any Scooby.
As for styling, it simply isn't 'out-dated' - the Coupe recieves enormous attention and has superb road-presence. The Scooby on the otherhand looks more like a people carrier than any supercar i've ever seen!
Finally, reliability - the Fiat doesn't rattle - I've owned two, a turbo and a non-turbo and had very few problems. Things like front tires, clutch and brakes obviously require attention from time to time but well looked after examples seldom go wrong. The Scooby on the otherhand is one of the most unreliable and most expensive to maintain of all road cars.
Anyway, rant over - I hope no one takes offence, I just wanted to defend my Coupes. But before I drive off to bate a few Scoobys, or even a car worthy of a challenge, may I ask why the majority of Scooby owners are over 50 and why on earth my cousin shouts "Daewoo, Daewoo" whenever he sees one (he's 16)?!
16 February 2004, 04:59 PM
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quote: "I couldn't believe how slow the Scooby was over 1/4 mile "
according to EVO magazine the classic Impreza runs exactly the same time (more or less) as a 20VT Coupe.
quote: "why on earth my cousin shouts "Daewoo, Daewoo" whenever he sees one "
Because he's a little d1ckhead?
I like the Fiat Coupe a lot, I also like the Impreza. It seems to me you are as guilty as the tosspots you are decrying. Grow up.
according to EVO magazine the classic Impreza runs exactly the same time (more or less) as a 20VT Coupe.
quote: "why on earth my cousin shouts "Daewoo, Daewoo" whenever he sees one "
Because he's a little d1ckhead?
I like the Fiat Coupe a lot, I also like the Impreza. It seems to me you are as guilty as the tosspots you are decrying. Grow up.
16 February 2004, 05:00 PM
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What a numptey.
I can't belive how wound up these people get. A Fiat driver gets slagged of for being a complete muppet, and admits to being an ar*e and then somebody comes on bit*hing about how good Fiats are
What's so good about wheel spin in 3rd gear anyway? The idea is to get the power on to the road not to melt the tyres, some people
Don't think too many people would deny that the Scoob is not the prettiest car, but compared to something that looks like it has come off the set of the texas chainsaw masacre with all those gashes up its flanks, I hardly think you are in a position to throw stones!
I can't belive how wound up these people get. A Fiat driver gets slagged of for being a complete muppet, and admits to being an ar*e and then somebody comes on bit*hing about how good Fiats are
What's so good about wheel spin in 3rd gear anyway? The idea is to get the power on to the road not to melt the tyres, some people
Don't think too many people would deny that the Scoob is not the prettiest car, but compared to something that looks like it has come off the set of the texas chainsaw masacre with all those gashes up its flanks, I hardly think you are in a position to throw stones!
16 February 2004, 05:07 PM
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Sa 20V - who cares - the Fiat was a good car in it's day - but is now starting to show it's age! Different Cars for different people - but as this is SN - why don't you **** Off???
16 February 2004, 05:11 PM
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Yawn, I knew I'd get that response!
Is this not a forum for Scooby owners? Or have I stumbled onto something for small minded chav-scum?
If your car really is as good as you think it is, why don't you hand it over to a good driver and race one of our machines? I'll even race you in my non-turbo just to prove my point!
Is this not a forum for Scooby owners? Or have I stumbled onto something for small minded chav-scum?
If your car really is as good as you think it is, why don't you hand it over to a good driver and race one of our machines? I'll even race you in my non-turbo just to prove my point!
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Finally, reliability - the Fiat doesn't rattle - I've owned two, a turbo and a non-turbo and had very few problems. Things like front tires, clutch and brakes obviously require attention from time to time but well looked after examples seldom go wrong. The Scooby on the otherhand is one of the most unreliable and most expensive to maintain of all road cars.
All of the above is bullsh*t. Fiats do rattle, are unrealiable and this is VERY VERY well documented. You need to be VERY kind to it for it to not do these things. I have owned three Fiats and have definately seen the light. The dealer stink too.
As for the Scooby being unreliable etc that is nonsense. Like every car manufacturer it has it's share of problems and yes, like all supercars, they can be expensive (so is the Coupe 20VT). Japanese built versus Italian built - no contest every time.
I believe, if I am not mistake, Subaru have won the JD Power Survey at least 5 times for customer satisfaction in all areas including dealers, reliability and performance - hard to argue with the ghundreds of thousands who take part. I have never seen Fiat even in the top 50 I believe?
This is a Subaru forum so why come on and slag Subaru - by all means defend what you believe is a great car - and yes it is good - but don't slag off Subaru with no good reason. The Coupe is a fast posers car - the Impreza (there are other Subaru's too you know) is an understated classic desired by many more people than the tinny coupe.
