Dog attacks up some 43% in four years
27 February 2008, 08:45 AM
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Dog attacks up some 43% in four years
BBC - Newsbeat - Health - 'Disturbing' rise in dog attacks
"According to new NHS figures, the number of adults and children being admitted to A&E following a dog attack is up 43% in the last four years.
The problem seems particularly bad in certain parts of the country.
In London, the number of attacks on children is up 120%; in the West Midlands, there were 80% more. "
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"He told Newsbeat: "We are seeing an increase in these breeds, but also an increase in a particular type of owner."
But you can "never blame the dog for its behaviour", he added.
The government insists existing laws to control dangerous dogs are strong enough.
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So then, looks like a "particular type of owner", i wonder just who they have in mind then, bares out what a lot of people have been saying on SN
1) Attacks on the increase
2) irresponsible owners to blame for dogs behaviour
"According to new NHS figures, the number of adults and children being admitted to A&E following a dog attack is up 43% in the last four years.
The problem seems particularly bad in certain parts of the country.
In London, the number of attacks on children is up 120%; in the West Midlands, there were 80% more. "
and
"He told Newsbeat: "We are seeing an increase in these breeds, but also an increase in a particular type of owner."
But you can "never blame the dog for its behaviour", he added.
The government insists existing laws to control dangerous dogs are strong enough.
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So then, looks like a "particular type of owner", i wonder just who they have in mind then, bares out what a lot of people have been saying on SN
1) Attacks on the increase
2) irresponsible owners to blame for dogs behaviour
27 February 2008, 08:52 AM
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43% sounds massive doesn;t it.
But then take those numbers as what they really are.
4,000 dog attacks resulting in hospitalisation
6,000,000 dogs in the UK.
60,000,000 People in the UK
So, your chances of being attacked by a dog? 0.007%
I.e. bugger all.
As for who is to blame for the attacks - obviously in a few (very few) cases the dog spontaneously attacks, but sure, there will be a majority due to irresponsible ownership.
Do the figures warrant a licensing scheme and the money it will cost to administrate it and police it?
Not even close.
But then take those numbers as what they really are.
4,000 dog attacks resulting in hospitalisation
6,000,000 dogs in the UK.
60,000,000 People in the UK
So, your chances of being attacked by a dog? 0.007%
I.e. bugger all.
As for who is to blame for the attacks - obviously in a few (very few) cases the dog spontaneously attacks, but sure, there will be a majority due to irresponsible ownership.
Do the figures warrant a licensing scheme and the money it will cost to administrate it and police it?
Not even close.
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27 February 2008, 09:26 AM
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43% sounds massive doesn;t it.
But then take those numbers as what they really are.
4,000 dog attacks resulting in hospitalisation
6,000,000 dogs in the UK.
60,000,000 People in the UK
So, your chances of being attacked by a dog? 0.007%
I.e. bugger all.
As for who is to blame for the attacks - obviously in a few (very few) cases the dog spontaneously attacks, but sure, there will be a majority due to irresponsible ownership.
Do the figures warrant a licensing scheme and the money it will cost to administrate it and police it?
Not even close.
But then take those numbers as what they really are.
4,000 dog attacks resulting in hospitalisation
6,000,000 dogs in the UK.
60,000,000 People in the UK
So, your chances of being attacked by a dog? 0.007%
I.e. bugger all.
As for who is to blame for the attacks - obviously in a few (very few) cases the dog spontaneously attacks, but sure, there will be a majority due to irresponsible ownership.
Do the figures warrant a licensing scheme and the money it will cost to administrate it and police it?
Not even close.
27 February 2008, 09:28 AM
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I support that opinion Flightman...
...when do you think we should care Pete? What for a few more years of 43% increases before doing anything?
I've said it many times, have a license scheme. Stops the wrong type of person owning the wrong type of dog.
...when do you think we should care Pete? What for a few more years of 43% increases before doing anything?
I've said it many times, have a license scheme. Stops the wrong type of person owning the wrong type of dog.
27 February 2008, 09:33 AM
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It may be a slim chance, the fact of the matter it it has increased significantly, at what point do we haver to take it seriously, is there a number or should we treat this as a warning of things to come and be proactive and see that there is a problem.
Problem being the wrong sort of owners in a lot of the cases!
Hypothetically speaking - following your logic though pete, murderers and rapists, lets say 0000.00001% of the population is a convited murderer and rapist, it is not a big problem to the masses, shal we just ignore it until say 10% of the population is murdered as there is a significant increase in the number of rapists and murderers. OK, yes extreme but at what poiint do you start caring then?
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43% sounds massive doesn;t it.
But then take those numbers as what they really are.
4,000 dog attacks resulting in hospitalisation
6,000,000 dogs in the UK.
60,000,000 People in the UK
So, your chances of being attacked by a dog? 0.007%
I.e. bugger all.
As for who is to blame for the attacks - obviously in a few (very few) cases the dog spontaneously attacks, but sure, there will be a majority due to irresponsible ownership.
