Paxman interview with ed Miliband
30 September 2010, 12:39 PM
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Paxman interview with ed Miliband
Last night on Newsnight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ht_29_09_2010/ starts 12.30 mins in.
I have to say I'm impressed by Ed Miliband the person, almost unpolitician-like
Now lets see some policies
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ht_29_09_2010/ starts 12.30 mins in.
I have to say I'm impressed by Ed Miliband the person, almost unpolitician-like
Now lets see some policies
30 September 2010, 12:52 PM
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I'm amazed there are so few thread about red-Ed of recent. Pete must be busy elsewhere. 
He talks the talk, and certainly says alot of the right things that we want to hear, but we've been there before....we'll just have to wait and see.
In his first speech as leader, I quite loved the faces of the "old school" when he mentioned Iraq; They couldn't applaud as it would be hypocritical (Except for that vile Harmen woman, showing her usual colours), and they couldn't disagree as it would show instability and lack of support for the new leader....there they sat like gormless buffons. Classic
The only honest reaction was that of David; Credit due, at least he had the ***** to point it out to Harmen the hypocrit...another classic moment.
Then we have the faces of Woodley and Simpson, the fat-cat £120K+pa union leaders; blank faced and for once in their gobby lives...were silent. Still Woodley's statement later on showing support was highly hypocritical and totally evaded Ed's stance on the Union's recent political posturing with strike threats. What's wrong Woodley? Scared you may say something that may result in Unite losing support from Ed? Awwwww.
He talks the talk, and certainly says alot of the right things that we want to hear, but we've been there before....we'll just have to wait and see.
In his first speech as leader, I quite loved the faces of the "old school" when he mentioned Iraq; They couldn't applaud as it would be hypocritical (Except for that vile Harmen woman, showing her usual colours), and they couldn't disagree as it would show instability and lack of support for the new leader....there they sat like gormless buffons. Classic
The only honest reaction was that of David; Credit due, at least he had the ***** to point it out to Harmen the hypocrit...another classic moment. Then we have the faces of Woodley and Simpson, the fat-cat £120K+pa union leaders; blank faced and for once in their gobby lives...were silent.
Still Woodley's statement later on showing support was highly hypocritical and totally evaded Ed's stance on the Union's recent political posturing with strike threats. What's wrong Woodley? Scared you may say something that may result in Unite losing support from Ed? Awwwww.
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Last night on Newsnight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ht_29_09_2010/ starts 12.30 mins in.
I have to say I'm impressed by Ed Miliband the person, almost unpolitician-like
Now lets see some policies
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ht_29_09_2010/ starts 12.30 mins in.
I have to say I'm impressed by Ed Miliband the person, almost unpolitician-like
Now lets see some policies
Labour should be a radical progressive party, committed to public sector reform.
The big challenges for EM will start when the deficit reduction cuts start to bite.
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Don't like him. Looks like a spoiled rich boy and generally a pudgyfaced numpty. Not convinced he's quick with his wits either so PM question time could be a dull for a while.
Also, he's no statesman. I know a lot of people now have kids and aren't married but I suspect most leaders would frown on it, certianly won't go well with the US and a shotgun wedding is hardly PM material.
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Also, he's no statesman. I know a lot of people now have kids and aren't married but I suspect most leaders would frown on it, certianly won't go well with the US and a shotgun wedding is hardly PM material.
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An atheist Jew with b,astard children - that's a good start for someone aiming to be PM of our country 
And he got to this stage without a clue as to policies which, IMHO, is because he is intelligent and knows the Tories are mostly correct in their plans.
All he can do is to come up with the old cliches along with "New Generation" which is meaningless fluff.
Plus the world knows that big brother would be better all round aside from some smug union leaders.
Sort of bloke you would expect to meet in a Jaguar car showroom.
dl
And he got to this stage without a clue as to policies which, IMHO, is because he is intelligent and knows the Tories are mostly correct in their plans.
All he can do is to come up with the old cliches along with "New Generation" which is meaningless fluff.
Plus the world knows that big brother would be better all round aside from some smug union leaders.
Sort of bloke you would expect to meet in a Jaguar car showroom.
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30 September 2010, 01:18 PM
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An atheist Jew with b,astard children - that's a good start for someone aiming to be PM of our country
And he got to this stage without a clue as to policies which, IMHO, is because he is intelligent and knows the Tories are mostly correct in their plans.
All he can do is to come up with the old cliches along with "New Generation" which is meaningless fluff.
Plus the world knows that big brother would be better all round aside from some smug union leaders.
Sort of bloke you would expect to meet in a Jaguar car showroom.
dl
And he got to this stage without a clue as to policies which, IMHO, is because he is intelligent and knows the Tories are mostly correct in their plans.
All he can do is to come up with the old cliches along with "New Generation" which is meaningless fluff.
Plus the world knows that big brother would be better all round aside from some smug union leaders.
