This is terrible but why couldn't they save him...
25 June 2007, 06:04 PM
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This is terrible but why couldn't they save him...
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Surely in the 3 hours he was alive they could have mustered some breathing aparatus from somewhere, ie the police divers were there so why didn't they put the gear on the bloke? Also surely cutting hit foot free would have been a better option than him drowning, even if it meant heavy blood loss and infection, at least he would have had a chance.
Any emergency services people on here know why this sort of stuff isn't possible/realistic? Obviously they did their best so not criticising them, just don't understand why they couldn't save the bloke
Surely in the 3 hours he was alive they could have mustered some breathing aparatus from somewhere, ie the police divers were there so why didn't they put the gear on the bloke? Also surely cutting hit foot free would have been a better option than him drowning, even if it meant heavy blood loss and infection, at least he would have had a chance.
Any emergency services people on here know why this sort of stuff isn't possible/realistic? Obviously they did their best so not criticising them, just don't understand why they couldn't save the bloke
25 June 2007, 06:43 PM
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Water is one of the greatest natural forces that catches out some of the best equipt emergency services around the world.
This was tragic but by the sounds of it, not preventable.
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25 June 2007, 07:26 PM
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Water is a mysterious thing.
I've been thrown off the face of a double overhead wave onto a rockface and had a few bruises, yet I've tripped over in fast flowing river water no more than 2ft deep and nearly drowned.
Horrible, horrible story - what a grim way to die.
I've been thrown off the face of a double overhead wave onto a rockface and had a few bruises, yet I've tripped over in fast flowing river water no more than 2ft deep and nearly drowned.
Horrible, horrible story - what a grim way to die.
25 June 2007, 07:31 PM
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25 June 2007, 08:03 PM
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Looking at the pictures of the drain on the news it looks like he was in the vertical part of a fairly narrow manhole, so there wouldn't have been room to get at his ankle. It was probably hypothermia that killed him.
I'd have got a JCB and be digging the whole thing out of the road with him inside. (I realise that is probably stupid and wouldn't work).
I'd have got a JCB and be digging the whole thing out of the road with him inside. (I realise that is probably stupid and wouldn't work).
25 June 2007, 08:10 PM
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That happened local to where I am. They were giving him oxygen from the minute the emergency services arrived. Sounds like it was the cold that got to him. The news was leaked before his father was made aware too
25 June 2007, 08:12 PM
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Seen this on the news,really sad way for the guy to go, i also thought the same as Ricardo. I thought they could have maybe dug a hole right beside the manhole and got to him from there or caused it to collapse,thus releasing the guy.
I know its easy sitting here and speculating and i'm sure the rescuers done everything possible.
i also thought the same as Ricardo. I thought they could have maybe dug a hole right beside the manhole and got to him from there or caused it to collapse,thus releasing the guy.I know its easy sitting here and speculating and i'm sure the rescuers done everything possible.
25 June 2007, 08:15 PM
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They were knocking down garden walls to encourge the water to flow away from where he was trapped. You had to be round here to appreciate what a nightmare it's been.
25 June 2007, 09:21 PM
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live just round the corner from there but im not too worried abot it flooding ----- yet .
25 June 2007, 09:46 PM
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Enigma , just off chanterlands ave if you recognise it
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1182801873
live just round the corner from there but im not too worried abot it flooding ----- yet .
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...g?t=1182801873
live just round the corner from there but im not too worried abot it flooding ----- yet .
26 June 2007, 12:15 AM
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I cannot comment on the exact incident as I don't know that brigades policy on water rescue but I'll put it to you that one of the guys at my station was nearly disciplined due to a water rescue. Our brigades policy on water rescue is that firefighters will not enter the water and the officer in charge should not have his plan altered by any form of pressure from the on-looking crowd.
When we are called we can throw ropes or provide lighting!!
