Crime down by 9%
17 July 2008, 10:02 AM
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The BCS is a pretty reliable indication of crime levels. However, it would be interesting to see the age breakdown of knife crime.
Whilst crime overall has fallen, I've a feeling that youth crime is on the up.
Whilst crime overall has fallen, I've a feeling that youth crime is on the up.
17 July 2008, 10:09 AM
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Crime overall hasn't fallen. It's just that less and less things are recorded as crimes, now, and less and less people report things as they know nowt will be done
Labour: tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, so long as it's motoring related and the motorist is driving a registered car with a number plate we can read easily so we can send him a bill, sorry, a fine, without catching him, otherwise **** off!
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Labour: tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, so long as it's motoring related and the motorist is driving a registered car with a number plate we can read easily so we can send him a bill, sorry, a fine, without catching him, otherwise **** off!
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17 July 2008, 10:24 AM
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"Police-recorded crime in England and Wales fell 9% in the 12 months to March, latest figures suggest."
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was "extremely pleased" with the overall crime reduction.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was "extremely pleased" with the overall crime reduction.
When are they going to figure out the reason it's dropped is that the public have lost so much confidence in the abilities of the police that they no longer bother to report crime anymore?
Jacqui Smith says she's extremely pleased - well I'm sure she is; she probably had the statistics altered by Labour's professional spin doctors to suit her purpose.
In fact, I think that spin is the only thing this government's good at. Problem is, people are starting to realise everything that comes out of the Labour camp is bullsh*t. And what will they do then...?
17 July 2008, 10:25 AM
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Crime overall hasn't fallen. It's just that less and less things are recorded as crimes, now, and less and less people report things as they know nowt will be done
Labour: tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, so long as it's motoring related and the motorist is driving a registered car with a number plate we can read easily so we can send him a bill, sorry, a fine, without catching him, otherwise **** off!
Alcazar
Labour: tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, so long as it's motoring related and the motorist is driving a registered car with a number plate we can read easily so we can send him a bill, sorry, a fine, without catching him, otherwise **** off!
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17 July 2008, 10:25 AM
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Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was "extremely pleased" with the overall reduction.
hmm.... another case of NuLabor propaganda broadcast via the State Propaganda Production Agency - aka the BBC
I'm afraid I belive nothing much of what either have to say these days
hmm.... another case of NuLabor propaganda broadcast via the State Propaganda Production Agency - aka the BBC
I'm afraid I belive nothing much of what either have to say these days
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17 July 2008, 10:36 AM
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There was a report in the paper yesterday where the police are to be targetted to respond to emergencies within 3 hours, and all other incidents in 3 days.
I really does beg the question, "why bother".
A friend of mine, when he lived in Hackney, reported an man standing in the middle of the road, half naked, aggressively waving a large knife at anyone passing. It took over 2 hours to for the police to respond - with one PC on foot.
However, a few old dears playing greens bowling without paying their fees recently, got a response of 7 coppers in 4 cars with sirens blaring.
I really does beg the question, "why bother".
A friend of mine, when he lived in Hackney, reported an man standing in the middle of the road, half naked, aggressively waving a large knife at anyone passing. It took over 2 hours to for the police to respond - with one PC on foot.
However, a few old dears playing greens bowling without paying their fees recently, got a response of 7 coppers in 4 cars with sirens blaring.
17 July 2008, 10:56 AM
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The point is though, do we trust those who record the crimes to manage to include them all, or do many crimes not appear anyway for one reason or another.
How many of these disturbances and threatening behaviour which we cant get the police to do anything about anyway but are still crimes against the public or even thieving which has not been solved count on the list.
Les
How many of these disturbances and threatening behaviour which we cant get the police to do anything about anyway but are still crimes against the public or even thieving which has not been solved count on the list.
Les
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17 July 2008, 12:05 PM
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Apparently does not include crimes by the under 16 age group - outstanding!
