akshay67

These GTis are nippy little buggers...On my way to work this morning and I see one weaving through the traffic...the road ahead clears so I decide to have a play...at 40mph I was about 4 car lengths behind him and then we entered a massive roundabout - I couldn't make any ground on him at all...out of the roundabaout and along the straight we were at about 70 and I was maybe 3 car lengths behind...I just couldn't reel in on him...then we hit traffic...nice little cars...

What's their bhp/ton?

Boyakasha

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I think you need to get your car checked, either that or it was modified.

akshay67

It's funny you say that because the first thing I though was whether my car is buggered...however, that thing was really shifting...

Is the rolling road the only way to check? Anyone in the West London area who wants to compare cars (SS backbox, magnex centre, K&N induction, Forge VTA DV, 99uk)??

Listy

These suckers are prone to the assistance of Nos.....

If he was screaming in a straight line I would suggest he was pumping Laughing Gas under the hood at an alarming rate...

Wait till it gets Bendy..... It's always entertaining watching a 106 or the like trying to get through a tight bend on Nos.....

Understeer Central.... Just as he drifts across into the oncoming nip up the inside and Grin at them.... Widely...

LG John

If it was well modified it would have been pulling away!

Standard scoobys are not that much faster than a 106 GTI. A scooby driver (peeshoters - hence likely standard) let me (VTS = GTI) get away by 2-3 car lengths before giving chase. From 40-*20 he could not make up that gap although he was gaining slowly but surely all the time.

Get a full decat and tek 3 and then you can hose all over VTS/GTI's

NACRO

Power to weight ratio and no turbo lag and relatively modest speeds probably explains it. Remember the person nailing the throttle first does have an advantage.

I like 106GTi's - however they are no good for me as I barely fit in them (my feet are to big and legs to long)

[Edited by NACRO - 8/28/2003 10:15:16 AM]

ScoobyJawa

Theres some 106's out there with 160-200bhp, they'll give you a hard time

As for understeering round a corner, like scoobies don't! Mine did until I had the geom and bumpsteer done!

Rich D

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A 106 GTi does not understeer... trust me!

They are one of the best fwd hot hatches out there and can really handle the twisty stuff.

Even as standard they're pretty quick, but a modded one would be a rocket ship as they weight f*ck all.

I had one for about 2 years and loved it!

nisr227

Also, its worth noting there are alot who push out 130-135bhp as standard, and not the quoted 120bhp, but it still needs a bit more to be near a scoob, something near 155-160bhp probably. In theory a 160bhp Gti compared to a scoob is (my theory formulas):

.................bhp kg bhp/on 0-60 0-100 60-100 1/4&Tspeed
Peugeot 106 GTi 1.6 160 930 175 6.51 17.93 11.42 14.95 @ 91.77

Subaru Impreza 2.0 Turbo UK 215 1250 175 5.66 14.51 8.85 14.04 @ 98.88

The 60-100 figures are not that far apart, and if the 106 reacted quicker, then in the real world it wouldn't be much of a noticable difference.

STEVE

juan

wasn't there another thread saying 0-100 is like 22 secs for vts and 106gti?

thats gotta be a lot slower than scoob

LG John

Most MKII VTS's will do 0-100 in 19-20s and I presume the GTI's are about the same. Crail confirmed my car as doing 90mph after 15.3s so I seriouly doubt it would take another 7s in the guts of 4th gear to put on 10mph

If he was holding you perfectly then it was modified in some way but probably not much. If you were slowly gaining then it could have been standard or near standard

juan

just checked that other thread - official figures seem to be 22.x
even assuming 19.x then that was one slow scoob, either that or he was pootling or its a sever case of 'fond memories' syndrome

LG John

There was many other instances not just the one I don't want to go down this road again but I've proven this time and time again in many other threads that a well driven, good example VTS/GTI is not THAT MUCH slower than a standard scooby (even classic) in a straight line. Remember that a 172 is only about 18s to 100 and its a well known fact that they can pretty much MATCH scooby's after traction is no longer an issue Oh, and for good measure I beat a 172 at Crail

Fishing rod is out for paul

Diablo

Gotta love Saxo's venhement defence of Vts & 106 gti's.

Standard Vts in a straight line against my old MY99 (unmodified) was a hoot.

Scoob 106Gti

0 to 60 5.? 7.?

0 to 100 14.? 22.?

60 to 100 9.? 15.?

Get real people

have driven both extensively and have had direct comparisons.

If both cars are standard there is a fairly large performance deficit. Thats a fact.

I used to frequently toast Saxo's/Gti's as long as I wasn't caught with the Classic's 2nd gear 3000 rev half boost feature.

