http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...mes-trial.html

Should the death penalty be reinstated?

Imagine your loved ones being in that situation.......

and this is meant to be "civilised Europe"

 

You complain that Europe isn't civilised and in the same post infer that the death penalty should be re-introduced.

I was sicken by that story 20 years ago, the ripples 20 years later as individuals are convicted of war crimes doesn't do anything for me.... all a day late and a dollar short.

 

For murder - actual murder, not manslaughter, death.
Pedos, death or castration - their choice.
Thieves, Rapists, dealers - all in Stocks in the middle of town for days depending on severity.

Nothing stops crime like a deterent.

 

The bigger the deterrent the more risks criminals will take so they aren't caught... make prisons deterrents, rather than the holiday camps they are.

 

Certainty of getting caught is a bigger deterrent than severity of punishment

 

A "severe punishment" is certainly a deterrent. If someone knew for sure they could be killed for a certain action, this is enough to put someone off an action. Imo it acts as a protection and blanket for the wider society.

 

Not really. It may put some people off, but so might the idea of being locked up for life. Some people would just chance it regardless of the potential punishment, hence why people still kill in American states that have the death penalty.

 

Well said, prisoners should forgo any human rights in prison and as for getting tv with sky

 

Are prisons 'holiday camps', or is this just another Dail Mail myth?

 

Just watch Gordon Ramsey's programme about cooking in prisons... where all inmates are "Customers" - have a choice of 3 meals everyday, a tv and typically a games console. They opening call it a break/holiday if they get time.

Prisons don't work.

 

Many murders are committed by people with mental health problems which society is very poor at dealing with. Would it be right to hang them?

There was that woman yesterday sent down for 22 years for stabbing some poor kid to death in a park as a completely random act. Jury refused to accept that she had a mental problem. Struck me as odd although I don't know the case details.

dl

 

Agreed . They don't work.
I have done a wee stretch and it was a rest tbh .
And that was a cat a.

 

Is there a noddy train and a knobbly knees contest?

 

Yes, there is.

 

The prison population is c98k isn't it with only 100k places available, wonder why Judges seem reluctant to send people down

I agree with the DP if something can be caste iron proven ie the gunning down of innocents in front of many many witnesses - that chap who murdered the kids on the island recently for example.

TX.

 

According to the Justice departments weekly figures for 6th July, the population is 86452 with a useable operational capacity of 90179.

http://www.justice.gov.uk/statistics...lation-figures.

Of course the problem is Government not spending enough on prison places for the level of crime we have, hence all the ASBO and tagging rubbish we've had over the last 10 years. However the OP comment is about death penalty. Why not have a referendum on it? Or is it like the EU where we'll give the "wrong" answer....?

 

With prisons so full surely that is an indicator that the penal system is NOT working. Its obviously not a deterrent. If they get "FULL" will murders get a slap on the wrist because the government cannot accommodate any more visitors?

 

I like the cutting off fingers method.. But this country will probably cut them off and then compensate them with houses and £26k a year!

 

Maybe we should also have a referendum on whether we should pay tax

 

I hear this old chestnut so many times I can barely motivate myself to answer it but you never know...

So the uk is commonly held to "send all these people to jail init" or the UK has "the highest prison pop /head general pop in Europe". Well there's a good reason for that, we have the highest levels of crime. You see that's how we send people to jail, they commit crimes, we sentence them, job done. To measure the severity of use of prison you need to look at the ratio of the number of prisoners to the number of crimes committed. And that's where it gets interesting, because it turns out the the UK has one of the SOFTEST prison sentencing policies in the world... Theres a good inverse correlation between the number of recorded crimes per 100000 pop and severity of prison use. (Old figures I know but I've stopped collecting this data any more through frustration)

http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/prisonPopEU2007.htm

So once again the answer is to build more prison places and lock up more people for longer.

 

Sorry, no cigar old boy. Society can function with or without a death penalty, but no modern society can function without taxation. Even I agree with taxation, I just think it should be lower, not zero.

Or do you think democracy is a bad idea, because the plebs are too stupid to think for themselves? They need someone of your intellectual standing to "make the right decisions for them" maybe? I'm sure that model got tried once....

 

maybe key is asking why we have the highest levels of crime in Europe

surely that is a better long term solution than simply building more prisons

so shouldn't we be asking

what countries in Europe have lower rates of crime, and why is that

onviosuly bearing in mind simple statistics (whatever they show) tell only a partial story

 

just put a 50 ft wall around Wales, escape from New York style. Problem solved. throw them in and let them fend for themselves. if they kill each other who gives a ****? scum anyway.

 

Thought I'd made it clear, its because we don't lock up criminals, so they run around committing more crime. Because there is no incentive for them not to. Because they get away with it. Don't know how to make this clearer for you I'm afraid...? This effect is obvious in the repeat offending figures, the people getting locked up have large numbers of previous

 

so european countries with lower crimes rates should have a higher (relative) prision population

 

Nah we should use Ireland instead of Wales

 

What'll we do about Guinness?? - more than happy with the Jedward/Westlife situation though

 

I'm actually not dead set against a referendum - although I fear that pandering to populist issues like this can be an unhealthy practice.
If we did vote in the DP, nothing would actually change, prisons would still be full, murders would still be committed and crime would continue...THAT's the main reason why it make no sense to me to do an immoral thing, for no clear benefit

 

Hadn't considered that aspect!!! Maybe we can move production to Wales

 

all for it, think of the saved money from killing the likes of Ian Huntley kept in segregation at massive costs, would save millions!