All of the above is bullsh*t. Fiats do rattle, are unrealiable and this is VERY VERY well documented. You need to be VERY kind to it for it to not do these things. I have owned three Fiats and have definately seen the light. The dealer stink too.
As for the Scooby being unreliable etc that is nonsense. Like every car manufacturer it has it's share of problems and yes, like all supercars, they can be expensive (so is the Coupe 20VT). Japanese built versus Italian built - no contest every time.
I believe, if I am not mistake, Subaru have won the JD Power Survey at least 5 times for customer satisfaction in all areas including dealers, reliability and performance - hard to argue with the ghundreds of thousands who take part. I have never seen Fiat even in the top 50 I believe?
This is a Subaru forum so why come on and slag Subaru - by all means defend what you believe is a great car - and yes it is good - but don't slag off Subaru with no good reason. The Coupe is a fast posers car - the Impreza (there are other Subaru's too you know) is an understated classic desired by many more people than the tinny coupe.
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Yawn, I knew I'd get that response!
Is this not a forum for Scooby owners? Or have I stumbled onto something for small minded chav-scum?
If your car really is as good as you think it is, why don't you hand it over to a good driver and race one of our machines? I'll even race you in my non-turbo just to prove my point!
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16 February 2004, 05:18 PM
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quote: "small minded chav-scum"
You mean you and your nephew? Look moron, I told you the coupe 20VT is a great car, it just isn't as great as you think.
You mean you and your nephew? Look moron, I told you the coupe 20VT is a great car, it just isn't as great as you think.
16 February 2004, 05:19 PM
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Why do you guys even bother replying to threads like this. If you ignore them, they go away!
My life is too short to argue about who has the better car. I enjoy mine and that is all I care about.
My life is too short to argue about who has the better car. I enjoy mine and that is all I care about.
16 February 2004, 05:19 PM
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at least you can spell coupe, which is always a good starter for Fiat Coupe owners. However I feel that some of the above post are a little abusive - the FC is a 'cheap' future classic and anyone who owns one of these is a league ahead of the usual MR2/Celica/Cougar posse in my book.
Shall we on Scoobynet now extend the hand of friendship to all Fiat Coupe owners, confident in the knowledge that according to numerous reliability surveys Subaru is always in the top 10, whereas Fiat slithers around at the bottom?
Remember to try and give them a friendly wave next time you pass another stranded Fiat Coupe owner, and maybe give them directions to the nearest AA call box.
Shall we on Scoobynet now extend the hand of friendship to all Fiat Coupe owners, confident in the knowledge that according to numerous reliability surveys Subaru is always in the top 10, whereas Fiat slithers around at the bottom?
Remember to try and give them a friendly wave next time you pass another stranded Fiat Coupe owner, and maybe give them directions to the nearest AA call box.
16 February 2004, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Boss Hogg
at least you can spell coupe, which is always a good starter for Fiat Coupe owners. However I feel that some of the above post are a little abusive - the FC is a 'cheap' future classic and anyone who owns one of these is a league ahead of the usual MR2/Celica/Cougar posse in my book.
Shall we on Scoobynet now extend the hand of friendship to all Fiat Coupe owners, confident in the knowledge that according to numerous reliability surveys Subaru is always in the top 10, whereas Fiat slithers around at the bottom?
Remember to try and give them a friendly wave next time you pass another stranded Fiat Coupe owner, and maybe give them directions to the nearest AA call box.
Shall we on Scoobynet now extend the hand of friendship to all Fiat Coupe owners, confident in the knowledge that according to numerous reliability surveys Subaru is always in the top 10, whereas Fiat slithers around at the bottom?
Remember to try and give them a friendly wave next time you pass another stranded Fiat Coupe owner, and maybe give them directions to the nearest AA call box.
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16 February 2004, 05:24 PM
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Sa 20v - I thought we had been quite complimetary about the Coop!
No probs - have a pop at my new shape in your non turbo .....
- Oh and by the way - if you think your skills will make up for the huge power shortfall - I have done plenty of racing ....
As for Chav Scum - that's how you come across. You only drive a Fiat because you are poor and obviously badly educated .....
No probs - have a pop at my new shape in your non turbo .....
- Oh and by the way - if you think your skills will make up for the huge power shortfall - I have done plenty of racing ....
As for Chav Scum - that's how you come across. You only drive a Fiat because you are poor and obviously badly educated .....
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16 February 2004, 05:38 PM
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Fiat's went downhill for me after I had a ....deep breath.....Fiat X1/9 and the damn thing rusted overnight - after every single mechanical component had buggered as well. It went downhill alright - off a large cliff.
Mind you girls loved it.
Mind you girls loved it.
