Jamz3k

Just finished watching Wheeler Dealer on the Discovery channel just to find the programme after it called "Eddie Jordan's Bad Boy Racers" were a bunch of young offenders are given the chance to be coached by Eddie Jordan.

WHY?

Why should they get to do something like this because they are scumbags? If someone were to offer me this chance i would be over the moon infact it would be like a dream come true but unfortunately because i work, abide the law and "don't need to be given a purpose in life" it will not happen.

Disgusting

Can you imagine watching this programme and then realising that one of the fella's getting this once in a lifetime chance was a guy who stole your car? i'd be fooking livid to say the least! When are do gooders going to learn that instead of "helping" these low life bast*rds, we should be locking them up and throwing away the key.

The Dogs B******s

Its because the people that run our goverment are thick c*nts,end of

Lee247

This will be my only post in this thread, otherwise my blood pressure will hit the roof and I will have to kill someone

This annoyed me so much, I can't express on this board without offending someone

Illegal immigrant who killed brilliant Oxford graduate after roaring through red light can't be deported... because of his human rights | Mail Online

dpb

didnt i see Ediie Jordan a couple of days ago deriding our no.1 man

cster

So you can live in this country if you get someone pregnant?
It was good enough for that popular hero Ronnie Biggs I guess
Do you laugh or cry?

hoskib

iTrader: (1)

the only thing missing from that report to completely make you scream would be if Cherie Blair was defending him. bloody woman and her human rights maddness

i'm sure the human rights act helps an awful lot of people, but when it goes wrong, christ does it go wrong.

p1junkie

iTrader: (5)

this country and the lawmakers are a ****ing joke the story about the graduate whos life is over because an illegal once again cant even abide by the law of the country he flouted in the first place its high time that ****ing human rights act was burnt allong with tony blair

Felix.

If he gets deported, he will probably get away with the crime.

By not deporting him, he will have to stay and serve a sentence

boomer

Felix.

Read the article!

He has already served his pathetic three year sentence and is now a free man

mb

cossie-nutter

iTrader: (45)

That makes my PI55 BOIL!!!!!

Felix.

ooops sorry - didn't see the second paragraph


Sentences are a joke. I have been to court where the punishment dished out is 'a day in the court house'. ie the fact that they have spent the day at court. Which makes me think that me, the victim and the witnesses also spent the day at court - so are we getting punished too.!!!

Leslie

The ok way of thinking for the authorities is that people don't commit crimes by their own fault, it is all due to external circumstances and therefore it is not their fault! They don't really like the thought of punishing them at all really! Re-habilitation is the magic word so they get all those advantages over those who behave themselves.

If a law abiding person misses out on say paying some money to them then they will get the book thrown at them of course.

We need some real punishment for criminals, prison with hard labour as it always used to be, ie something that they would rather not have to do again. That used to deter them from re-offending in the past.

Les

stilover

Exactly. Get rid of the TV, Video & games console out of their cells. Spend less money per head on food than a school child (Currently the opposite) and get them doing hard labour.

Chain gangs doing some good in the community.

You just have to look at fines. Pay your car insurance (say £600/year), pay car Tax (£210/year), get an MOT every year (£45), but get caught speeding. BAM..... £60 fine & 3 points.

Drive around with none of the above. Get pulled once in 5 years......

Stupidly low fine of £180 or whatever it is.

Always the law abiding public that get screwed.

Luan Pra bang

As much as it is unfpopular you do have to rehabilitate criminals. Ultimately after punishment there has to be a plan to convince scummers to not commit crime anymore and in the long run it will cost less to rehabilitate than it will to keep locking people up.

OllyK

Time to get out of the EU!

jacrobat

I think you will find that jurisprudence has been moving in this direction in the UK long before we joined the EU.

OllyK

That's as maybe, but much of our legislation is now coming from the EU with our govenment unable to do much about it, even if they wanted to.

jacrobat

We still have the power of veto and rights reserved in the Commission so the UK government is not exercising its veto and then blaming the EU. They don't enact all Directives. For example, all white goods in the EU are supposed to have a 2 year warranty when you buy them but in the UK it is still only 1 as we have never enacted the legislation after lobbying by the supermarkets etc.

tanyatriangles

iTrader: (2)

here we go again, it's NOT the EU who enforce it, it's our own government.

Other countrys ignore it, but not us. eg: Italy last year rounded up 1000 Albanians they didn't want, and just sent them back.

Ever wondered why? Could it be so that most UK citizens hate the EU?

Leslie

That is precisely the attitude which is dragging this country down as it is.

The whole point is that there is so significant punishment for real criminals in the first place. Also in all honesty, most hardened criminals are not going to think of being rehabilitated. They will smile and nod at all the good words and then laugh behind your back. Why are there no more places left in prison?

Les

jacrobat

Perhaps more to the point is why we have the largest prison population per head in Europe.

boomer

...well we certainly have the largest number of pensioners in prison who haven't paid their "poll tax"!

But "more to the point" - do you have a source/reference for your claim that "we have the largest prison population per head in Europe."?

Cheers,

mb

DocJock

Luxembourg has the largest in Western Europe according to the latest (2007)count England and Wales are second with 148/100000 population.

That's a long way being the US (740/100000) Russia and China though.

Those numbers took approximately 10 seconds to find using this fantastic new utility called "Google". You should try it some time...

warrenm2

Thats simply because lots of people here are commiting crimes - what you should look at is the numbers of prisoners per 1000 crimes to get an idea of severity of punishment. The UK, you will find, is very lax - you really have to try hard to get sent to jail.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/data/prisonPopEU2003.htm

warrenm2

The Human Rights Act is an EU law - we would have to leave the EU in order to repeal it. The death penalty is outlawed by the EU - to reinstate it we would have to leave the EU

OllyK

True, but let them serve their sentence as punishment, then have a period of re-habilitation, say 10% of the sentence at the end.

OllyK

The legislation comes from the EU, our government is oblidged to enforce it. If we were out of the EU, those laws wouldn't be coming in in the first place.

Other countries ignoring the agreements they have made is not something to be proud of. That we do honour them, shows some degree of honesty, but better yet, we get of the agreement entirely.