Rich D

iTrader: (12)

Steve -

Just noticed this thread has kicked off again...

Anyway, I've now sold the 306 Rallye and I got a brand new Clio Cup 3 weeks ago, so I've just checked the "theory" figures for my new motor!


Renault Clio Sport Cup:

Power - 170bhp (172bhp?! Evo again...)
Weight - 1011kg
Power/weight - 171bhp/tonne
0-60 - 6.62secs
0-100 - 18.17secs
60-100 - 11.55secs
1/4 Mile - 15.05secs @ 91.47mph


Now when Evo tested the Cup...

0-60 - 6.5secs
0-100 - 17.7secs
60-100 - n/a
1/4 Mile - 15.2secs @ 94mph


Will be going to Santa Pod in it this weekend to see what I can get!


[Edited by Rich D - 8/6/2003 9:45:09 PM]

nisr227

FREET - I can't do the go kart because its a similar type to bike performance or low bhp but extremely low weight. It comes up with:
Go Kart 130 170 777 3.23 9.02 5.79 11.70 @ 114.45
...which i'm not happy about. I'm thinking of producing another formular for such vehicles and bikes.

Re the Bugatti, my formula wasn't really designed for such an exteeme car (!) in mind, but here goes anyway:

Bugatti 1000 1500 677 2.67 4.28 1.61 10.27 @ 155.66

155mph in just 10.27secs (!) sounds very similar to the Skyline that posted the fastest time at totb last week (9.95secs!)

I've already played around with the likes of very very high powerfull Skylines but the formula was set up for a very high chance of wheel spin when you get to silly bhp per tons so the times are somewhat out.


[Edited by nisr227 - 8/7/2003 7:47:34 PM]

nisr227

I don't know if any of you can remember but a few months back I posted a list of my THEORY figures for many cars from my spreadsheet, using my FORMULAS to calculate their times.

Anyway, I have an update, as well as 0-60, I can now calculate their terminal speeds for the 1/4mile, and finally I've worked a 0-100 formula in with it too, which a few people asked for. So also see the "through 60-100" which is always a decent figure to compare cars once moving.

Overall, it quotes a CALCULATED: BHP/TON,0-60mph 0-100mph, "through 60-100" and 1/4mile with its terminal speed.

Its formula is setup for only 3 items of easy available data:
1)BHP 2)Weight in kg 3)Drive Type

Figures are for full maximum abuse on DRAG/Excellent Road surface conditions. Based on standard road tyres, the BHP is flywheel, and weight is without driver (this has been allowed in the formulas):

The formulas seem to work well on most normal road cars, bearing in mind they do not allow for aerodynamics, gearing or Torque!

Before anyone says there's already programs out there that can calculate such times, yes there are, but I set out to do this with very basic and easy accessible data, alot of complicated programs need cd values, gearing, torque, tyres friction, grip, physics etc etc. The whole point is that I can use my spreadsheet to compare cars and increase their bhp to see the effects. I can see how some people's estimates in mags are way out, and which are realstic, all with basic data. The same goes for up and coming previews on cars where there are no road tests and other data are available.

(btw, the times are the very best you can acheive with full abuse on a grippy drag srip, I would guess personal acheivements could be slower by 0.5 secs in many cases)

Anyway, i'll post some samples from my excel spreadsheet, they might be a bit hard on the eye though...........