16 February 2004, 06:10 PM
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wheelspin in third gear is a very rewarding experience
Wheel spin is ONLY fun in a rwd or 4wd car when the backend is coming round otherwise its not rewarding at all!If search is up and running again (doubt it) you'll see there have been countless 20vt threads over the years and nearly every one of them contains a lot of praise and respect. My mate had a 20vt and it was a very nice car and very fast but when modified with £900 mods that I sold a year later for £900 my scooby would have humped it in a staight line and don't even get me started on the corners. A great car the 20vt is but its ultimately an a-road or motorway weapon where it can play its scooby killing card.
16 February 2004, 06:22 PM
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Oh dear, what a misguided group! Suburu may have a good maintenance record, unlike Daewoo (sorry couldn't resist), but the Scooby does not. I have seen countless reports relating to the Scooby, in fact I saw one today by Warranty Direct - where the Scooby ranked as the most expensive car to repair and most likely to go wrong - read it if you don't believe me.
As for Fiat, yes the dealers are a bunch of w@nkers but with the number of specialists out there things are looking pretty good for the Coupe! Fiats reliability isn't the best in the world, but it certainly isn't the worst and the Coupe is the one model they got absolutely right. Chances are that some of you have owned a Fiat that rattles and falls apart, but I would like to bet that the car wasn't a Coupe. As I mentioned earlier, a well looked after car won't rattle and will seldom break down!
Just to put a spanner in the works, remember the Coupe was designed by Ferrari engineers and Pininfarina - your car is based on a horrible saloon (probably a Daewoo) and a rally car - which means on the road your **** outta luck!
As for Fiat, yes the dealers are a bunch of w@nkers but with the number of specialists out there things are looking pretty good for the Coupe! Fiats reliability isn't the best in the world, but it certainly isn't the worst and the Coupe is the one model they got absolutely right. Chances are that some of you have owned a Fiat that rattles and falls apart, but I would like to bet that the car wasn't a Coupe. As I mentioned earlier, a well looked after car won't rattle and will seldom break down!
Just to put a spanner in the works, remember the Coupe was designed by Ferrari engineers and Pininfarina - your car is based on a horrible saloon (probably a Daewoo) and a rally car - which means on the road your **** outta luck!
16 February 2004, 06:27 PM
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Disigned bi Pininfarina it may be but Ferrari are some of the most unrelaible cars too - ask any owner.
I have owned a 20V so I know about them - they do rattle.
Scoob by the way refers to the term Scooby Doo ie Subaru (sounds similar) - the Sooby is NOT the impreza - that is labelled, strangely enough, an Impreza.
Read the Motor Warranty claims survey - they may have been the most expensive for repairs but they were nowhere near the most unreliable. The figures for Subaru are based upon a small number of cases (unlike Ford etc - and Fiat with larger numbers of claims). Most of the big Subaru bills would have been gearboxed/engines caused by careless ownership or bad driving unlike most of the Fiat claims which will have been for poor build quality and bad engineering. No question - Fiats are not well engineered.
I have owned a 20V so I know about them - they do rattle.
Scoob by the way refers to the term Scooby Doo ie Subaru (sounds similar) - the Sooby is NOT the impreza - that is labelled, strangely enough, an Impreza.
Read the Motor Warranty claims survey - they may have been the most expensive for repairs but they were nowhere near the most unreliable. The figures for Subaru are based upon a small number of cases (unlike Ford etc - and Fiat with larger numbers of claims). Most of the big Subaru bills would have been gearboxed/engines caused by careless ownership or bad driving unlike most of the Fiat claims which will have been for poor build quality and bad engineering. No question - Fiats are not well engineered.
16 February 2004, 06:34 PM
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I can never understand how this whole "your car is crap because....." thing kicks off. It's pointless and ends up going absolutely nowhere. The argument about the Evo Vs Scoob has been going on since the dawn of time, just like all the other arguments of my car is better than yours. Personally I would think it should be the crap drivers, boy racers and car thieves that you should be p!ssed off at, not someone who has a different choice of car to you. Oh well, it is a fickle world we live in, I suppose as long as it stays as just a healthy debate and nothing more then what the hell??? Life is just too short to worry about it all if you ask me.
16 February 2004, 06:36 PM
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Give me a 20VT engine and a dawes and I'll have it back to you in bits within minutes. The reason you don't have the big engine problems is because the neds that aspire to an iconic car like the Impreza aren't in the least bit interested in what IMHO (and probably theres) looks like a bit of a hairdressers car for which their mates would slag them. Hence the 20VTs are bought by more mature drivers that don't do silly things with silly mods and therefore have engines blow up. There is a guy I know that bought an Impreza and myself and a fellow impreza driver had a bet as to how long till he fecked his engine (he is a ned) - took about a month If I recall he was running some very silly7 boost!!
