f1_fan

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Petrol sales decrease by 20% over 5 years

So doing a little rough calculation shows the government's total tax revenue is actually lower now than in 2007.... the Leffer curve in action!!

chocolate_o_brian

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I don't think the escalator under Labour helped.

Right, now I've blamed it on the previous government... carry on

dpb

And diesel?

EddScott

This - would be interesting to see if diesel is down too.

It had to happen eventually.

Only thing left for the government would be to raise income tax.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Diesel is up

f1_fan

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Diesel is up, but that's kind of the point. People are being forced into looking for cheaper alternatives... smaller cars, diesel cars or cycling and walking.

Not saying it's a bad thing at all.... just makes me laugh that the government is losing out

f1_fan

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Except the fuel duty escalator was introduced by the Tories.... Labour just kept on rolling with it.

A fact conveniently forgotten by the NSR Tory Massive (not necessarily you COB)

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Prepare to see road tax hiked to compensate!

urban

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Another good reason why new car sales are fcuked, unless you want a puddle hopper

SRSport

We'll be the ones that will lose out.

dpb

Just about every newish car I see on the road.

Exception being chavettes in range rovers, desperate to appear well offf

Rbon91

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If for just one day the uk population didn't buy any fuel as protest to government on pricing. That should wake the pockets up!!! And could stop them ripping us all off.. One day for us all just to take day off or walk to work not buy a litre of fuel.

dpb

Cleary you must believe this excessive pricing goes straight into Georges back pocket


Or the EU or something.....

Rbon91

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Well all this fuel and road tax increase not much actually happening... Country just getting in more and more debt and road conditions worse than ever around me..

Gear Head

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You forgot to add the most important factor to make that work....nobody can use their cars!

If you put off filling up for a day, the same amount will be spent, just a day later. So this will only work if people don't use their cars for that particular day....which isn't going to happen.

Rbon91

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Thought of all that...
Be a idea. But not enough people to make it matter would go for it

Gear Head

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Mate, it really would make sod all difference.

urban

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Yep

chocolate_o_brian

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Hahaha, gotcha

I knew the Conservatives introduced it, Chris

It was a bluff to get a bite and to start fur-filling the anti-labour quota of posts


In seriousness though, cars are more economical now for the masses, diesel is preferred for the daily hack (me included) and people look to alternative transport (again me included on the pushbike, weather permitting).

But I still like to blame labour where possible

alcazar

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"Lying Labour"....at least get their name right....

Matteeboy

I sometimes wonder how much more economical cars REALLY are. Yes emissions appear better but I bet its easy to manipulate them. But cars are generally getting heavier and seem to be getting taller so less aerodynamic.

The diesel thing irks me too; find something diesels do "better" (low CO2), make them more appealing to fleet buyers, then whack the tax on them up to vicious levels.

I like the way a good diesel (5 pot or more) but 99% are hateful little rattle boxes that stink.

Luan Pra bang

Loads of diesels get nowhere near the manufacturers mpg though, BMW being the worse culprit for this. strangely my 2000 astra estate 1.7 cdti does so many MPG that I first thought the fuel gauge was broken.

billythekid

I wonder how RFL income is looking too.
I bet its down. The majority of new cars are in the lower bands. Heck you can even get a Porsche 911 thats under the top band.

zip106

RFL bands are all bolloxed anyway - I've a 2.5 ton pick-up with a $hitty Diesel engine that struggles to do 28mpg, and doesn't have a DPF, that costs me £130 pa in RFL, because its 'clean'.....

Then a petrol engined Porsche that does only slightly less mpg and only costs £100 pa more.

Utter madness...

Leslie

It is true what they say then. If you keep sticking extra taxes on an item then eventually less will be sold and you will actually get less tax in the end.

Les

Matteeboy

Zip; I did find paying £460 a year for our two tonne, 122bhp, slow as a glacier Defender a bit annoying.

Much less than half for the 2.6 tonne, 180bhp camper. About the same for the 1.7 tonne 304bhp BM.

As you say, random.

alcazar

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My Astra CDTi has just averaged 51.2mpg from Scunny to Limoges via Hull, Zeebrugge and Paris outer ring road.

It was so heavily packed I could barely see out of the back window.

I did use the cruise control for long periods, mind.

Oh, and diesel here is currently €1.35, which is £1.17 a litre at current rates.

Diesel is STILL 25-30 cents a litre cheaper than petrol.

chocolate_o_brian

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Ask Jeff (he was dubious) but on a recent 313 mile round trip to Milton Keynes and back I actually got MORE than the manufacture states on my Citroen Xsara coupe derv. 60.3mpg doing 60mph all the way. Citroen say 54mpg extra urban

That's why I sold the Impreza (and the worsening image).

andy97

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I have my own petrol station just for my 6.2 V8 petrol vehicle, happily does 17mpg and 4mpg in town

speedking

But with a diesel used only for short runs you have to offset the cheaper fuel costs against the cost of a new DPF every so often