Sort of bloke you would expect to meet in a Jaguar car showroom.
dl
30 September 2010, 01:51 PM
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I'm not at all convinced by EM, I'm not sure who he speaks for. Much of his speech was pure opportunism, especially on Iraq and on the economy. I really hope he is not moving Labour off the centre ground.
Labour should be a radical progressive party, committed to public sector reform.
The big challenges for EM will start when the deficit reduction cuts start to bite.
Labour should be a radical progressive party, committed to public sector reform.
The big challenges for EM will start when the deficit reduction cuts start to bite.
What did you expect him to say about Iraq or the economy then? Would he have been better to have told the usual NL lies about them?
Should he have said that the attack on Iraq was absloutely legal and did not destroy the country's infrastructure killing thousands of innocents at all, and that it is a great improvement now that an average of 10 Iraqis a day are being killed by terrorist bombs!
How much radical progression which actually did any good at all did you see since 1997 Martin? Apart from elevating the National Debt out of sight!
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What did you expect him to say about Iraq or the economy then? Would he have been better to have told the usual NL lies about them?
How much radical progression which actually did any good at all did you see since 1997 Martin? Apart from elevating the National Debt out of sight!
Les
How much radical progression which actually did any good at all did you see since 1997 Martin? Apart from elevating the National Debt out of sight!
Les
Les 'the usual NL lies' is just another media driven piece of nonsense you CHOOSE to believe.
Considering EM was Browns 'bag man' and wrote large parts of the last manifesto it's kind of difficult for him to suddenly claim that they were wrong.
As for public sector reform, well it's (as I've stated at least 100,000 times on here) NL biggest failure. The problem is there was not the political will needed to change things, really change things, alter the structures, change the priorities, and ultimately put the public at the heart of the public sector. Instead we got New Labour vs Old Labour and the MASSIVE vested interest in the status quo ante.
That said there was some significant improvements like foundation hospitals for instance are directionally OK. There was some good education reforms along the way too. Not radical enough though unfortunately.
The Conservatives have the chance to build on these and drive through strong public sector reforms, if they do this then they get my total support
As for Iraq, well that's a murky old issue too isn't, there are consequences of inaction as well as action were there not?
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What did you expect him to say about Iraq or the economy then? Would he have been better to have told the usual NL lies about them?
Should he have said that the attack on Iraq was absloutely legal and did not destroy the country's infrastructure killing thousands of innocents at all, and that it is a great improvement now that an average of 10 Iraqis a day are being killed by terrorist bombs!
How much radical progression which actually did any good at all did you see since 1997 Martin? Apart from elevating the National Debt out of sight!
Les
Should he have said that the attack on Iraq was absloutely legal and did not destroy the country's infrastructure killing thousands of innocents at all, and that it is a great improvement now that an average of 10 Iraqis a day are being killed by terrorist bombs!
How much radical progression which actually did any good at all did you see since 1997 Martin? Apart from elevating the National Debt out of sight!
Les
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Anyone who thinks the public sector can`t be trimmed WITHOUT loss, look here.
Is just goes to show if you want to do things, do it properly.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/d...es/4od#3122150
Lets NOT forget Labour took our debt repayments to more than the whole defence budget.
THAT is pure CRIMINAL.
Is just goes to show if you want to do things, do it properly.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/d...es/4od#3122150
Lets NOT forget Labour took our debt repayments to more than the whole defence budget.
THAT is pure CRIMINAL.
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30 September 2010, 04:27 PM
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Why would any of those matter? Personally I couldn't care if he was a disabled black lesbian with a speak impediment if I thought she could run the country. Far better than some politico with a nice public wife and 2.4 public children, who very publically attends church, but is actually an athiest and boffing his secretary.
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30 September 2010, 04:40 PM
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Pontificating
I found his speechg irritating often deluded going off at obscure tangents with regards to Browns achievements, WTF was the whole kids not being killed by malaria about ? obvioulsy Brown does have a legacy after all. I just found him very Blairesque in his technique gesticulations and voice, he should be doing the Tunes adverts with that nasal complaint.
Labour made a rod for their own backs allowing the Bros to both stand, there will always be those crowing on about David and Ed will probably be remembered as the leader who nicked it off his Brother I just cant see this guy making PM.
Cambo will eat him for dinner, so would Clegg.
Labour made a rod for their own backs allowing the Bros to both stand, there will always be those crowing on about David and Ed will probably be remembered as the leader who nicked it off his Brother I just cant see this guy making PM.
Cambo will eat him for dinner, so would Clegg.
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Why would any of those matter? Personally I couldn't care if he was a disabled black lesbian with a speak impediment if I thought she could run the country. Far better than some politico with a nice public wife and 2.4 public children, who very publically attends church, but is actually an athiest and boffing his secretary.
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And EdAche is the one that keeps carping on about his Jewish background but then says he doesn't believe in God. So what difference does his family's religion make then???
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Signing a bit of paper makes you are good parent?
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Why would any of those matter? Personally I couldn't care if he was a disabled black lesbian with a speak impediment if I thought she could run the country. Far better than some politico with a nice public wife and 2.4 public children, who very publically attends church, but is actually an athiest and boffing his secretary.