nisr227

Make and Model....................BHP KG Bhp/Ton 0-60 0-100 60-100 1/4


4wd
Audi A3 1.8T Quattro Sport 180 1428 128 7.63 21.64 14.02 16.05 @ 86.54
Audi A3 1.9 Tdi Quattro 130 1320 100 9.74 32.16 22.42 18.21 @ 75.63
Audi S3 Quattro 210 1375 155 6.33 16.63 10.30 14.72 @ 94.56
Audi S4 265 1512 178 5.56 13.66 8.10 13.90 @ 101.35
Audi RS2 315 1595 201 4.99 11.67 6.69 13.27 @ 107.15
Audi RS4 375 1620 235 4.34 9.71 5.37 12.56 @ 114.33
Audi RS6 444 1840 245 4.19 8.93 4.74 12.35 @ 118.17
Audi TT 1.8T quattro 180 180 1419 129 7.58 21.46 13.88 16.00 @ 86.77
Audi TT 1.8T quattro 225 225 1395 164 6.01 15.44 9.42 14.39 @ 97.03
Audi TT 3.2 quattro 250 1520 167 5.90 14.80 8.90 14.25 @ 98.61
Ford Escort RS Cosworth 227 1304 177 5.60 14.19 8.59 13.97 @ 99.73
Ford Sapphire RS Cosworth 4X4 220 1367 164 6.02 15.54 9.51 14.40 @ 96.77
Lancia Delta Delta HF Turbo 140 1317 108 9.03 28.43 19.40 17.49 @ 78.82
Lancia Delta Integrale 16v Evo 210 1350 158 6.22 16.28 10.06 14.61 @ 95.21
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI Makinen Edition 276 1365 205 4.88 11.77 6.89 13.21 @ 106.45
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI RS 276 1255 223 4.53 10.92 6.39 12.86 @ 109.05
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII 276 1400 200 4.99 12.05 7.06 13.32 @ 105.65
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII FQ300 305 1402 221 4.58 10.78 6.20 12.87 @ 109.82
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII RS 276 1260 223 4.55 10.96 6.41 12.87 @ 108.93
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII GT-A (auto) 268 1480 184 5.40 13.18 7.79 13.73 @ 102.56
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII 276 1410 199 5.03 12.13 7.11 13.35 @ 105.42
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII FQ300 301 1410 217 4.65 10.99 6.34 12.95 @ 109.09
Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 (Import) 276 1524 184 5.39 13.10 7.70 13.72 @ 102.86
Nissan Sunny / Pulsar GTi-R 220 1250 179 5.54 14.10 8.56 13.92 @ 99.84
Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R VSpec 330 1601 209 4.80 11.09 6.29 13.07 @ 109.08
Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R 350 1605 222 4.57 10.40 5.83 12.82 @ 111.59
Porsche 911 (996) Turbo 4wd 414 1549 272 3.86 8.47 4.61 12.05 @ 119.84
Subaru Impreza 2.0 Turbo UK 215 1250 175 5.66 14.51 8.85 14.04 @ 98.88
Subaru Impreza P1 276 1302 215 4.68 11.28 6.59 13.01 @ 107.93
Subaru Impreza RB5 (PPP) 237 1235 195 5.12 12.75 7.63 13.48 @ 103.33
Subaru Impreza Sti 4/5/6 276 1275 220 4.60 11.07 6.47 12.92 @ 108.57
Subaru Impreza WRX 215 1385 158 6.23 16.25 10.02 14.62 @ 95.32
Subaru Impreza UK300 242 1385 178 5.58 13.96 8.39 13.93 @ 100.40
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti 7 Type UK 261 1470 180 5.49 13.52 8.03 13.83 @ 101.64
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti 7 Type UK PPP 305 1470 211 4.77 11.24 6.47 13.07 @ 108.35
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti 7 (Import) 276 1430 196 5.09 12.30 7.21 13.41 @ 104.96
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti S202 316 1330 241 4.25 9.94 5.69 12.53 @ 112.84
Subaru Legacy RSK B4 (import) 276 1584 177 5.59 13.63 8.04 13.92 @ 101.55
Toyota Celica GT4 255 1380 188 5.30 13.05 7.75 13.64 @ 102.75
Volkswagen Golf 2.8 V6 4motion 204 1400 148 6.62 17.66 11.04 15.02 @ 92.67
Volkswagen Golf R32 237 1477 163 6.04 15.37 9.33 14.40 @ 97.28


