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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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This was aired throughout last week where a 5 people presented their thoughts on whether God and Dawin's theory of evolution could co-exist. Some of the views presented were very "interesting"!

http://www.4thought.tv/topics/browse...od-and-Darwin-
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 02:56 PM
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I would say so . And that Bibles quite a good story too
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:02 PM
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Yes – anything is possible, and so nothing is impossible

All you have are degrees of improbability
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:05 PM
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Yes. God created the world and anything that then happened (evolution) is His Doing...
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:10 PM
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Darwin became a Christian and believed in god afaik
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Yes – anything is possible, and so nothing is impossible

All you have are degrees of improbability
How improbable is Earth being older than 6000 years old and that evolution is an attack on God by Satan?
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:26 PM
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Our universe is actually a layer of scum floating ontop of a stagnant puddle somewhere.

The question is; did that puddle come from god taking a wee, or did it just rain?
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:31 PM
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"Is it possible to believe in God and Darwin?"

Try this:

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

I've posted it at least a half dozen times when these kinds of discussions crop-up but, it seems that nobody ever takes the time to read it. I'll try again. Let there be light.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:34 PM
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I believe in Darwin, as there are plenty of contemporary accounts of him, even some pictures, but as for God.......

So no, it isn't

As for Darwin becoming a Christian, the exact opposite is true. He eventually rejected the bible and died a non-believer.

This did cause him some personal turmoil, it has to be said.

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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:34 PM
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Of course.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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I don't believe in either, I believe in the mighty power of Beer. Without it i would never have been created and I'm pretty sure most of you lot wouldn't have been either.

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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
I believe in Darwin, as there are plenty of contemporary accounts of him, even some pictures, but as for God.......

So no, it isn't

As for Darwin becoming a Christian, the exact opposite is true. He eventually rejected the bible and died a non-believer.

This did cause him some personal turmoil, it has to be said.

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It doesn't mean he rejected Christianity on scientific grounds.

It's perfectly possible to have faith in God yet apply scientific methods to understand the natural world.

Of course one would not be a religious literalist/fundamentalist....or at least one with intergrity, but the basic meaning and truths of Christianity do not conflict with the scientific method.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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It doesn't mean he rejected Christianity on scientific grounds.

It's perfectly possible to have faith in God yet apply scientific methods to understand the natural world.

Of course one would not be a religious literalist/fundamentalist....or at least one with intergrity, but the basic meaning and truths of Christianity do not conflict with the scientific method.
Darwin did reject the bible on scientific grounds though. He went and studied theology at Cambridge and he intended to follow a ministerial path, but his belief died a death on the Beagle, and not just from observations which led to the theory of evolution, but from geological books he had read during the voyage.

His 'fall' from Christianity is well documented, as are the reasons.

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Darwin did reject the bible on scientific grounds though. He went and studied theology at Cambridge and he intended to follow a ministerial path, but his belief died a death on the Beagle, and not just from observations which led to the theory of evolution, but from geological books he had read during the voyage.

His 'fall' from Christianity is well documented, as are the reasons.

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Sure but one doesn't have to accept the Bible as being literally true to have faith.
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That wasn't the point up for discussion though.........

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Originally Posted by boxst
Yes. God created the world and anything that then happened (evolution) is His Doing...
whatever!
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 04:10 PM
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Gods are all made up by man so believe what you like
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Define 'believe in'
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Originally Posted by jonc
How improbable is Earth being older than 6000 years old
- not very improbable, earth is 4.5 billion years old

Originally Posted by jonc
and that evolution is an attack on God by Satan?
very improbable, Satan does not exixt

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Let's save ourselves a 13 page thread, we've had our religious debate for this year, just go and read

this

Most angles are covered.........

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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
Let's save ourselves a 13 page thread, we've had our religious debate for this year, just go and read

this

Most angles are covered.........

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Most of which covered the definition and differences between amorral and immoral.

This thread was intended to have a different slant on the discussion bringing in Creationism and Intelligent Design and evolution.

Granted this may be a shorter discussion as I think most of us agree that Creationists are all crackpots!
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Originally Posted by Geezer
Let's save ourselves a 13 page thread, we've had our religious debate for this year, just go and read

this

Most angles are covered.........

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...and on page seven, post 194 of that link is a link to the previous discussion.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Most of which covered the definition and differences between amorral and immoral.

This thread was intended to have a different slant on the discussion bringing in Creationism and Intelligent Design and evolution.

Granted this may be a shorter discussion as I think most of us agree that Creationists are all crackpots!
Have you read that Asimov short story yet?
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
"Is it possible to believe in God and Darwin?"

Try this:

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

I've posted it at least a half dozen times when these kinds of discussions crop-up but, it seems that nobody ever takes the time to read it. I'll try again. Let there be light.
Great read! One and the same!
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Originally Posted by jonc
Great read! One and the same!
Yep; m-theory and God: same thing, different language.

Eta: as in primum movens. Evolution can then go on to predict (speculate about) God in the future and therefor the past using Asimov's model in the short story. Non-literally (as in non-childlike God concepts) and employing ignosticism, of course one can believe in God and evolution.

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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 05:10 PM
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The evidence for Darwin is incontrovertible. He is a matter of historical record.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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You can believe anything if you're mad enough.
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Old Jun 13, 2011 | 07:11 PM
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I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch the sky, I think about it every night and day........

I'll get me coat.....

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Religion, created by man to control man, when fear of the known was not great enough, fear of the unknown was born.

" A god fearing man " attempts to currie favour in the fictional representation of a fictional after life.

But trying to currie favour is forbidden.

So they are all fooked anyway.

i'll take my chances whilst sitting on the fence..

Oh and no.

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Answer to the OP - No, if you are sane.
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