Flipping Osborne ... Flipping Tories ... Flipping Toffs!!
26 November 2012, 12:03 PM
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Flipping Osborne ... Flipping Tories ... Flipping Toffs!!
From the Telegraph:-
The Chancellor, George Osborne, has demonstrated how to play the parlimentary expenses system by turning a £400K profit on his second home
"The farmhouse featured in The Daily Telegraph’s expose of MPs’ expenses in 2009 when it emerged that Mr Osborne had “flipped” his second home allowance onto the property and increased the mortgage.
He took out a separate £450,000 mortgage on the Cheshire farmhouse in 2003 – reportedly guaranteed by his rich Daddy, Sir Peter Osborne, founder of the Osborne & Little wallpaper chain.....................
...............and claimed £100,000 on the property between 2003 and 2009 on his MPs’ expensees."
And the odds that this super flipper will fix our nation's finances are ... ?
I'm spitting mad at this ....... sack the fecking lot of them Toffy Nosed Tories!!!
The Chancellor, George Osborne, has demonstrated how to play the parlimentary expenses system by turning a £400K profit on his second home
"The farmhouse featured in The Daily Telegraph’s expose of MPs’ expenses in 2009 when it emerged that Mr Osborne had “flipped” his second home allowance onto the property and increased the mortgage.
He took out a separate £450,000 mortgage on the Cheshire farmhouse in 2003 – reportedly guaranteed by his rich Daddy, Sir Peter Osborne, founder of the Osborne & Little wallpaper chain.....................
...............and claimed £100,000 on the property between 2003 and 2009 on his MPs’ expensees."
And the odds that this super flipper will fix our nation's finances are ... ?
I'm spitting mad at this ....... sack the fecking lot of them Toffy Nosed Tories!!!
26 November 2012, 12:30 PM
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Indeed Pete, I would want such an astute financial mastermind to be managing our country's economy back to health after the damage caused by the ineptitude of the previous Labour government. 
26 November 2012, 12:35 PM
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I agree Pete, trouble is none of them in any of the major parties are any different. All self serving greed driven career politicians interested soley in feathering their own nest! Why anyone wastes any breath on Tory this and Labour that is anyone's guess these days as they are all exactly the same!
26 November 2012, 12:42 PM
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I agree Pete, trouble is none of them in any of the major parties are any different. All self serving greed driven career politicians interested soley in feathering their own nest! Why anyone wastes any breath on Tory this and Labour that is anyone's guess these days as they are all exactly the same!
Absolutely totally agree
26 November 2012, 01:03 PM
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I agree Pete, trouble is none of them in any of the major parties are any different. All self serving greed driven career politicians interested soley in feathering their own nest! Why anyone wastes any breath on Tory this and Labour that is anyone's guess these days as they are all exactly the same!
If the government are 'solely interested in feathering their own nests' then I'd guess that you'd actually have loads and loads of evidence to support the claim?
Politics are important and we get the politicians and the kind of system we ask for!
Sorry to pick on your job post, but glib unsubstantiated, illogical comments like this are starting to annoy me
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26 November 2012, 01:18 PM
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His Father and Mother are the Masterminds ........... not this pathetic 'boy' ...
26 November 2012, 01:30 PM
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Obviously not - that just constitutes circumstantial tittle-tattle
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OK I know this makes a fine sound-bite, but is this really the case?
If the government are 'solely interested in feathering their own nests' then I'd guess that you'd actually have loads and loads of evidence to support the claim?
Politics are important and we get the politicians and the kind of system we ask for!
Sorry to pick on your job post, but glib unsubstantiated, illogical comments like this are starting to annoy me
If the government are 'solely interested in feathering their own nests' then I'd guess that you'd actually have loads and loads of evidence to support the claim?
Politics are important and we get the politicians and the kind of system we ask for!
Sorry to pick on your job post, but glib unsubstantiated, illogical comments like this are starting to annoy me
You need to look no further than the fact that all senior politicians get richer by a factor many times greater than their salary as a result of being a politician.
And then there's the expenses scandal.... not one of them is sorry for what they did, just sorry they got caught! A fact emphasised by their insistence of the introduction of a new law on the grounds of anti terrorism that means they don't have to name who they are renting properties from!
Then there is the wastage - for instance hiow much has the Leveson Enquiry cost? And now they are saying if the results are not what they wnat to hear they will ignore it. Why? because it doesn't suit them to have to actually do things, that's why?
Police Commisioner Elections - more jobs for the boys! Spend loads of money on a nonsense election and now spend loads more money investigating why it was a failure to be seen to be doing the right thing!