Maybe not so large a gap with a bugeye though.

I'd suggest the 106 was modified, or the scoob was off.

Its like comparing a scoob with a 911 turbo up to 100 mph.

D

akshay67

Don't know what to make of this guys - either it was modded, or my scoob is off, or in reality there isn't much of a performance difference (given our situation anyway)!

Eitherway, I think Saxo has said the most sensible thing - get full decat and Tek 3!

If I see this guy again I'll try to pull him over...

bluenose172

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Keep up Kenny, the 172 is gone, roll on Thursday.......

Sorry edited for thread hijack!

[Edited by bluenose172 - 8/28/2003 2:40:56 PM]

Eatpies

just think, if it was supercharged, it could have well over 200bhp, although i only know of 1 s/c 106 and he aint running right at the mo

RoTTie2

This does not seem correct, when i had my MY99 UK with full decat my mate had a 4 motion Golf which on paper is a second or two quicker to a ton than a 106 and would real that in steadily from any speed.

Lower speeds use to pull away well, 50+ would pass with relative ease. If iwas say 8 car lengths behind i would have caught him up within a mile straight.

THey are dam nipy tho thoose 106's

Rottie

akshay67

this does seem correct because I do not have a full decat and i caught up by one car length over say 300m - 2 straights one massive bend

LG John

Even at that you can only just comfortably beat hot-hatches. This morning I played with a Cooper S from 20 to that +100mph and I started off a car length behind and got about 2-3 in front which is a difference of about 4-5 car lenghths! A Cooper S is only fractionally faster than a GTI/VTS (if at all!) and I can easily pull 3-4 car lengths on peeshooter Impreza's - take from that what you will. Stop quoting book figures, they often don't mean much on the road as anyone who has been demolished by a Fiat 20VT will vouch for

If it was supercharged he'd have totally destroyed you. Matts s/c VTS was reeling me in a car length per second when I got into 4th gear !!!!!

Paul, what you getting?

David_Wallis

my 106 cornered better than most scoobs

bluenose172

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Kenny,

Lets just say I'll come over and show you how one should be driven!

I think it's a kin to a swear word on here, so I shall refrain from uttering the word!

:-)

rob27

Opps added twice! der.

[Edited by rob27 - 8/28/2003 4:49:19 PM]

rob27

I had a Saxo VTS and was thinking of getting it modded.
There was this bloke called Garry Stone at Saxo Sports Tuning.
He gave me the options:-

160bhp Exhaust, High lift cams etc.
180bhp Exhaust, race cams, pigyback ecu etc (supposed to do 0-60 in 6 secs) 7.2 standard.
180bhp Low pressure Turbo 7psi exhuast etc £1650
240bhp High pressure Turbo 14 psi exhaust etc. £2500

But he did have his own little 1.6 motor with a turbo running 22 odd psi!!! thats ****in crazy!

Rob.

Ben Muirhead

£1650 for a turbo conversion..... hmmmmm, DIY ?

LG John

He had his car featured in Revs if I remember! Some of those power claims are a little, hmmmmm though!

Looking forward to a run in your Evo paul

scoobydooooo

why most scoobs ?? how do you know ?? curiosity

J4CKO

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To be honest when I drove a Scoob for the first time, I thought

"Is that it"

I had a Volvo T5 at the time and that felt as quick, Fiat Coupe turbo I drove was quicker but I realised what the point was when I went round a corner. I had a bit of a go with an S reg turbo (S*** UTD) the other day in my MK2 Golf, from about 30 to 80/90 down a bypass and the braking for the roundabouts and it didnt exactly dissapear, pulled 2 or three car lengths, should we have got to higher speeds I suspect it would have dissapeared easily but my Golf is 120 bhp and weighs less than a ton (when I am not in it), the Scoob is what 208 ? and weighs substantially more and has the 4wd losses to overcome. A standard one just isnt as ballistic as people assume, I still want one because of the handling and the feel of it but for the straight line speed I think it will have to be a Jap spec something or other.

Its funny how 200 ish bhp just aint a big deal anymore, remember when the Sierra Cosworth came out 204 bhp was amazing and the Lotus Carlton got slated for 375 ! Nowadays 375 is still big power but not a headline figure anymore, in fact 400 sounds almost commonplace .

dave20vt

paul - which one are you getting 5,6,7,8, there's so many, i do like the evo 7 the best, i think my fiat 20vt will be lagging behind now, your bro's cup, might be lagging aswell!

dave

bluenose172

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LOL - I'm not getting an EVO, Kenny got it wrong. It's a CTR and modding plans are a foot already!