If I recall he was running some very silly7 boost!!
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Wierd. I never knew the Fiat Coupe crowd had such a chip on their shoulder about the Scoob! ... and here's me posting replies to people's questions about Coupes. 
I know it's all a bit of a wind up, and I know 20v aren't *too* serious. But with these types of threads you get loads of people spouting bull**** about cars they's never owned and repeating stories that their brothers-girlfriends-fathers-dogs-trainer once had such-and-such a car and everything broke and it was slow and ****, etc....
I have to agree with 20v though, Pininfarina did a great job on styling..... the INTERIOR. Pity a blind ******* styles the exterior!
Respect to the Coupe (cos while I had one I thought it was a brilliant car). But the garages do suck big time!
Andy
I know it's all a bit of a wind up, and I know 20v aren't *too* serious. But with these types of threads you get loads of people spouting bull**** about cars they's never owned and repeating stories that their brothers-girlfriends-fathers-dogs-trainer once had such-and-such a car and everything broke and it was slow and ****, etc....
I have to agree with 20v though, Pininfarina did a great job on styling..... the INTERIOR. Pity a blind ******* styles the exterior!
Respect to the Coupe (cos while I had one I thought it was a brilliant car). But the garages do suck big time!
Andy
16 February 2004, 06:54 PM
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THEY DON'T RATTLE - PERIOD! I have owned two at the same time and neither rattled!
The Scooby is certainly more unreliable than the coup and finally, if you're talking about modding - check out forum.fccuk.org, there you'll find coupes with 400BHP, ones with blue-printed engines, cars that have had 40k of work and some that do 0-60 in under 4.3 seconds with ease!
Suburu owners are proving as pathetic as their cars!
I have owned two at the same time and neither rattled!The Scooby is certainly more unreliable than the coup and finally, if you're talking about modding - check out forum.fccuk.org, there you'll find coupes with 400BHP, ones with blue-printed engines, cars that have had 40k of work and some that do 0-60 in under 4.3 seconds with ease!
Suburu owners are proving as pathetic as their cars!
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John Banks 6-speed UK Impreza 436bhp, Andy F MY95 WRX RA 440bhp (ish) and finally Harvey STI6 Wagon somewhere in the region of 560bhp (memory fails me would have to search). Enough said IMHO and these cars 'might' be able to put the power down in 2nd and 3rd - what hope does a 400bhp fwd car have
These are the big money scoobys, lots run 330bhp ish for very reasonable money and are easily cracking 100mph from standstill in 12s.
These are the big money scoobys, lots run 330bhp ish for very reasonable money and are easily cracking 100mph from standstill in 12s.
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... and I see that you've been given a good telling off by your own forum! LOL
http://www.fccuk.org/ubbthreads/show...b=5&o=&fpart=1
... and I see that you've been given a good telling off by your own forum! LOL
http://www.fccuk.org/ubbthreads/show...b=5&o=&fpart=1
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Hello,
Having never owned either an Impreza or a Fiat coupe, I believe I'm the ideal person to cast my opinion. I have however driven both varieties on several occasions. Both have their advantages, and both their disadvantages. The fiat does rattle (yes it is true!!!) the 20VT and 16VT I have driven were rattling like crazy, however they do pull surprisingly well after about 60. The fiat also looks dated, and I feel worried that they would die on me at any moment!
The impreza was absolutely amazing performance wise, and the coupe wouldn't come close (although it was a homologation impreza I drove). The whole car felt firm and safe, but again the 'classic' impreza is a bit dated, and the newer ones are a bit ugly.
If I was to choose between the two cars I would have an Impreza purely because of the performance advantage and the security and grip of 4wd. However I didn't buy either, and instead bought a Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ300! talk about expensive to run!!! insurance is £3409 to start with!...but I wouldn't change it for the world. (except for an MR)
Having never owned either an Impreza or a Fiat coupe, I believe I'm the ideal person to cast my opinion
. I have however driven both varieties on several occasions. Both have their advantages, and both their disadvantages. The fiat does rattle (yes it is true!!!) the 20VT and 16VT I have driven were rattling like crazy, however they do pull surprisingly well after about 60. The fiat also looks dated, and I feel worried that they would die on me at any moment! The impreza was absolutely amazing performance wise, and the coupe wouldn't come close (although it was a homologation impreza I drove). The whole car felt firm and safe, but again the 'classic' impreza is a bit dated, and the newer ones are a bit ugly.
If I was to choose between the two cars I would have an Impreza purely because of the performance advantage and the security and grip of 4wd. However I didn't buy either, and instead bought a Mitsubishi Evo VIII FQ300! talk about expensive to run!!! insurance is £3409 to start with!...but I wouldn't change it for the world. (except for an MR)