Aklso does not include unreported crimes - According to a A&E doc interviewed recntly many of the stabing victims he sees do not report the crime - non crime then.
It just does not show the whole picture, especially the real serious stuff affecting us all - or could affect us so easily.
Aklso does not include unreported crimes - According to a A&E doc interviewed recntly many of the stabing victims he sees do not report the crime - non crime then.
It just does not show the whole picture, especially the real serious stuff affecting us all - or could affect us so easily.
17 July 2008, 12:35 PM
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Last time I rang 999 to report some kids vandalizing the local school, I was told to ring the non emergency number. I won't bother next time.
People have lost faith in the police/ justice system so no long report crimes.
Some ****** has ripped the front badge off my subaru, and tried to prise off the fog light covers. Is it criminal damage? yes Will the police give a flying fu ck if I ring them? no.
People have lost faith in the police/ justice system so no long report crimes.
Some ****** has ripped the front badge off my subaru, and tried to prise off the fog light covers. Is it criminal damage? yes Will the police give a flying fu ck if I ring them? no.
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Obviously this is all crime. Not just violent crime or knife crime.
The BCS figures are fairly reliable - Any mentions of "unreported crime" are completely, completely unquantifiable. You could say that there are 2,000,000 unreported crimes a year, or you could say there are 20, there is no way to prove or disprove either.
The BCS figures are fairly reliable - Any mentions of "unreported crime" are completely, completely unquantifiable. You could say that there are 2,000,000 unreported crimes a year, or you could say there are 20, there is no way to prove or disprove either.
17 July 2008, 12:50 PM
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Obviously this is all crime. Not just violent crime or knife crime.
The BCS figures are fairly reliable - Any mentions of "unreported crime" are completely, completely unquantifiable. You could say that there are 2,000,000 unreported crimes a year, or you could say there are 20, there is no way to prove or disprove either.
The BCS figures are fairly reliable - Any mentions of "unreported crime" are completely, completely unquantifiable. You could say that there are 2,000,000 unreported crimes a year, or you could say there are 20, there is no way to prove or disprove either.
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17 July 2008, 03:39 PM
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Crime overall hasn't fallen. It's just that less and less things are recorded as crimes, now, and less and less people report things as they know nowt will be done
Labour: tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, so long as it's motoring related and the motorist is driving a registered car with a number plate we can read easily so we can send him a bill, sorry, a fine, without catching him, otherwise **** off!
Alcazar
Labour: tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime, so long as it's motoring related and the motorist is driving a registered car with a number plate we can read easily so we can send him a bill, sorry, a fine, without catching him, otherwise **** off!
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17 July 2008, 04:14 PM
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Obviously this is all crime. Not just violent crime or knife crime.
The BCS figures are fairly reliable - Any mentions of "unreported crime" are completely, completely unquantifiable. You could say that there are 2,000,000 unreported crimes a year, or you could say there are 20, there is no way to prove or disprove either.
The BCS figures are fairly reliable - Any mentions of "unreported crime" are completely, completely unquantifiable. You could say that there are 2,000,000 unreported crimes a year, or you could say there are 20, there is no way to prove or disprove either.
17 July 2008, 05:16 PM
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It is. Hospitals report stabbings, or paramedics attending call it in.
17 July 2008, 06:39 PM
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It's a paradox, recorded crime has been going down over the last few years yet people's fear of crime is going up.
There have been more knife attacks in London recently and the papers and TV are full of angst about what we should do, yet knife crime has gone down in other parts of the UK and we hear nothing about it. Glasgow has had some of the highest knife crime in Western Europe for years, double the rate of London, yet the London based media clearly weren't interested in the story. It would be good to have some objective reporting on it all....
There have been more knife attacks in London recently and the papers and TV are full of angst about what we should do, yet knife crime has gone down in other parts of the UK and we hear nothing about it. Glasgow has had some of the highest knife crime in Western Europe for years, double the rate of London, yet the London based media clearly weren't interested in the story. It would be good to have some objective reporting on it all....