RWD
BMW M3 Coupe E36 321 1471 222 5.06 11.81 6.75 13.34 @ 106.81
BMW M3 Coupe E46 338 1570 219 5.12 11.79 6.67 13.38 @ 107.05
BMW M5 400 1756 231 4.90 10.75 5.85 13.10 @ 110.95
BMW 316ti Compact 113 1300 88 11.54 42.75 31.20 20.03 @ 68.79
BMW 325ti Compact 189 1480 130 8.03 23.03 15.00 16.44 @ 84.91
BMW 320td Compact 150 1470 104 9.90 32.36 22.45 18.35 @ 75.69
BMW 318ti Sport Compact 140 1175 121 8.56 26.33 17.77 17.02 @ 80.81
Caterham Super 7 R500 230 450 519 3.22 8.35 5.12 11.59 @ 118.44
Ferrari F355 Spider 380 1332 290 4.17 9.33 5.15 12.39 @ 115.86
Ferrari 360 Modena 400 1390 292 4.15 9.14 4.99 12.35 @ 116.83
Lamborghini Murcielago 570 1650 351 3.73 7.35 3.62 11.76 @ 127.13
Lotus Elise 1.8i 118 723 166 6.44 18.36 11.91 14.93 @ 90.62
Lotus Exige 192 780 250 4.62 11.89 7.27 13.03 @ 105.22
Mclaren F1 627 1138 560 3.19 6.22 3.03 11.16 @ 134.62
Noble M12 GTO 310 980 321 3.91 9.26 5.35 12.20 @ 115.36
Pagani Zonda C12S rwd 542 1250 441 3.37 6.90 3.53 11.43 @ 129.38
Porshe 911 GT3 (new) 381 1380 281 4.27 9.51 5.24 12.49 @ 115.15
Porshe 968 Club Sport 240 1335 183 5.93 15.01 9.08 14.29 @ 98.07
Porshe 944 Turbo SE 250 1350 188 5.79 14.46 8.68 14.14 @ 99.35
Totota Supra 3.0 twin turbo 326 1582 209 5.30 12.35 7.05 13.57 @ 105.34
TVR Griffith 500 340 1075 321 3.92 9.06 5.14 12.18 @ 116.51
TVR Tuscan S 390 1100 360 3.68 8.26 4.59 11.89 @ 120.54
TVR Cerbera 4.5 420 1178 362 3.67 8.06 4.40 11.85 @ 121.81
Ultima GTR 534 990 548 3.19 6.65 3.45 11.26 @ 130.80
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo new 197 930 215 5.18 13.35 8.17 13.59 @ 101.38
Westfield SEiGHT 270 622 441 3.37 8.39 5.02 11.70 @ 118.65

