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#1
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Is the following information available to the general public or is it roll up your trouser leg and scratch your left nipple stuff?
The In Service Emissions Book
and/or
The Analyser Database (from what i've read, different machines have different databases)
Either online or hard copy, preferably free but will pay if needs be.
Thanx.
The In Service Emissions Book
and/or
The Analyser Database (from what i've read, different machines have different databases)
Either online or hard copy, preferably free but will pay if needs be.
Thanx.
#2
#3
I don't know
I was looking at it earlier but there doesn't seem to be enough info on it re year and varient.
For Scoobs it states the MY is the 10th digit of the VIN, i've only got 9 digits total. And it seems only to list Scoobs from '01-'10.
Perhaps it's just update info, or more probable, i need to know how to read it properly
I was looking at it earlier but there doesn't seem to be enough info on it re year and varient.
For Scoobs it states the MY is the 10th digit of the VIN, i've only got 9 digits total. And it seems only to list Scoobs from '01-'10.
Perhaps it's just update info, or more probable, i need to know how to read it properly
#4
I guess that is when the Euro standard changed to EuroIII, so cars pre 2001 have a similar but different emissions test, where there was just one set of values and it would pass if it was under that, probably linked to Car Tax.
I am just guessing though.
I am just guessing though.
#7
I would just like to see a copy of the 'handbook' for myself so i have at least one leg to stand on at the MOT. Don't fancy standing there arguing the toss without knowing the facts.
110 mile round trip to my old MOT'er and the car is SORN at the moment. But if needs must..........
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#9
Yeah, got that bit ta Shaun.
I would just like to see a copy of the 'handbook' for myself so i have at least one leg to stand on at the MOT. Don't fancy standing there arguing the toss without knowing the facts.
110 mile round trip to my old MOT'er and the car is SORN at the moment. But if needs must..........
I would just like to see a copy of the 'handbook' for myself so i have at least one leg to stand on at the MOT. Don't fancy standing there arguing the toss without knowing the facts.
110 mile round trip to my old MOT'er and the car is SORN at the moment. But if needs must..........
#15
It would seem that there is a hard copy available (buggered if i can find it though). It is issued for use until all the databases are updated and has to be held by all MOT stations, it is now the sixteenth edition, released August 2010 and has a purple cover.
here
here
Last edited by Glowplug; 12 September 2010 at 05:37 PM.
#16
It would seem that there is a hard copy available (buggered if i can find it though). It is issued for use until all the databases are updated and has to be held by all MOT stations, it is now the sixteenth edition, released August 2010 and has a purple cover.
here
here
Anything to do with pre 95 emissions?
edit: Ignore that, I just did a search and youve recently replied to somebody on here with the info I was going to suggest.
Link
Last edited by MMT WRX; 12 September 2010 at 07:03 PM.
#17
What is it you want to know?
Anything to do with pre 95 emissions?
edit: Ignore that, I just did a search and youve recently replied to somebody on here with the info I was going to suggest.
Link
Anything to do with pre 95 emissions?
edit: Ignore that, I just did a search and youve recently replied to somebody on here with the info I was going to suggest.
Link
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PS For non-type-approved vehicles the MOT system doesnt have any data, as far as Im aware. Imprezas either take a pre-cat or a generic cat test.
#19
For cars first registered before 1998 (whether in the UK or overseas) the car benefit charge is calculated on the basis of engine size and not CO2 emissions. CO2 emissions are not taken into account for any cars first registered before 1998
The guidance on this page explains which cars will have an approved CO2 emissions figure.
Only cars first registered on or after 1 January 1998 can have an approved CO2 emissions figure for the purposes of the car benefits legislation. All cars first registered before 1 January 1998 are dealt with separately, even if they are one of the few with a CO2 emissions figure, see EIM23415.
Cars sold in the United Kingdom and in other European Union (EU) countries are required to meet safety and environmental standards under European legislation. Each car must conform to a type (of which a sample has been submitted by the manufacturer or importer) that has been approved by a national certification agency. The level of CO2 emitted by the car on a prescribed test cycle is one of the factors recorded during the type approval testing procedure. Very small manufacturers (for example, TVR at the time of writing, February 2003) are excluded.
read more here...
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim23360.htm
Only cars first registered on or after 1 January 1998 can have an approved CO2 emissions figure for the purposes of the car benefits legislation. All cars first registered before 1 January 1998 are dealt with separately, even if they are one of the few with a CO2 emissions figure, see EIM23415.
Cars sold in the United Kingdom and in other European Union (EU) countries are required to meet safety and environmental standards under European legislation. Each car must conform to a type (of which a sample has been submitted by the manufacturer or importer) that has been approved by a national certification agency. The level of CO2 emitted by the car on a prescribed test cycle is one of the factors recorded during the type approval testing procedure. Very small manufacturers (for example, TVR at the time of writing, February 2003) are excluded.
read more here...
