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Old 21 July 2008, 10:41 AM
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Default Sh*t Brown is in the middle east.........

..............poking his nose in.

Not that there are ANY problems in his own country that need anything doing

And apparently, he's promised £500M of OUR money to the Palestinians over the next few years.

Not that the Humber Bridge would benefit from an injection of cash

Who are we to complain? We only PAY his B@stard taxes that he wastes

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Old 21 July 2008, 10:45 AM
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It's £30Million not £500 Million.
Old 21 July 2008, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
It's £30Million not £500 Million.
Is it? It was quoted as £500M along the bottom of the BBC News 24 screen last night as it showed the guppy-gobbed git talking.

Even £30M is £30M more than the b@stards gave us to pay off the Humber Bridge debt

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Old 21 July 2008, 10:50 AM
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im from the middle east and i think gordon brown is the biggest idiot eva. why do we have to get involved in all the drama with america its mesing up our econmy petrol,food intrest rates are on the rise. this idiot wont stop till this country goes in to a recetion.

instead of spending our hard earned money in here where its needed in better schooling hospitals etc his sticking his nose where it doesnt belong.fighting a war that wont benfit britan.
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Originally Posted by mus 1st class sti type r
im from the middle east and i think gordon brown is the biggest idiot eva. why do we have to get involved in all the drama with america its mesing up our econmy petrol,food intrest rates are on the rise. this idiot wont stop till this country goes in to a recetion.

instead of spending our hard earned money in here where its needed in better schooling hospitals etc his sticking his nose where it doesnt belong.fighting a war that wont benfit britan.
After reading that I'd agree more money is indeed needed for edyookaychion and schooling.
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I think the States have pledged $500M.

To be fair, I don't think Palestine are in a position to help us out financially. You could argue that we aren't in a position to help out palestine. But It's tricky when you are the 5th richest nation on the planet. Of course its all relative, we might have a huge GDP, but we are feeling the pinch.

However, £30M in the scheme of things is absolutely bugger all.
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I think more money is needed in the NHS to pay for a cardiac unit outside Alcazar's house as at this rate he is sure going to need one
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Yes Heathcliff is good a pledging away other peoples' money.

£100 Million here £30 Million there - we can afford it.

Meanwhile English people in this country are living in third world poverty and having to choose whether to eat or heat their home. Yet they are told that there is no money available to ease their suffering.

There are going to be riots on the streets of this country again soon because of this arrogant unelected idiot and his desperation to be seen on the 'world stage'
Old 21 July 2008, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant

However, £30M in the scheme of things is absolutely bugger all.
I know what you mean. However, I would rather have this trifling amount spent in the UK, say on children with cancer (for example) instead of them relying on charities to foot some of their bills.

A lot of the ME nations are cash rich and could go along way and do more to help out Palestine
Old 21 July 2008, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
..............poking his nose in.

Not that there are ANY problems in his own country that need anything doing

And apparently, he's promised £500M of OUR money to the Palestinians over the next few years.

Not that the Humber Bridge would benefit from an injection of cash

Who are we to complain? We only PAY his B@stard taxes that he wastes

Alcazar
What a strange, and frankly tragic point of view.

Whoever our PM is they have to get involved in foreign affairs, and there is no more pressing issue that Israel / Palestine. Things that happen in that part of the world impact upon us all, either directly or indirectly.

As for the money, I very much doubt that this is 'new money' it's almost certainly part of the an existing budget that has been allocated or reallocated.
Old 21 July 2008, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
I know what you mean. However, I would rather have this trifling amount spent in the UK, say on children with cancer (for example) instead of them relying on charities to foot some of their bills.

A lot of the ME nations are cash rich and could go along way and do more to help out Palestine
But Paul, its not as if this money is being taken directly out of the funds from cancer care.

We have a GDP of nearly 3 trillion dollars.

We are pledgeing $60 million.

