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27 December 2010, 10:36 PM
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Crimes Against humanity - as the UN report describes below
"Israeli armed forces unlawfully and wantonly attacked and destroyed without military necessity a number of food production facilities, drinking water installations, farms and animals. Israeli forces carried out widespread destruction of private residential houses, water wells and water tanks unlawfully and wantonly"
"Israeli armed forces unlawfully and wantonly attacked and destroyed without military necessity a number of food production facilities, drinking water installations, farms and animals. Israeli forces carried out widespread destruction of private residential houses, water wells and water tanks unlawfully and wantonly"
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27 December 2010, 11:49 PM
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That would explain it then. These guys must have just been "commemorating" a little bit early 
Pakistan suicide bombing kills dozens
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Pakistan suicide bombing kills dozens
Suicide bombings kill up to 17 in Iraq's Ramadi - Yahoo! News UK
28 December 2010, 01:32 AM
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Crimes Against humanity - as the UN report describes below
"Israeli armed forces unlawfully and wantonly attacked and destroyed without military necessity a number of food production facilities, drinking water installations, farms and animals. Israeli forces carried out widespread destruction of private residential houses, water wells and water tanks unlawfully and wantonly"
"Israeli armed forces unlawfully and wantonly attacked and destroyed without military necessity a number of food production facilities, drinking water installations, farms and animals. Israeli forces carried out widespread destruction of private residential houses, water wells and water tanks unlawfully and wantonly"
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28 December 2010, 04:26 AM
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28 December 2010, 07:55 AM
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28 December 2010, 08:48 AM
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but when that Israeli sniper has a little schoolgirl in his high powered gunsites
he really knows who's brain he is about to blow out
28 December 2010, 09:17 AM
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Anyway is there an 'it' or is 'it' just an attempt to mythologicalise and exaggerate a series of events for the propaganda purposes of the pro-palestinian side?
BTW do you realise that the 'pro Israeli' west is the biggest giver of aid to the Pallies?
28 December 2010, 09:20 AM
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28 December 2010, 09:30 AM
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Look before this descends into a bunfight let's just remember that no matter what a lot of innocent women and children died in Gaza 12 months ago and that is what this thread was posted for, to remember them, not for a tit for tat argument about Israel and Palestine.
28 December 2010, 09:38 AM
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I agree that innocents died, but to call it a singular event (a massacre) is a total lie and BS...it implies a lot...is loaded with a lot.
I'd also dispute the figure of 1400.
28 December 2010, 09:51 AM
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Don't tempt me, but in the interests of not spoiling the thread any further I shall refrain.
Just for once can you not just leave something be? You don't agree with it and you have said your piece, but SN isn't all about you so just leave the trhead alone now eh?
Just for once can you not just leave something be? You don't agree with it and you have said your piece, but SN isn't all about you so just leave the trhead alone now eh?
28 December 2010, 09:53 AM
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Does it occur that you just read what you want to believe?
I mean we all do it to a point, but surely on proof reading your own post, it would occur to you that you are being little more than a "useful idiot" to the cause.
I imagine you have a Che Guevara poster and wear a Keffiya when you go outdoors.
Anyway - what is a little girl doing in the site where the guns are kept? One should always be aware of the dangers of cutting and pasting from Grauniad sites.
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28 December 2010, 11:39 AM
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Right because the western administration control what the world thinks?
Anyway is there an 'it' or is 'it' just an attempt to mythologicalise and exaggerate a series of events for the propaganda purposes of the pro-palestinian side?
BTW do you realise that the 'pro Israeli' west is the biggest giver of aid to the Pallies?
Anyway is there an 'it' or is 'it' just an attempt to mythologicalise and exaggerate a series of events for the propaganda purposes of the pro-palestinian side?
BTW do you realise that the 'pro Israeli' west is the biggest giver of aid to the Pallies?
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28 December 2010, 12:09 PM
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It was the shooting of Asma Mughayar that swept away any lingering doubts I had about how it is the Israeli army kills so many Palestinian children and civilians.
Asma, 16, and her younger brother, Ahmad, were collecting laundry from the roof of their home in the south of the Gaza Strip in May last year when they were felled by an Israeli army sniper. Neither child was armed or threatening the soldier, who fired unseen through a hole punched in the wall of a neighbouring block of flats.
The army said the two were blown up by a Palestinian bomb planted to kill soldiers. The corpses offered a different account. In Rafah's morgue, Asma lay with a single bullet hole through her temple; her 13-year-old brother had a lone shot to his forehead. There were no other injuries, certainly none consistent with a blast.
Confronted with this, the army changed its account and claimed the pair were killed by a Palestinian, though there was persuasive evidence pointing to the Israeli sniper's nest. What the military did not do was ask its soldiers why they gave a false account of the deaths or speak to the children's parents or any other witnesses.
When reporters pressed the issue, the army promised a full investigation, but a few weeks later it was quietly dropped. This has become the norm in a military that appears to value protecting itself from accountability more than living up to its claim to be the "most moral army in the world".
As Tom Hurndall's parents noted yesterday after the conviction of an Israeli sergeant for the manslaughter of their son, the soldier was put on trial only because the British family had the resources to bring pressure to bear. But there has been no justice for the parents of hundreds of Palestinian children killed by Israeli soldiers.
According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, the army has killed 1,722 Palestinian civilians - more than one-third of them minors - as well as 1,519 combatants, since the intifada began nearly five years ago; the comparable Israeli figures are 658 civilians killed - 17% minors - along with 309 military. The army has investigated just 90 Palestinian deaths, usually under outside pressure. Seven soldiers have been convicted: three for manslaughter, none for murder.
Asma, 16, and her younger brother, Ahmad, were collecting laundry from the roof of their home in the south of the Gaza Strip in May last year when they were felled by an Israeli army sniper. Neither child was armed or threatening the soldier, who fired unseen through a hole punched in the wall of a neighbouring block of flats.
The army said the two were blown up by a Palestinian bomb planted to kill soldiers. The corpses offered a different account. In Rafah's morgue, Asma lay with a single bullet hole through her temple; her 13-year-old brother had a lone shot to his forehead. There were no other injuries, certainly none consistent with a blast.
Confronted with this, the army changed its account and claimed the pair were killed by a Palestinian, though there was persuasive evidence pointing to the Israeli sniper's nest. What the military did not do was ask its soldiers why they gave a false account of the deaths or speak to the children's parents or any other witnesses.
When reporters pressed the issue, the army promised a full investigation, but a few weeks later it was quietly dropped. This has become the norm in a military that appears to value protecting itself from accountability more than living up to its claim to be the "most moral army in the world".
As Tom Hurndall's parents noted yesterday after the conviction of an Israeli sergeant for the manslaughter of their son, the soldier was put on trial only because the British family had the resources to bring pressure to bear. But there has been no justice for the parents of hundreds of Palestinian children killed by Israeli soldiers.
According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, the army has killed 1,722 Palestinian civilians - more than one-third of them minors - as well as 1,519 combatants, since the intifada began nearly five years ago; the comparable Israeli figures are 658 civilians killed - 17% minors - along with 309 military. The army has investigated just 90 Palestinian deaths, usually under outside pressure. Seven soldiers have been convicted: three for manslaughter, none for murder.
28 December 2010, 03:19 PM
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http://www.countercurrents.org/pa-fisk180903.htm
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