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim23360.htm
EIM23415 - Car benefit: car without approved CO2 emissions figure but first registered on 1 January 1998 or later
Section 140 ITEPA 2003
This page relates to step 5 of the method statement in Section 121(1) ITEPA 2003, see EIM23101.
It should be unusual for a car first registered on 1 January 1998 or later not to have an approved CO2 emissions figure. This will probably only be the case for rare and one-off models of car (see EIM23385) and for some cars that have been individually imported from outside the European Union (see EIM23380).
Cars powered by petrol
For cars first registered on 1 January 1998 or later that do not have an approved CO2 emissions figure the appropriate percentage used to calculate the car benefit charge is based on engine size.
Engine Size (cc)
Appropriate percentage
0 to 1,400
15%
1,401 to 2,000
25%
2,001 and more
35%
If a car has no cylinder capacity (i.e. it does not have an engine size measured in cc) the appropriate percentage will be:
* if the car runs solely on electricity (see EIM23435 for definition of electric car)
o 15% until 2010/11
o 9% thereafter (primary legislation changed to retain the same net percentage despite the abolition of all reductions)
* 35% otherwise, for example a rotary engine.
Cars powered by diesel or alternative fuels
The adjustments to the appropriate percentage detailed below apply, except for any part of the reduction that depends on the CO2 emissions figure. The appropriate percentage from the table above is used unless the car falls within one of the categories for which adjustments are required. For details of adjustments required, see
* EIM23420 for years from 2002/03 to 2005/06,
* EIM23421 for years from 2006/07 to 2010/11, and
* EIM23422 for years from 2011/12.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM23415.htm
Section 140 ITEPA 2003
This page relates to step 5 of the method statement in Section 121(1) ITEPA 2003, see EIM23101.
It should be unusual for a car first registered on 1 January 1998 or later not to have an approved CO2 emissions figure. This will probably only be the case for rare and one-off models of car (see EIM23385) and for some cars that have been individually imported from outside the European Union (see EIM23380).
Cars powered by petrol
For cars first registered on 1 January 1998 or later that do not have an approved CO2 emissions figure the appropriate percentage used to calculate the car benefit charge is based on engine size.
Engine Size (cc)
Appropriate percentage
0 to 1,400
15%
1,401 to 2,000
25%
2,001 and more
35%
If a car has no cylinder capacity (i.e. it does not have an engine size measured in cc) the appropriate percentage will be:
* if the car runs solely on electricity (see EIM23435 for definition of electric car)
o 15% until 2010/11
o 9% thereafter (primary legislation changed to retain the same net percentage despite the abolition of all reductions)
* 35% otherwise, for example a rotary engine.
Cars powered by diesel or alternative fuels
The adjustments to the appropriate percentage detailed below apply, except for any part of the reduction that depends on the CO2 emissions figure. The appropriate percentage from the table above is used unless the car falls within one of the categories for which adjustments are required. For details of adjustments required, see
* EIM23420 for years from 2002/03 to 2005/06,
* EIM23421 for years from 2006/07 to 2010/11, and
* EIM23422 for years from 2011/12.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM23415.htm
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our 16th edition of the catalogue in out testing station has not turned up yet but last month we received a special notice saying we must test vehicles according to the data on our current analyser until it does (as its a month late in being sent )lol but should be here any day now though
#26
Hi mate, just to clarify then, all cars pre 2001 or 1998? get the same emissions test using the same values?
and
All cars post 2001 use manufacturers values, to define what tax band they are in?
Have I got that right? Cheers
and
All cars post 2001 use manufacturers values, to define what tax band they are in?
Have I got that right? Cheers
#27
I think so Unless there is a exact match in the book, my emphasis would be on 'exact match'
O yeah, exept imports, where the engine was never designed to pass the UK emission!
It's about as clear as mud, still.
O yeah, and sva vehicles which are tested to the oldest, engine or chassis.
It gets clearer and clearer!
O yeah, exept imports, where the engine was never designed to pass the UK emission!
It's about as clear as mud, still.
O yeah, and sva vehicles which are tested to the oldest, engine or chassis.
It gets clearer and clearer!
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the good news is if an exact match is found its often that the level allowed is much higher for that model and even though it failed its basic test after the cat is preheated for three mins its more likely to pass then,happy days
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Just to clarify classicgc8.
The problem is not cat tests, but non-cat tests and testers telling people that they can in fact find an 'exact match', but as the WRX was not available in the UK till 1999 as a Bug, the tester must have put the car through as a 2000 Turbo or simular.
And as my MOT is due this week and i have changed VTS, i didn't want to end up in the same boat. So the mission was on to find a copy of the In Service Emissions book and being a layman, understand it.
The problem is not cat tests, but non-cat tests and testers telling people that they can in fact find an 'exact match', but as the WRX was not available in the UK till 1999 as a Bug, the tester must have put the car through as a 2000 Turbo or simular.
And as my MOT is due this week and i have changed VTS, i didn't want to end up in the same boat. So the mission was on to find a copy of the In Service Emissions book and being a layman, understand it.