FWD
Alfa Romeo 145 Cloverleaf 150 1200 127 8.45 25.58 17.14 16.90 @ 81.67
Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 Selespeed 150 1250 122 8.75 26.92 18.17 17.20 @ 80.34
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 247 1360 185 6.25 15.88 9.63 14.60 @ 96.38
Alfa Romeo GTV 2.0 TS 150 1325 115 9.21 29.01 19.80 17.66 @ 78.41
Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 220 1406 159 7.01 18.70 11.70 15.39 @ 91.15
Audi A3 1.8T Sport 150 1175 130 8.29 24.94 16.64 16.74 @ 82.35
Citroen AX GT 85 708 122 8.75 28.57 19.82 17.26 @ 78.12
Citroen AX GTi 100 795 128 8.40 26.57 18.17 16.90 @ 80.15
Citroen Saxo VTR 98 920 108 9.73 33.07 23.35 18.23 @ 74.61
Citroen Saxo VTS 120 935 130 8.26 25.46 17.20 16.74 @ 81.49
Citroen Xsara VTS 165 1239 135 8.00 23.40 15.40 16.43 @ 84.23
Citroen ZX Volcane 130 1055 125 8.55 26.52 17.97 17.02 @ 80.52
Daihatsu Charade GTti 99 824 122 8.74 28.17 19.43 17.24 @ 78.63
Fiat Bravo 20v HGT 154 1185 132 8.17 24.32 16.15 16.61 @ 83.06
Fiat Cinquecento Sporting 54 735 75 13.73 61.22 47.48 22.28 @ 60.63
Fiat Coupe 20v 147 1266 118 9.01 28.15 19.14 17.46 @ 79.15
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 220 1307 171 6.62 17.41 10.79 15.00 @ 93.29
Fiat Punto GT 130 1001 132 8.17 24.87 16.70 16.64 @ 82.21
Fiat Punto HGT 130 1040 127 8.45 26.05 17.61 16.92 @ 80.98
Fiat Punto Sporting 80 930 87 11.83 46.08 34.25 20.35 @ 66.79
Fiat Seicento Sporting 54 735 75 13.73 61.22 47.48 22.28 @ 60.63
Fiat Stilo Abarth 170 1239 139 7.80 22.50 14.70 16.23 @ 85.35
Fiat Tipo 16v 148 1180 127 8.42 25.52 17.10 16.87 @ 81.71
Fiat Uno Turbo ie 118 862 139 7.82 23.63 15.81 16.30 @ 83.47
Ford Cougar 24v V6 168 1344 127 8.45 25.17 16.73 16.88 @ 82.29
Ford Escort RS Turbo 132 920 146 7.52 22.13 14.61 15.98 @ 85.42
Ford Fiesta RS Turbo 133 913 148 7.42 21.74 14.32 15.89 @ 85.92
Ford Fiesta Zetec S 102 976 106 9.90 33.83 23.93 18.39 @ 74.11
Ford Focus RS 212 1278 169 6.69 17.77 11.08 15.08 @ 92.58
Ford Focus ST170 171 1208 144 7.60 21.71 14.11 16.03 @ 86.36
Ford Ka Sport 94 934 102 10.24 35.95 25.71 18.75 @ 72.57
Ford Puma 1.4 89 1039 87 11.88 45.95 34.07 20.39 @ 66.95
Ford Puma 1.6 102 1041 100 10.49 37.07 26.57 18.99 @ 71.94
Ford Puma 1.7 123 1041 120 8.87 28.14 19.27 17.35 @ 78.90
Ford Puma Racing 153 1174 132 8.15 24.26 16.11 16.59 @ 83.12
Honda Accord Type-R 209 1306 163 6.88 18.45 11.57 15.27 @ 91.42
Honda Civic 1.6 Vti 158 1250 128 8.36 25.06 16.69 16.81 @ 82.31
Honda Civic Type-R 197 1204 166 6.76 18.24 11.47 15.17 @ 91.65
Honda Integra Type-R 187 1101 173 6.57 17.74 11.17 14.98 @ 92.37
Honda Integra Type-R (old imported) 197 1101 182 6.32 16.76 10.45 14.72 @ 94.18
MG ZR 160 158 1090 147 7.45 21.39 13.93 15.89 @ 86.64
MG ZS 180 175 1235 144 7.59 21.61 14.01 16.02 @ 86.53
Mini Cooper 113 1050 109 9.64 32.15 22.51 18.12 @ 75.46
Mini Cooper 1.3i (original) 63 730 88 11.80 46.67 34.87 20.34 @ 66.34
Mini Cooper S 161 1140 143 7.61 21.95 14.34 16.05 @ 85.94
Mini Cooper S Works 197 1140 176 6.49 17.31 10.82 14.89 @ 93.21
Nissan Almera 1.8 Sport 112 1205 94 11.01 39.65 28.64 19.50 @ 70.48
Peugeot 106 GTi 1.6 120 950 128 8.37 25.95 17.58 16.85 @ 80.97
