Honda Civic Type Rs
08 June 2003, 12:21 PM
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My local Honda dealership are offereing a special in-house modded version of the CTR (to cater for the lazier boy-racer). Being bored yesterday I took one out for a test drive. And tbh it failed to impress. The requirements of being >6.3k revs to be in the power band (i.e. the VTEC) meant that its impossible to really enjoy the power (~225-240bhp on the CTRs, they havent RR'd it yet) w/o driving it in a license losing fashion. The noise is goddamn awful and I didn't get on with Honda's fancy electronic steering, kept catching me out. Plus can anyone say tourque steer? Man I really wouldn't like to drive that car in the wet.
Oh and it looks like a "max-powered" civic.
That said its not a bad car, in fact its quite fun and quite nice, and it would make a fantastic car to hoon around a (dry) track on. But for the real world there is just too many better options for that kind of money. (The CTRs comes in at ~£18K) For that sort of money you're in the brackt to be buying a WRX or if you want to try and match that power how about a chipped LCR for about £17.5k? it's cheaper, more powerful, more comfy, comes with switchable traction control and climate control (another grand if you want air-con on the CTRs!). Plus judging by the mods they did to get the civic to the levels it is at in the CTRs the LCR has waaay more tuning potential.
Such a shame to see Honda not producing the goods.
Oh and it looks like a "max-powered" civic.
That said its not a bad car, in fact its quite fun and quite nice, and it would make a fantastic car to hoon around a (dry) track on. But for the real world there is just too many better options for that kind of money. (The CTRs comes in at ~£18K) For that sort of money you're in the brackt to be buying a WRX or if you want to try and match that power how about a chipped LCR for about £17.5k? it's cheaper, more powerful, more comfy, comes with switchable traction control and climate control (another grand if you want air-con on the CTRs!). Plus judging by the mods they did to get the civic to the levels it is at in the CTRs the LCR has waaay more tuning potential.
Such a shame to see Honda not producing the goods.
08 June 2003, 01:55 PM
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Yes, i see poeople trying to get us CTR owners to do this modd or that. Fact is that i feel that Honda have got all that is worth having out of the R Motor. Yes you can make more power but at higher revs.
I feel that all thing taken into accout the CTR is about right. If anything it needs a more mid range. We will have to wait for "cam less" motors for that.
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I feel that all thing taken into accout the CTR is about right. If anything it needs a more mid range. We will have to wait for "cam less" motors for that.
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08 June 2003, 03:27 PM
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For that sort of money you're in the brackt to be buying a WRX
08 June 2003, 04:11 PM
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and is it really any better?
CTR is a very good car, and demolishes a lot of the opposition IMHO, but for me the steering feel, and lack of LSD is what lets the car down, certainly not performance.
I don't drive either fortunatly
CTR is a very good car, and demolishes a lot of the opposition IMHO, but for me the steering feel, and lack of LSD is what lets the car down, certainly not performance.
I don't drive either fortunatly
08 June 2003, 05:20 PM
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Yeah, my saab 93 (never mind my scoob) out gunned one off a roundabout, he had to drop down a gear I guess, but by then my 185bhp had wafted me away nicely.
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My little bro's just swapped his ATR for a CTR. Noticably quicker in a straight line - ignoring the launch, it'd give my STi a run for its money in a straight line. Needs an LSD though - it's not standard equipment and, basically, you can't corner and accelerate at the same time; attempts to do so result in wheelspin and understeer, which is a shame 'cause that was the one thing which the ATR did very, very well for a FWD car.
09 June 2003, 09:58 AM
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Yeah, my saab 93 (never mind my scoob) out gunned one off a roundabout, he had to drop down a gear I guess, but by then my 185bhp had wafted me away nicely.
09 June 2003, 07:19 PM
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The CTR dosent torque steer, even my MINI with more power doesn't are you sure your not confusing it with wheelspin ??
Audi S3 is far more expensive, not very fast, far too soft and has even less steering feel than the CTR, not a competitor IMO..
Audi S3 is far more expensive, not very fast, far too soft and has even less steering feel than the CTR, not a competitor IMO..
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Performance does not match a Scooby in wet but on the dry, in the twisty roads or on small track it easily equals an Impreza with I think an additional fun factor.
The engine is addictive, the gearbox is fantastic, pretty weightless in its category and it’s quite easy to make it oversteered. Its comportment reminds me a Saxo or a 106 GTI. About the electronic steering, I must agree that it's not the best to get the feeling of the road but it does not take time to get use to it. Performance and price, the CTR is one of the best. What you get more is fun! Now I guess it’s a matter of test. If not, every one would get the same car. It would be so boring…
The engine is addictive, the gearbox is fantastic, pretty weightless in its category and it’s quite easy to make it oversteered. Its comportment reminds me a Saxo or a 106 GTI. About the electronic steering, I must agree that it's not the best to get the feeling of the road but it does not take time to get use to it. Performance and price, the CTR is one of the best. What you get more is fun! Now I guess it’s a matter of test. If not, every one would get the same car. It would be so boring…
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