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I'm afraid that I have not quite got to the stage when I would have no problem with a "disabled black lesbian with a speak impediment" running the country just yet. Just my immaturity I suppose.
Many of the Jewish people I know tend to be fairly religious and are not going to be happy with Milibands attitude, especially his rejection of God. So that's a significant part of the population. I also believe that marriage is important and, again, my old fashioned belief is that it is wrong to bring up kids outside of a married environment, quite deliberately it seems, in Miliband's case.
I quite accept that I am out of touch with the Britain of 2010. so my apologies if I have have caused you offence.
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I would counter that there are an even more significant part of the population that doesn't practice religion of any type.
I brought my 1st child into a non married environment, you know, life partners sharing a mortgage but not a piece of paper. I am married now though, still have the same life partner but the mortgage has swelled a bit
I brought my 1st child into a non married environment, you know, life partners sharing a mortgage but not a piece of paper. I am married now though, still have the same life partner but the mortgage has swelled a bit
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I would counter that there are an even more significant part of the population that doesn't practice religion of any type.
I brought my 1st child into a non married environment, you know, life partners sharing a mortgage but not a piece of paper. I am married now though, still have the same life partner but the mortgage has swelled a bit
I brought my 1st child into a non married environment, you know, life partners sharing a mortgage but not a piece of paper. I am married now though, still have the same life partner but the mortgage has swelled a bit
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No. But NOT signing this particular piece of paper points to the guy's priorities. How will he explain to his son, when he's old enough (I think it's a boy anyway) why 'Daddy's name isn't on his birth certificate'? 'Sorry son, but I was at a global warming conference ..' .... 'Wwwwaaahhhhhhhhhh...'.
If you don't get it there is no more to say .....
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If you don't get it there is no more to say .....
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No. But NOT signing this particular piece of paper points to the guy's priorities. How will he explain to his son, when he's old enough (I think it's a boy anyway) why 'Daddy's name isn't on his birth certificate'? 'Sorry son, but I was at a global warming conference ..' .... 'Wwwwaaahhhhhhhhhh...'.
If you don't get it there is no more to say .....
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If you don't get it there is no more to say .....
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30 September 2010, 08:01 PM
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The only politician I have found convincing,appealing and charismatic over the last however many years has been Tony Blair.
Changed my vote at the time he arrived and not really seen anyone Labour who would remotely convince me to change my vote from very blue again .Not that the blues or anyone else have anyone either!
Totally characterless bunch and nothing at all Dynamic about Ed IMHO
Changed my vote at the time he arrived and not really seen anyone Labour who would remotely convince me to change my vote from very blue again .Not that the blues or anyone else have anyone either!
Totally characterless bunch and nothing at all Dynamic about Ed IMHO
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No. But NOT signing this particular piece of paper points to the guy's priorities. How will he explain to his son, when he's old enough (I think it's a boy anyway) why 'Daddy's name isn't on his birth certificate'? 'Sorry son, but I was at a global warming conference ..' .... 'Wwwwaaahhhhhhhhhh...'.
If you don't get it there is no more to say .....
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Les 'the usual NL lies' is just another media driven piece of nonsense you CHOOSE to believe.
Considering EM was Browns 'bag man' and wrote large parts of the last manifesto it's kind of difficult for him to suddenly claim that they were wrong.
As for public sector reform, well it's (as I've stated at least 100,000 times on here) NL biggest failure. The problem is there was not the political will needed to change things, really change things, alter the structures, change the priorities, and ultimately put the public at the heart of the public sector. Instead we got New Labour vs Old Labour and the MASSIVE vested interest in the status quo ante.
That said there was some significant improvements like foundation hospitals for instance are directionally OK. There was some good education reforms along the way too. Not radical enough though unfortunately.
The Conservatives have the chance to build on these and drive through strong public sector reforms, if they do this then they get my total support
As for Iraq, well that's a murky old issue too isn't, there are consequences of inaction as well as action were there not?
Considering EM was Browns 'bag man' and wrote large parts of the last manifesto it's kind of difficult for him to suddenly claim that they were wrong.
As for public sector reform, well it's (as I've stated at least 100,000 times on here) NL biggest failure. The problem is there was not the political will needed to change things, really change things, alter the structures, change the priorities, and ultimately put the public at the heart of the public sector. Instead we got New Labour vs Old Labour and the MASSIVE vested interest in the status quo ante.
That said there was some significant improvements like foundation hospitals for instance are directionally OK. There was some good education reforms along the way too. Not radical enough though unfortunately.
The Conservatives have the chance to build on these and drive through strong public sector reforms, if they do this then they get my total support
As for Iraq, well that's a murky old issue too isn't, there are consequences of inaction as well as action were there not?
Incidentally, how refreshing it is to see Harriet Harperson jumping ship from her support of Billy Liar and the attack on Iraq to her new allegiance to EM and his opinion on Iraq! She knows which side her bread is buttered on!
Made me feel sick to see it! Even David Millimetre reacted to that one!
Les