Peugeot 106 Rallye 1.3 100 826 123 8.68 27.87 19.19 17.18 @ 78.91
Peugeot 106 Rallye 1.6 103 865 121 8.81 28.39 19.58 17.31 @ 78.47
Peugeot 205 Gti 1.9 130 910 145 7.54 22.27 14.73 16.01 @ 85.21
Peugeot 206 Gti 137 1028 135 7.99 23.97 15.97 16.46 @ 83.28
Peugeot 206 XSi 108 1013 108 9.72 32.72 23.00 18.21 @ 74.98
Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2.0 167 1215 140 7.79 22.52 14.73 16.22 @ 85.30
Peugeot 306 Rallye 2.0 167 1199 142 7.70 22.18 14.48 16.14 @ 85.72
Peugeot 306 Xsi 135 1134 121 8.81 27.57 18.76 17.28 @ 79.56
Peugeot 309 Gti 130 985 134 8.06 24.40 16.34 16.53 @ 82.73
Proton Satria Gti 133 1115 121 8.80 27.55 18.75 17.26 @ 79.56
Renault 5 GT Turbo 120 983 124 8.62 27.08 18.46 17.10 @ 79.87
Renault Cio Williams 150 981 155 7.14 20.33 13.20 15.59 @ 87.98
Renault Clio Sport 172 mk1 170 1059 163 6.86 19.01 12.15 15.29 @ 90.13
Renault Clio Sport 172 mk2 170 1110 156 7.13 19.95 12.83 15.56 @ 88.74
Renault Clio Sport Cup 170 1011 171 6.62 18.17 11.55 15.05 @ 91.47
Renault Clio Sport V6 230 1335 175 6.50 16.89 10.39 14.87 @ 94.30
Renault Clio Sport V6 255 255 1400 185 6.24 15.73 9.50 14.58 @ 96.75
Seat Arosa 1.4 16v Sport 100 907 112 9.43 31.50 22.07 17.93 @ 75.83
Seat Ibiza 16v Cupra Sport 150 1120 136 7.96 23.55 15.59 16.41 @ 83.89
Seat Ibiza Cupra 20v T 156 1119 142 7.70 22.37 14.68 16.14 @ 85.36
Seat Ibiza Cupra R 180 1119 163 6.85 18.82 11.96 15.27 @ 90.55
Seat Leon Cupra 20v T 178 1322 137 7.93 22.84 14.91 16.35 @ 85.03
Seat Leon Cupra R 210 1376 155 7.15 19.35 12.21 15.54 @ 90.04
Skoda Fabia 1.4 16v 100 1073 95 10.99 39.97 28.98 19.49 @ 70.17
Skoda Fabia 2.0 16v 115 1200 97 10.71 37.79 27.08 19.19 @ 71.62
Skoda Octavia RS 180 1354 135 8.01 23.14 15.13 16.43 @ 84.69
Toyota Corolla T-Sport 189 1255 153 7.22 19.98 12.76 15.63 @ 88.90
Toyota Yaris T-Sport 105 960 111 9.50 31.69 22.19 17.99 @ 75.73
Vauxhall Astra 2.2i Sri 145 1163 127 8.46 25.78 17.32 16.92 @ 81.41
Vauxhall Astra Gsi 197 1250 160 6.97 18.93 11.97 15.37 @ 90.55
Vauxhall Corsa 1.8 Sri 123 1090 115 9.24 29.88 20.64 17.71 @ 77.38
Volkswagen Corrado VR6 190 1237 156 7.11 19.56 12.45 15.52 @ 89.53
Volkswagen Golf 1.8T Gti 150 150 1236 123 8.66 26.54 17.87 17.11 @ 80.71
Volkswagen Golf 1.8T Gti 180 Anv 180 1236 148 7.42 20.87 13.45 15.84 @ 87.56
Volkswagen Golf 2.3 V5 170 170 1200 144 7.60 21.71 14.11 16.03 @ 86.35
Volkswagen Golf GT Tdi PD 150 150 1388 110 9.60 30.87 21.26 18.05 @ 76.86
Volkswagen Golf GTi (mk1) 112 906 126 8.53 26.85 18.32 17.01 @ 80.00
Volkswagen Golf GTi 16v 3dr(mk2) 139 1020 138 7.85 23.31 15.47 16.31 @ 84.05
Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v 3dr(mk3) 150 1181 129 8.33 25.09 16.76 16.78 @ 82.19
Volkswagen Golf GTi 2.0 (mk4) 115 1153 101 10.32 35.68 25.35 18.81 @ 72.97
Volkswagen Golf GTi 8v 3dr(mk2) 112 920 124 8.64 27.37 18.73 17.13 @ 79.50
Volkswagen Golf Gti 8v 3dr(mk3) 115 1181 99 10.55 36.93 26.37 19.04 @ 72.16
Volkswagen Golf VR6 174 1220 145 7.55 21.47 13.92 15.98 @ 86.70
Volkswagen Lupo 1.4 Sport 100 947 107 9.80 33.41 23.61 18.30 @ 74.39
Volkswagen Lupo Gti 125 978 130 8.28 25.47 17.18 16.76 @ 81.53
Volkswagen Polo 1.6 Gti 125 1151 110 9.56 31.39 21.83 18.03 @ 76.17