In other words, its like having £300 in your pocket putting 0.006pence in a collection tin

It staggers me that people complain about this sort of thing.
Old 21 July 2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
I think more money is needed in the NHS to pay for a cardiac unit outside Alcazar's house as at this rate he is sure going to need one
LOL..........you b@stard My doctor has recently told me to get my blood pressure down, but it's pointless trying while **** Brown is in power

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Old 21 July 2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
But Paul, its not as if this money is being taken directly out of the funds from cancer care.

We have a GDP of nearly 3 trillion dollars.

We are pledgeing $60 million.

In other words, its like having £300 in your pocket putting 0.006pence in a collection tin

It staggers me that people complain about this sort of thing.
It 'staggers' you does it - this staggers me. Beofre the governments gives our money away they ought to remember - Charity begins AT HOME!

BBC NEWS | Health | Charity props up NHS cancer care

The NHS relies heavily on charitable donations for the treatment and support of children and teenagers with cancer, research suggests.

Up to half of funding in NHS specialist cancer centres in England and Wales comes from charities, a team of health economists calculate.

Some oncologists said without charity support many services would not exist.

The funding level raises questions about the government's responsibility for cancer care, the researchers say.


Oh and i do hope Brown does a tour of some fighting hotspots - in one of our Army Landrovers as he belives they are good enough to protect our servicemen and women!

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
What a strange, and frankly tragic point of view.

Whoever our PM is they have to get involved in foreign affairs, and there is no more pressing issue that Israel / Palestine. Things that happen in that part of the world impact upon us all, either directly or indirectly.

As for the money, I very much doubt that this is 'new money' it's almost certainly part of the an existing budget that has been allocated or reallocated.
Please see the post ABOVE yours to save me having to cut and paste it

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Agree absolutely with Pete: charity begins at home, and I DON'T mean just Scotland, Brown!!!

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Originally Posted by alcazar
Please see the post ABOVE yours to save me having to cut and paste it

Alcazar

What on earth has that got to do with our (fairly small) aid to the palestinian people. BTW without aid (mainly from the EU) the people of Gaza would starve to death!
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One thing this useless bunch of self seekers seem to be very good at is putting this country up as a major target for terrorists from one place or another!

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
What on earth has that got to do with our (fairly small) aid to the palestinian people. BTW without aid (mainly from the EU) the people of Gaza would starve to death!
Really, stave would they - that would be because there are no other Arab or Muslim countires with any money to donate as thay are all poor as mosque mice!


Get a grip will you, whilst i was in Dubai the UAE was raising a Billion for Palestine and well on the way!

The Red Crescent (Red Cross) is heavily involved and collecting in the ME on an ongoing basis - i know as i have donated myself whilst out there.

There is plenty of money in the ME and SSA to help!

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Originally Posted by Martin2005
What on earth has that got to do with our (fairly small) aid to the palestinian people. BTW without aid (mainly from the EU) the people of Gaza would starve to death!
Then why don't the fantastically cash rich middle eastern oil producing nations help out?

Hasn't one of them just built a half-mile long indoor ski-slope with real snow somewhere in the desert which has daily temperatures of 50 degrees? I bet what THAT cost would keep those in Gaza for a year or so???

Why does it always have to be us?

TBH, I'm sick of seeing the state of this country outside the favoured few areas while Brown and his ilk keep on pouring money into other countries

He wants to try a few three day visits to Scunny, Hull, Tyneside, Teesside, the Welsh Valleys, the Yorkshire coalfield etc and see what sort of infrastructure we have, and how many jobs there are here.

And yes, I KNOW it doesn't compare with Gaza, but WE don't live in Gaza, yet we DO pay taxes!!

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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Really, stave would they - that would be because there are no other Arab or Muslim countires with any money to donate as thay are all poor as mosque mice!


Get a grip will you, whilst i was in Dubai the UAE was raising a Billion for Palestine and well on the way!

The Red Crescent (Red Cross) is heavily involved and collecting in the ME on an ongoing basis - i know as i have donated myself whilst out there.

There is plenty of money in the ME and SSA to help!
So are we pledging money that isn't needed - I doubt it.

The ONLY way Palestine can be a viable state, is by developing it's economy, which is exactly what this money is being donated for (as I said before, this will not be new money anyway).

