22BUK

says Tory MP

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-suggests.html

pslewis

If they cannot perform up to the level of an able bodied then they should get paid less - I cannot see anything wrong in that.

Of course, they should still get the minimum wage or the wage for the job they carry out - if they can match an able bodied in output then they should receive the same pay.

dunx

iTrader: (3)

We have a 20 stone wheelchair user at work, in the event of a fire how do we spare three people to load "her" into an evac. chair ?

I also laughed when told "she" is going to an outward bound centre to help... this being a WW I camp with zero year two thousand "PC" disabled access compliance, no showers, no lifts, no toilets, no transport, and hundred year old iron bunk beds.

So the tax payer will have to provide special transport to and from the site, and once there what useful purpose can "she" perform ?

PC gone mad !

dunx

P.S. I have no problem with qualified staff being paid to scale. Nor with people using their skills to benefit the community.

DYK

20 stone what type of wheelchair is he/she using then,it must be a big strong wheelchair..

Hysteria1983

Well, everyone should get minimum wage, I see no harm in peop,e getting that, at the end of the day, if they can do the job properly, they should get paid for it. If they can't, then they shouldn't be in that position. If compromises need to be made, then this needs to be taken into consideration, and if the job isn't suitable then if for nothing else than for their own health and safety, they shouldn't be doing the job.

Something tells me this possibly won't happen, as it might be a bit tricky when deciding who's a little bit disabled, or not quite disabled enough or definitely disabled and needs to be payed or pay lowered accordingly.
What sort of a freaky grading system would have to be used?

Chip

Lets be honest about this. If you were an employer with a small business and you have 2 applicants for the same job and one is disabled which one are you going to take. I'd like to think it would be the disabled one but in reality it aint going to happen. Therefore if they did offer their services for a little less then maybe they would be in with a better chance of getting the job.




Chip

Hysteria1983

That's a fair point. They must know that they are going to be at a disadvantage, so maybe it would make a difference.

Midlife......

iTrader: (2)

Interestingly, the Equality Comission have been known to pay female and disabled people less than males and the able bodied.

The MP tried to make the point on radio 4 yesterday but for some reason it was ignored......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10335437

Shaun

Petem95

Nobody wants to be disabled, and anyone here could end up becoming a 'disabled person' through no fault of their own - ie getting hit by a car etc.

I don't think people should pretend that they are going to be as productive as an able bodied person as in most cases they won't be - but you can't just throw them on the scrap heap.

IMO employers should get tax relief for employing people are who are registered disabled, but they should receive the same min wage.

Jamz3k

The minimum wage is the minimum wage. No one who works should earn under the minimum wage, heck in my opinion no one should earn the minimum wage as it isn't quite earning, its just working so you can afford to keep going to work.

A disabled person doing the same job as an abled person should get the same pay end of. It's not being "PC" it's just being reasonablely fair.

bigsinky

so a disabled person whose productivity is 50% less than their able bodied colleague should get paid the same? bollocks. the able bodied wouldn't stand for it

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Depends on the job, the person, the disability and a whole host of other factors, disability is a broad concept ranging from someone with arthritis to someone with Cerebral Palsy who cannot walk or talk, thing can be adapted and sometimes people with disabilities evolve ways of coping which sometimes mean they are as productive if not more so because they put time into working out how to automate things, for example macros to do certain tasks on a computer.

If someone who is disabled can work and contribute then they should do, for their own satisfaction and self respect but really we need to get the fat, lazy and indolent section of the population first.

tony de wonderful

Why are they so fat?

Jamz3k

If they are 50% less productive then clearly the HR team haven't chosen the right person for the job. That is not the disabled persons fault.

Jamz3k

I am actually sitting here trying to work out how anyone could deny someone who is disabled from earning the minimum wage. It has actually slightly annoyed me.

bigsinky

at a guess, sedentary lifestyle and eating too many pies

hodgy0_2

I bet the person pushing the wheelchair is pretty fit

good idea

Pink_Floyd

Exactly It would be completely insane to employ a disabled person to carry out a job that would in theory cut their productivity to the point it was not cost effective. I think you'd find most people with a disability would accept their limitations and not apply for jobs they physically couldn't do.

There will always be the odd 'warrior' however who tries to play the discrimination card..........

DYK

Arrrr come on now,i know its early and i have had a drink.How you would feel if you was disabled..think being a bit unfair here,what's going on btw.The who are disabled are the lazy ******* who claim benefits and lay in bed allday,bloody basterds.whatever

what would scooby do

Yeah, cheap labour, if they take legal action I doubt they will have a leg to stand on.

wrxsti280

iTrader: (6)

Well said that man, i have a disabled nephew, he has muscular dystrophy, inherited gene disease that he has no control over, i would expect him to be given the same wage as an able bodied person for the short time that he would be capable of working no matter what he does, for **** sake, it,s not his fault that he wont live past twenty years old and therefore should be given whatever opportunities he can to experience life... And if that is in a paying position then he should be treat the same as any other person dong the same job.

dpb

Surely the real argument is not the physical but the mental side ie whether someone with learning difficulties is due less

hodgy0_2

surely the real argument is around what a pathetic valueless society we have become

desperate to put some sort of economic value on people with dissabilities

we deserve everything we have coming and boy do we have it coming

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Quite disheartened to read comments here....

Given the option of disabled people on the sick doing sod all, or at work, then they should be at work. Nobody works for less than minimum wage, that is why its a minimum.

Employers get subsidies for having disabled people, so there should be no issue to pay them minimum wage. And if some selfish ******* wants to complain that they are getting paid the same as him, but producing less then just remind him that if they were sat at home producing nothing then he well might not have a job at all. Unemployed people cost employed people a fortune, disabled or not.

MJW

This is by far the better way to give incentives to employers, plus having the same minimum wage as the able bodied is non-discriminatory as it should be. Unfortunately the whole idea of the scheme is to palm off the disabled from benefits as cheap labour, and if there were a cost to government such as tax relief then it would defeat the object of the policy.

fast bloke

I am self employed. I saw a client in Feb for a new mortgage. Total commissions in the products applied for would have been around 3k. Unfortunately, all the insurance was declined for health reasons. Mortgage fee was around 300 quid. Due to lender incompetence, I have probably put more than 100 hours into this, so I am getting less than 3 quid an hour. Can I make a complaint to DWP, or does it not count because I am self employed? Lets face it. The only people who actually contribute to economical growth are the self employed/employers. So as I see it, I am saving the country for 3 quid an hour. Care to prove me wrong?

GlesgaKiss

If you actually read and understand what he's saying, it's quite reasonable and is actually taking the side of disabled people.

DYK

Now that i read it can kind of see the MPs point.Still don't think it will be given the thumbs up.


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dean_gti

LOL what a crock of ****. Be funny watching half your skilled workforce walk out as well would it? You sound like a great business man.

Chip

You mean those who pay very little NI and tax compared to an employee on PAYE.

Chip