18 July 2008, 04:13 AM
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Like inflation, its worse than Gordons figures would show.
18 July 2008, 07:11 AM
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It's a good general rule that people in England never believe crime is going down, no matter what the figures, or who produced them. If the figures really are falling in any area of crime, then the English just stop talking about that type of crime so they con pick another type of offence to whinge about.
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18 July 2008, 07:11 AM
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r32: Let me ask you this: has car theft increased or decreased over the last 10 years? Tip: Vehicle crime is down by 61% since the peak in 1995 (according to the home office).
As was said earlier in the thread the fear of crime has risen, but actual crime itself probably hasn't. No one knows for sure though.
Inflation is a standardised ILO measure so Gordy can't **** with it, unlike the 18 non-standard changes that were made to the way unemployment was measured under the last Tory government.
As was said earlier in the thread the fear of crime has risen, but actual crime itself probably hasn't. No one knows for sure though.
Inflation is a standardised ILO measure so Gordy can't **** with it, unlike the 18 non-standard changes that were made to the way unemployment was measured under the last Tory government.
18 July 2008, 09:50 AM
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r32: Let me ask you this: has car theft increased or decreased over the last 10 years? Tip: Vehicle crime is down by 61% since the peak in 1995 (according to the home office).
As was said earlier in the thread the fear of crime has risen, but actual crime itself probably hasn't. No one knows for sure though.
As was said earlier in the thread the fear of crime has risen, but actual crime itself probably hasn't. No one knows for sure though.
18 July 2008, 02:29 PM
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It's a good general rule that people in England never believe crime is going down, no matter what the figures, or who produced them. If the figures really are falling in any area of crime, then the English just stop talking about that type of crime so they con pick another type of offence to whinge about.
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18 July 2008, 02:40 PM
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All this rubbish i keep hearing about knife crime is just jarring me!
Really it is not something new but something that has been going on for years and years and the only reason why the papers are full of it at the moment is because they have nothing else to do and the people who control the media (the Government) wont to bring in this new rule that they (the police) can stop and search anyone with no reason!
So by scaring us telling us how much knife crime there is when they do bring it in no one will have anything wrong to say against it as the media has already made us all scared that we may get knifed for nothing!
And the new rule will only make people hate the police even more as they will be stopping everyone for nothing!
Who controls the world??? The News!
My 50p anyway
Really it is not something new but something that has been going on for years and years and the only reason why the papers are full of it at the moment is because they have nothing else to do and the people who control the media (the Government) wont to bring in this new rule that they (the police) can stop and search anyone with no reason!
So by scaring us telling us how much knife crime there is when they do bring it in no one will have anything wrong to say against it as the media has already made us all scared that we may get knifed for nothing!
And the new rule will only make people hate the police even more as they will be stopping everyone for nothing!
Who controls the world??? The News!
My 50p anyway
18 July 2008, 08:21 PM
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No, because it goes back a good deal more than eleven years. I remember (and so should you, I believe) exactly the same arguments in the days of the Blessed Margaret. I'd bet money that the same whinging has been going on since people actually started gathering statistics. And the English were probably making the same complaints before that, except then they couldn't accuse the government/King of massaging the figures because there weren't any. Mind you, for most of history the people governing the country have been lying about crime rates...
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19 July 2008, 12:19 PM
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No, because it goes back a good deal more than eleven years. I remember (and so should you, I believe) exactly the same arguments in the days of the Blessed Margaret. I'd bet money that the same whinging has been going on since people actually started gathering statistics. And the English were probably making the same complaints before that, except then they couldn't accuse the government/King of massaging the figures because there weren't any. Mind you, for most of history the people governing the country have been lying about crime rates...
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I would be inclined to agree with what you say about previous times, and probably for the same sorts of reasons!
Les