The record of most Middle East countries towards the Palestinian people is frankly lamentable, they may be 'cash rich' but most a fairly morally bankrupt!

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Originally Posted by alcazar
He wants to try a few three day visits to Scunny, Hull, Tyneside, Teesside, the Welsh Valleys, the Yorkshire coalfield etc and see what sort of infrastructure we have, and how many jobs there are here.
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So you would support extra money going to say, unemployment benefit, then?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Then why don't the fantastically cash rich middle eastern oil producing nations help out?

Hasn't one of them just built a half-mile long indoor ski-slope with real snow somewhere in the desert which has daily temperatures of 50 degrees? I bet what THAT cost would keep those in Gaza for a year or so???

Why does it always have to be us?

TBH, I'm sick of seeing the state of this country outside the favoured few areas while Brown and his ilk keep on pouring money into other countries

He wants to try a few three day visits to Scunny, Hull, Tyneside, Teesside, the Welsh Valleys, the Yorkshire coalfield etc and see what sort of infrastructure we have, and how many jobs there are here.

And yes, I KNOW it doesn't compare with Gaza, but WE don't live in Gaza, yet we DO pay taxes!!

Alcazar
Let's take your arguement one stage further then, let's just pay taxes for things that benefits us individually!
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Originally Posted by alcazar
LOL..........you b@stard My doctor has recently told me to get my blood pressure down, but it's pointless trying while **** Brown is in power

Alcazar
LOL, yes I know what you mean I would say we should all go for a nice relaxing drive, but we can't afford the fecking fuel
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
What on earth has that got to do with our (fairly small) aid to the palestinian people. BTW without aid (mainly from the EU) the people of Gaza would starve to death!

Well I hope it doesnt end up as rockets being lobbed over the fence into Israel,

B&Q keep wondering why when Palestine is such a dry country they get so many internet orders for drain pipe!

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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Yes Heathcliff is good a pledging away other peoples' money.

£100 Million here £30 Million there - we can afford it.

Meanwhile English people in this country are living in third world poverty and having to choose whether to eat or heat their home. Yet they are told that there is no money available to ease their suffering.

There are going to be riots on the streets of this country again soon because of this arrogant unelected idiot and his desperation to be seen on the 'world stage'
What a load of rubbish!!! Have you seen how real, third world people live?
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What a load of rubbish!!! Have you seen how real, third world people live?
Sounds like you need to get out more. Have you seen how real people in this country are being forced to live?
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Sounds like you need to get out more. Have you seen how real people in this country are being forced to live?
Oh come on, comparing people to third world conditions is a bit silly.

Not to belittle the plight of some poeple over here, which is undoubatbly harsh, it does not compare at all to third world conditions. You do not having millions dying each year of starvation in the UK. You do not have millions dying of easily curable disease in the UK. You do not have people dying because of dirty water in the UK.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Sounds like you need to get out more. Have you seen how real people in this country are being forced to live?
Yes, I have relatives there. So too in Ireland, Belgium, Australia and New Zealand. But compared to (Well there IS no comparison really) those "third worlders", even the poor live well. I can tell, you don't believe me, have you actually been to a third world country? Or are you just an armchair browser?
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Read this:

The Frugal Life: Heat or Eat?

Then realise that it was broadcast _before_ the huge inflation in food prices and the 60% increases in utility bills expected by the end of the year.

There are going to be people starving or freezing to death this winter in NuLabor's Britain.

Now tell me there is 'no third world poverty' in this country. None so blind as those who cannot see. This is where £30 million needs spending. Let the arabs take care of their own from the Billions they make out of selling us oil.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Read this:

The Frugal Life: Heat or Eat?

Then realise that it was broadcast _before_ the huge inflation in food prices and the 60% increases in utility bills expected by the end of the year.

There are going to be people starving or freezing to death this winter in NuLabor's Britain.

Now tell me there is 'no third world poverty' in this country. None so blind as those who cannot see. This is where £30 million needs spending. Let the arabs take care of their own from the Billions they make out of selling us oil.
Why does this need to be an either/or arguement?

Shouldn't we be doing both?


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