Been happening for years - the ERM for instance - spend billions chasing something that was already dead but that allowed 25 millionaire mates to be created overnight!
Cash for questions, MPs on company boards, backhander deals that have seen them sacked or even sent to prison etc. etc.
Name one major policy that the Tories have introduced this term that has a) been implemented fully or b) met the government's targets!
Labour were the same, taking us into wars we had no right to be in .. think of those defence contracts though
It's all talk, talk, talk and nest feathering!
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Define, 'people like me'? Do you mean people that like to use logic?
Evidence?
What did this have to do with the government?
Evidence?
Silly idea granted, but not sure how this can be used as an example of corruption
Evidence?
What does this have to do with the government?
How does this make them self-serving, or nest feathering?
Now that really is just pure fantasy
You need to look no further than the fact that all senior politicians get richer by a factor many times greater than their salary as a result of being a politician.
And then there's the expenses scandal.... not one of them is sorry for what they did, just sorry they got caught! A fact emphasised by their insistence of the introduction of a new law on the grounds of anti terrorism that means they don't have to name who they are renting properties from!
Then there is the wastage - for instance hiow much has the Leveson Enquiry cost? And now they are saying if the results are not what they wnat to hear they will ignore it. Why? because it doesn't suit them to have to actually do things, that's why?
Police Commisioner Elections - more jobs for the boys! Spend loads of money on a nonsense election and now spend loads more money investigating why it was a failure to be seen to be doing the right thing!
Been happening for years - the ERM for instance - spend billions chasing something that was already dead but that allowed 25 millionaire mates to be created overnight!
Cash for questions, MPs on company boards, backhander deals that have seen them sacked or even sent to prison etc. etc.
Name one major policy that the Tories have introduced this term that has a) been implemented fully or b) met the government's targets!
Labour were the same, taking us into wars we had no right to be in .. think of those defence contracts though
It's all talk, talk, talk and nest feathering!
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Look you seem to want to believe that politicians aren't self serving nest featherers, but can't conclusively prove they're not and I believe that they are, but I can't conclusively prove that.
It's called opinion and mine is based on what I see and hear them do combined with extrapolating that to the fact we probably only scrape the surface of their shenanigans. Yours is based on ... well I don't know, but it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
This is a discussion board where opinions are proffered and hence I can write what I consider to be my opinion of politicians. You didn't like any of the examples given.... fair enough, but let's leave it there as this will go nowhere.... I will not be changing my opinion in any way any time soon!
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You seem to assume that I have a 'beloved government' that is totally wrong, and therefore I will 'propose' (purport??) so i will 'go there'
No wrong again - and how the hell would you expect me to prove this?
Surely an opinion, has to be based upon some kind of rational thought process, based at least in part upon fact and reason?
Ain't that the truth.
Look you seem to want to believe that politicians aren't self serving nest featherers, but can't conclusively prove they're not and I believe that they are, but I can't conclusively prove that.
It's called opinion and mine is based on what I see and hear them do combined with extrapolating that to the fact we probably only scrape the surface of their shenanigans. Yours is based on ... well I don't know, but it is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I will not be changing my opinion in any way any time soon!
26 November 2012, 03:29 PM
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There used to be a time when a politician was a man to be trusted by the electorate regardless of his colours.
I back F! Man in his general ideas about our present day politicians who have largely turned out to be in the game to further themselves at all costs. They are there now only to slavishly follow the policies of their own party regardless of whether those policies are in fact good for the people rather than for political capital for their own party or themselves for that matter. They are all voted in by their constituents to represent the needs of their own constituency and to govern the country. Seems to be precious little of that happening these days,from the leaders downwards in fact.
They gave the lie to their personal honesty of course when the expenses scandal broke and we saw for ourselves how so many of them were fiddling the system to make money out of us hand over fist. It is even more upsetting when we see some recent examples showing that they are still at it...in spades!
If they feel untrusted, then thay have only got themselves to blame and it wil, be very difficult for them to earn the trust of the people of this country again.
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I back F! Man in his general ideas about our present day politicians who have largely turned out to be in the game to further themselves at all costs. They are there now only to slavishly follow the policies of their own party regardless of whether those policies are in fact good for the people rather than for political capital for their own party or themselves for that matter. They are all voted in by their constituents to represent the needs of their own constituency and to govern the country. Seems to be precious little of that happening these days,from the leaders downwards in fact.
They gave the lie to their personal honesty of course when the expenses scandal broke and we saw for ourselves how so many of them were fiddling the system to make money out of us hand over fist. It is even more upsetting when we see some recent examples showing that they are still at it...in spades!