Do the figures warrant a licensing scheme and the money it will cost to administrate it and police it?
Not even close.
But then take those numbers as what they really are.
4,000 dog attacks resulting in hospitalisation
6,000,000 dogs in the UK.
60,000,000 People in the UK
So, your chances of being attacked by a dog? 0.007%
I.e. bugger all.
As for who is to blame for the attacks - obviously in a few (very few) cases the dog spontaneously attacks, but sure, there will be a majority due to irresponsible ownership.
Do the figures warrant a licensing scheme and the money it will cost to administrate it and police it?
Not even close.
Christ I actually agree with you on this one Pete.
I need to Lay down
27 February 2008, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Luminous
...when do you think we should care Pete? What for a few more years of 43% increases before doing anything?
I've said it many times, have a license scheme. Stops the wrong type of person owning the wrong type of dog.
I've said it many times, have a license scheme. Stops the wrong type of person owning the wrong type of dog.
How would licensing stop the wrong type of person owning a dog?
What are you going to base it on?
How are you going to pay for it?
Who is going to pay for it?
How are you going to police it?
Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Hypothetically speaking - following your logic though pete, murderers and rapists, lets say 0000.00001% of the population is a convited murderer and rapist, it is not a big problem to the masses, shal we just ignore it until say 10% of the population is murdered as there is a significant increase in the number of rapists and murderers. OK, yes extreme but at what poiint do you start caring then?
From this, the logical conclusion is to have a compulsary DNA databse...
You cater for the majority not the tiny minority -This is not an epidemic of dog attacks no matter how much the media is trying to portray it as such - Laws exist o destroy dangerous dogs and prosecute owners - a licensing system will not stop dog attacks.
Originally Posted by stilover
Christ
I actually agree with you on this one Pete.
I actually agree with you on this one Pete.
27 February 2008, 10:20 AM
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So, by that logic we should stop all people driving cars, because the likelyhood of being hit by a car is massively higher than that.
It would take decades for it become a serious problem 43% of **** all is **** all.
How would licensing stop the wrong type of person owning a dog?
What are you going to base it on?
How are you going to pay for it?
Who is going to pay for it?
How are you going to police it?
You've got it the wrong way round - What you are suggesting is in effect, assume everyone is a rapist.
From this, the logical conclusion is to have a compulsary DNA databse...
You cater for the majority not the tiny minority -This is not an epidemic of dog attacks no matter how much the media is trying to portray it as such - Laws exist o destroy dangerous dogs and prosecute owners - a licensing system will not stop dog attacks.
Law of averages says it had to happen one day
It would take decades for it become a serious problem 43% of **** all is **** all.
How would licensing stop the wrong type of person owning a dog?
What are you going to base it on?
How are you going to pay for it?
Who is going to pay for it?
How are you going to police it?
You've got it the wrong way round - What you are suggesting is in effect, assume everyone is a rapist.
From this, the logical conclusion is to have a compulsary DNA databse...
You cater for the majority not the tiny minority -This is not an epidemic of dog attacks no matter how much the media is trying to portray it as such - Laws exist o destroy dangerous dogs and prosecute owners - a licensing system will not stop dog attacks.
Law of averages says it had to happen one day
I just thank god (well i would if not agnostic) or is it dog that you where not in charge in the 1930's or we would not be having this discussion, or at least not in English and i would be sat in my laderhose and tucking into bratwurst!
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OK thats it everyone, lock your doors, turn the power off, and dont handle any tin or glass objects.
Talk about paranoid or what lol
Final Destination 4?
Statistically there is a VERY low chance of a bite. Eliminating it totally, not gonna happen. Well trained dogs still bite handlers. Well educated kids still commit crime, and people still die in 5* rated cars in crashes....
Its pretty clear some people just dont like dogs, others want to see better control over dogs AND keepers, and others are happy with the state of play.
Getting really boring now to say the least. Infact most of use could probably predict each others responses each time. So why the repetition?
As for believing officially released figures in any aspect of life....
lol
Unemployment is down, up, down, up, down, up.... depending on which figures you read.
Youth crime, same.
Race crime, same....
Talk about paranoid or what lol
Final Destination 4?
Statistically there is a VERY low chance of a bite. Eliminating it totally, not gonna happen. Well trained dogs still bite handlers. Well educated kids still commit crime, and people still die in 5* rated cars in crashes....
Its pretty clear some people just dont like dogs, others want to see better control over dogs AND keepers, and others are happy with the state of play.
Getting really boring now to say the least. Infact most of use could probably predict each others responses each time. So why the repetition?
As for believing officially released figures in any aspect of life....
lol
Unemployment is down, up, down, up, down, up.... depending on which figures you read.
Youth crime, same.
Race crime, same....
27 February 2008, 11:43 AM
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OK thats it everyone, lock your doors, turn the power off, and dont handle any tin or glass objects.
Talk about paranoid or what lol
Final Destination 4?