What do you think?
If i've missed your car and your interested then let me know just the bhp, kg and drivetype and I'll calculate it for you, or if you want to know what more bhp does.

nisr227

Has anyone got any bhp (modified?) and kg (and drivetype) figures and I'll calculate it for you, possible something other than scoobs becuase they are all similar.

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

I see you've used Evo for the info...

A Rallye weighs 1163kg and the 1/4 mile time is definateley faster than that, plus I have slips to prove it!

Carlos The Jackel

How about a 163.5bhp Clio Williams? Weight 985kgs

dave20vt

the figs are way out for my fiat coupe 20v turbo

your figs -

0-60 6.62
0-100 17.41
60-100 10.79
1/4 mile 15@93.29

car mag results

6.0
14.5
8
14.5@100

so for my car noway near, so must be a few more wrong ones, is there a way you could add in torque/gearing?

dave

nisr227

OK, this is what I need to know, I have to rely on kg from mags, so if they are incorrect they it provide different figures.

I'll amend the Rallye data, afterall I do own a 306 Gti-6 (and 300bhp Gti-R)so want its data correct!

Here's the info:

Peugeot 306 Rallye 2.0 99 167 1163 146 7.51 21.44 13.93 15.94 @ 86.67


Renault Cio Williams 93 163.5 985 169 6.69 18.50 11.81 15.12 @ 90.87

cheers

STEVE

nisr227

I was waiting for someone to comment on the Fiat Coupe!....i've actually been using that as a demo car for the formulars becuase I know their aerodynamics are good above 60mph and new it was out!

I'm working on aerodynamic formulas where I can increase the terminal speed somewhat. Basically I have a mate designing a calculator with this added. It will asking if the car has poor, average (its default like above) or excellent aerodynamics and caclulate it accordingly. Its a simple idea but should be effective, eg...adding say 4mph to the fiat coupe term speed it comes up with:

220 1307 171 6.62 16.00 9.39 15.00 @ 97.29

increasing bhp to 240bhp gives
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 240 1307 187 6.20 14.58 8.38 14.56 @ 100.43

which is closer. Contrary to what people say, it obviously puts it power down well for a fwd car to hit 60 near 6secs!

Carlos The Jackel

Hi nisr227, just for your comparason my AP22 (peformance meter) times are usually around 0-60 7.1secs 0-100 17secs. The Williams gearing makes it nigh on impossible to get under 7 secs to 60. You need to hit 3rd to get to 60

My peak power and torque seem to be in different revs than when new so that may bu66er up any comparason. My car is still standard tho.



[Edited by Carlos The Jackel - 7/23/2003 10:51:13 PM]

dave20vt

"Contrary to what people say, it obviously puts it power down well for a fwd car to hit 60 near 6secs!"

the car limits boost in 1st and 2nd gear, also has a viscous coupling, to make both wheels spin at the same time, so on dry road works quite well, in wet roads just good fun!

those last stats sound about spot on!

dave

nisr227

Yeah, Clio Williams are pretty quick (I know someone who has a 180bhp tuned one on many trackdays) but i've tested one of acceleration meters on my Pulsar and thought the figures were too quick for my spec, and compared to what I acheived at the pod and airfields on many occasions. Great fun though, especially comparing friends cars and when you've done before and after mods.

The 1/4miles figures are the more accurate becuase you will always have gearing etc to contend with that effect the 60 figures.

nisr227

Dave, what I can also do is amend your figures so it is correct for your car with 220bhp, and then add various bhp to show the effect...all provinding you can get the power down...

(ignore the 0-60 times, but the 0-100 and 1/4miles should be OK)

Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 220 1307 171 6.12 14.58 8.46 14.50 @ 100.21
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 240 1307 187 5.70 13.25 7.55 14.06 @ 103.53
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 250 1307 194 5.52 12.69 7.17 13.87 @ 105.06
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 260 1307 202 5.36 12.19 6.84 13.70 @ 106.52
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 270 1307 210 5.21 11.74 6.54 13.54 @ 107.90
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 280 1307 218 5.07 11.34 6.27 13.39 @ 109.22
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 290 1307 225 4.95 10.97 6.02 13.26 @ 110.48
Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 300 1307 233 4.84 10.64 5.80 13.14 @ 111.67

Andy S.

We have a single seater hillclimb car made from carbon fibre rear wheel drive 242BHP at rear wheels on the rolling road weight of 262Kg what figures will this achieve?

dave20vt

Thanks for that mate, looks good!

i did see a coupe 20vt, with 350bhp, with racelogic traction system, with a recorded 0-60 of 4.3 secs,

i think any car that can do 0-100 in 10 secs is going to feel very,very fast.

its quite easy to get coop to 270/280, chip,exhaust,air filter.

dave

nisr227

Andy...