If they feel untrusted, then thay have only got themselves to blame and it wil, be very difficult for them to earn the trust of the people of this country again.
Les
26 November 2012, 03:50 PM
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You may want to believe in our political system whereas I think it is completely broken!
26 November 2012, 04:28 PM
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I wouldn't take an English lesson from me either, I just wanted to be clear on what you meant
Except it is incredibly difficult to prove a something is not true. Effectively you are asking me to prove the facts that you haven't offered are not facts...quite difficult i'd say
There's a party?
The same way you expect me to prove the converse
Let me know when you can join the party on this rather than just proffering opinion as if it were fact
You may want to believe in our political system whereas I think it is completely broken!
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There used to be a time when a politician was a man to be trusted by the electorate regardless of his colours.
I back F! Man in his general ideas about our present day politicians who have largely turned out to be in the game to further themselves at all costs. They are there now only to slavishly follow the policies of their own party regardless of whether those policies are in fact good for the people rather than for political capital for their own party or themselves for that matter. They are all voted in by their constituents to represent the needs of their own constituency and to govern the country. Seems to be precious little of that happening these days,from the leaders downwards in fact.
They gave the lie to their personal honesty of course when the expenses scandal broke and we saw for ourselves how so many of them were fiddling the system to make money out of us hand over fist. It is even more upsetting when we see some recent examples showing that they are still at it...in spades!
If they feel untrusted, then thay have only got themselves to blame and it wil, be very difficult for them to earn the trust of the people of this country again.
Les
I back F! Man in his general ideas about our present day politicians who have largely turned out to be in the game to further themselves at all costs. They are there now only to slavishly follow the policies of their own party regardless of whether those policies are in fact good for the people rather than for political capital for their own party or themselves for that matter. They are all voted in by their constituents to represent the needs of their own constituency and to govern the country. Seems to be precious little of that happening these days,from the leaders downwards in fact.
They gave the lie to their personal honesty of course when the expenses scandal broke and we saw for ourselves how so many of them were fiddling the system to make money out of us hand over fist. It is even more upsetting when we see some recent examples showing that they are still at it...in spades!
If they feel untrusted, then thay have only got themselves to blame and it wil, be very difficult for them to earn the trust of the people of this country again.
Les
26 November 2012, 05:47 PM
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I am of the mind anyone who harbours ambition to be a politician is not qualified for the job. The expenses scandal has proved and is proving that the majority of our elected leaders are sycophantic leeches who view the electorate as 'plebs'.
27 November 2012, 03:16 PM
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If you are incapable of making sensible comment then you would do better to wind your neck in!
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The point was trying to make was; if all WE have to offer is cynicism then we may as well give up
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Please can you explain where I was being cynical in my original post. It all seems like a straight statement of fact to me.
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Also I don't like the way you see the whole area of politics as a pantomime with easily recognisable 'goodies' and 'baddies'.
I cannot reconcile your musings with the real world, where things are so rarely black and white, right or wrong. Politics is full of nuance and incredibly difficult decisions, you just ant to simplify it down to whether the decision maker was a 'goodie' (usually a Tory), or a baddie (always a non-Tory). Then you define the policy or decision on the basis of who made the decision.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NECK TO CALL YOURSELF APOLITICAL!!!
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I'd say 95% of your posts are an object lesson in cynicism.
Also I don't like the way you see the whole area of politics as a pantomime with easily recognisable 'goodies' and 'baddies'.
I cannot reconcile your musings with the real world, where things are so rarely black and white, right or wrong. Politics is full of nuance and incredibly difficult decisions, you just ant to simplify it down to whether the decision maker was a 'goodie' (usually a Tory), or a baddie (always a non-Tory). Then you define the policy or decision on the basis of who made the decision.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NECK TO CALL YOURSELF APOLITICAL!!!
Also I don't like the way you see the whole area of politics as a pantomime with easily recognisable 'goodies' and 'baddies'.
I cannot reconcile your musings with the real world, where things are so rarely black and white, right or wrong. Politics is full of nuance and incredibly difficult decisions, you just ant to simplify it down to whether the decision maker was a 'goodie' (usually a Tory), or a baddie (always a non-Tory). Then you define the policy or decision on the basis of who made the decision.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NECK TO CALL YOURSELF APOLITICAL!!!
I suggest that you look back at my posts so that you can see whether I do in fact favour a particular political party. You might get a surprise!
Do you actually understand the meaning of the word "Apolitical"?
Les