Statistically there is a VERY low chance of a bite. Eliminating it totally, not gonna happen. Well trained dogs still bite handlers. Well educated kids still commit crime, and people still die in 5* rated cars in crashes....
Its pretty clear some people just dont like dogs, others want to see better control over dogs AND keepers, and others are happy with the state of play.
Getting really boring now to say the least. Infact most of use could probably predict each others responses each time. So why the repetition?
As for believing officially released figures in any aspect of life....
lol
Unemployment is down, up, down, up, down, up.... depending on which figures you read.
Youth crime, same.
Race crime, same....
Talk about paranoid or what lol
Final Destination 4?
Statistically there is a VERY low chance of a bite. Eliminating it totally, not gonna happen. Well trained dogs still bite handlers. Well educated kids still commit crime, and people still die in 5* rated cars in crashes....
Its pretty clear some people just dont like dogs, others want to see better control over dogs AND keepers, and others are happy with the state of play.
Getting really boring now to say the least. Infact most of use could probably predict each others responses each time. So why the repetition?
As for believing officially released figures in any aspect of life....
lol
Unemployment is down, up, down, up, down, up.... depending on which figures you read.
Youth crime, same.
Race crime, same....
Les
27 February 2008, 11:48 AM
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OK thats it everyone, lock your doors, turn the power off, and dont handle any tin or glass objects.
Talk about paranoid or what lol
Final Destination 4?
Statistically there is a VERY low chance of a bite. Eliminating it totally, not gonna happen. Well trained dogs still bite handlers. Well educated kids still commit crime, and people still die in 5* rated cars in crashes....
Its pretty clear some people just dont like dogs, others want to see better control over dogs AND keepers, and others are happy with the state of play.
Getting really boring now to say the least. Infact most of use could probably predict each others responses each time. So why the repetition?
As for believing officially released figures in any aspect of life....
lol
Unemployment is down, up, down, up, down, up.... depending on which figures you read.
Youth crime, same.
Race crime, same....
Talk about paranoid or what lol
Final Destination 4?
Statistically there is a VERY low chance of a bite. Eliminating it totally, not gonna happen. Well trained dogs still bite handlers. Well educated kids still commit crime, and people still die in 5* rated cars in crashes....
Its pretty clear some people just dont like dogs, others want to see better control over dogs AND keepers, and others are happy with the state of play.
Getting really boring now to say the least. Infact most of use could probably predict each others responses each time. So why the repetition?
As for believing officially released figures in any aspect of life....
lol
Unemployment is down, up, down, up, down, up.... depending on which figures you read.
Youth crime, same.
Race crime, same....
Yup, some people hate dogs, some people love dogs, some people are attacked by dogs ans some people should not own a dog but do because they have the money to buy it if not the care, patients and responsible attitude to do so.
It has been discussed a lot but now with some facts and figures to mull over, if you find it boring then do not contribute. Personally, i would rather you did
SN is not compulsary.
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I walked from the centre of my nearest town to my friends house the other day which is on probably the nicest most expensive road in the town centre and saw 4 dogs with owners, all of them were Bull Terrier types and all the owners were scum
On the other hand one of my friends has the cutest puppy (well yr old now) ever that wouldn't ever hurt anyone
On the other hand one of my friends has the cutest puppy (well yr old now) ever that wouldn't ever hurt anyone
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They should make these "I am Scum" neon signs compulsary, would save all sorts of confusion
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The very reason i posted this is finally some figures are out there, finally some stats which on the face of it show an increase.
It has been discussed a lot but now with some facts and figures to mull over, if you find it boring then do not contribute. Personally, i would rather you did
SN is not compulsary.
It has been discussed a lot but now with some facts and figures to mull over, if you find it boring then do not contribute. Personally, i would rather you did
SN is not compulsary.
Nor one particular person."Reported" dog bites are on the increase..... but its hard to tell really as the UK record so little statistically about dog bites. Quite shocking considering there is an "epedemic" of it going on.
I do totally agree that something needs to be done. But just get so bored of the repetition of, dog bite, rotty, dangerous dog, kill them all, chav dogs, irresponsible owners, ban them, licence them.... blah blah blah.
Dogs are animals TRUE
Dogs are unpredictable (even the best trained) TRUE
Dogs can be trusted 100% FALSE
Its all down to the breed FALSE
The owner and upbringing makes a big difference TRUE
Dogs should be controlled when around the public and in places that circumstances are out of your control TRUE (but we can all fight about this one later lol)
Just my opinions of course, something we are all entitled to. But the one thing EVERYONE needs to have in common is using a little bit of common sense when choosing our dogs, training our dogs and letting them be around other people.
And something breeders, even farms should do is take a little more responsibility in who dogs are sold to.
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i can see it now, "just because Hitler has reinsitiuted weapons building and increased his armed forces beyond the agreed limits does not mean he is a bad man does it., He hasn't done anything wrong so leave him alone"