Single Seater 242 262 938 3.41 8.66 5.25 11.77 @ 117.16

242bhp at the wheels...whats that at the flywheel?

nisr227

I know Dave, i've spent alot of time reading the Coupe Forum, I'm seriously thinking of getting one (the plus version) as my next car becuase the Pulsar just costs too much to run and the Coupe has good mpg when taking it easy. Its just the fact of the handling but I know you can improve that.

the 350bhp Coupe comes up as..

Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo 00 350 1307 272 4.40 9.35 4.95 12.65 @ 116.90



[Edited by nisr227 - 7/23/2003 11:52:20 PM]

Andy S.

Its shows you what a single seater body and super soft slick tyres make in reality it has been timed at 1.9s to 60.
We dont have a powerfigure at the flywheel as it is a 1600cc hayabusa engine we will have a dyno figure in approx two weeks as SBD are fitting a new ECU to the car again this will still be the power after it has gone through the gearbox.

nisr227

Fast car then andy. I've set the formula up for normal road tyres, as mentioned on the first post, it allows for increased wheel spin, even on rwd with that sort of bhp per ton.

BUT if I amend the 60 by 1.5sec to allow for better grip with slicks to 1.9 secs, then all the other come in line as.......

Single Seater 242 262 938 1.91 5.87 3.96 10.27 @ 132.92

Bike peformance!

Andy S.

Well it is only 40kgs heavier than the bike and it goes round corners like nothing else on this earth. Did you see any of the coverage off Goodwood on TV the car that got the fastest time including all the F1 cars was Grahame Wrights hillclimb single seater, with a german touring car 2.5ltr V6 engine in.

dave20vt

Iam glad you like the coop, mission successful, another one converted to the darkside!

the 350 version calc, looks spot on compared to the real life one

dave

nisr227

Power per weight, simple as that. No I missed the Goodwood program!

You could always fit a turbo conversion like they do to the bike versions, should have more of an effect becuase it would pull a wheelie when the turbo kicked in all the time. Wouldn't be very drivable though.

Pity it can't enter TOTB2.

Nikko2

What Does a new Astra GSI give.

200BHP
1275KG
FWD

john banks

What would 470 BHP and 1235kg 4WD do by your calculations?

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

Yeah, it's the easiest & quickest source for all this info, but there's always gonna be mistakes!



[quote]I'll amend the Rallye data, afterall I do own a 306 Gti-6 (and 300bhp Gti-R)so want its data correct![quote]

Good choice of cars sir.



I still don't agree though...

AP22 said 0-60 in 6.64secs

York dragway said 1/4 mile in 15.2secs @ 91mph in standard road trim and 14.7secs @ 93mph with it stripped out (not fully), with a standard car apart from a panel filter.


Similar times for my mates Rallye to, so mine aint just an odd one!

Theory aint always right.

Rich D

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Sloooooooow Nick! :P

Power-to-weight ratio is 157bhp/tonne so less than my little Clio!

Nikko2

The Westfield would see you off though. :P

Rich D

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Damn yooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuu!


Yeah, my mate has a Honda Blackbird powered Westfield and it is f*cking rapid!!!

nisr227

Rich, fair enough, but those times are so quick for a Rallye. York strip is obviously very quick, must see if I can beat my best Pulsars's 12.76sec (Santapod) there some time. I still don't see where, theory, or no theory, the Rallye gets its speed from over a 6, unless the the BHP is more or the weight even less than you said. Most of the hot hatches, 6 speed or not, are not that far out compared to the theory figures, so what makes the Rallye so quick? Maybe they produce more when "well run in"?

Might starting running my 6 up some strips too. I'll recheck the figures using the rwd formula, to see what it comes up with, this allows for less wheel spin than fwd, it will reduce the time somewhat.

Have you had your car on a rolling road, I would be interested to see whats its doing BHP wise? I've heard that the GTi-6 engines in fact push closer to 155 (what they quote for the S16) instead of the quoted 167, which confuses me even more.

Anway, Re the other requests, I'm at work at the moment so i'll have a look when I get home tonight.