The guy from my station would certainly recieved some form of discipline for not following the safe system of work that our brigade supply had it not hit the national press. He saved an unconcious, young woman's life and put himself in hospital. Months have passed and yet we have no more equipment nor have any of the senior management asked if the firefighter in question is OK now (he did however get interviewed for sickness/abscence monitoring
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It's all about saving pound notes not lives!
There is nothing worse than watching the life drain from someone in fornt of you. It's the type of thing you never get used to. You harden to it but never get used to it.
It must have been hellish on both sides!
When we are called we can throw ropes or provide lighting!!
The guy from my station would certainly recieved some form of discipline for not following the safe system of work that our brigade supply had it not hit the national press. He saved an unconcious, young woman's life and put himself in hospital. Months have passed and yet we have no more equipment nor have any of the senior management asked if the firefighter in question is OK now (he did however get interviewed for sickness/abscence monitoring
)It's all about saving pound notes not lives!
There is nothing worse than watching the life drain from someone in fornt of you. It's the type of thing you never get used to. You harden to it but never get used to it.
It must have been hellish on both sides!
26 June 2007, 09:59 AM
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I cannot comment on the exact incident as I don't know that brigades policy on water rescue but I'll put it to you that one of the guys at my station was nearly disciplined due to a water rescue. Our brigades policy on water rescue is that firefighters will not enter the water and the officer in charge should not have his plan altered by any form of pressure from the on-looking crowd.
When we are called we can throw ropes or provide lighting!!
The guy from my station would certainly recieved some form of discipline for not following the safe system of work that our brigade supply had it not hit the national press. He saved an unconcious, young woman's life and put himself in hospital. Months have passed and yet we have no more equipment nor have any of the senior management asked if the firefighter in question is OK now (he did however get interviewed for sickness/abscence monitoring )
It's all about saving pound notes not lives!
There is nothing worse than watching the life drain from someone in fornt of you. It's the type of thing you never get used to. You harden to it but never get used to it.
It must have been hellish on both sides!
When we are called we can throw ropes or provide lighting!!
The guy from my station would certainly recieved some form of discipline for not following the safe system of work that our brigade supply had it not hit the national press. He saved an unconcious, young woman's life and put himself in hospital. Months have passed and yet we have no more equipment nor have any of the senior management asked if the firefighter in question is OK now (he did however get interviewed for sickness/abscence monitoring
)It's all about saving pound notes not lives!
There is nothing worse than watching the life drain from someone in fornt of you. It's the type of thing you never get used to. You harden to it but never get used to it.
It must have been hellish on both sides!
I know where you're coming from, our bosses, sorry 'line managers', are so terrified of letting us take the slightest risk.
It's so frustrating at times.
26 June 2007, 10:09 AM
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26 June 2007, 11:13 AM
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Bonehead / PG - Just wanted to say that you guys do a great job. Ive been in a few situations requiring the fire crews / ambalances, and that feeling of joy / safety you get when you see you guys turn up !!!
I cant comment on the situation of this poor guy, sounds a terrible situation, but I would imagine those fire crews would of done as much as they can.
Im not a fan of the poilce, I find them, from my experiences and Ive had many, jumped up little to55ers that look for the easy nick, but fire crews / ambalances, well, I take my hat off to you guys.
Keep up the good work boys !
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I cant comment on the situation of this poor guy, sounds a terrible situation, but I would imagine those fire crews would of done as much as they can.
Im not a fan of the poilce, I find them, from my experiences and Ive had many, jumped up little to55ers that look for the easy nick, but fire crews / ambalances, well, I take my hat off to you guys.
Keep up the good work boys !
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26 June 2007, 12:01 PM
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I heard that it was hypthermia that finished him off and it is a terrible thing to happen. He was trying to help someone else out too. I think they were doing all that was possible to save him. Its a bit like that young bloke who was drowned near here in a swollen river when his canoe was caught by an underwater barbed wire and he was dragged under. They could not save him however much they tried.
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26 June 2007, 01:18 PM
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Hypothermia would have been the culprit, you can stop someone from drowning by giving them a respirator, but the only practical way of negating hypothermia is to remove the person from the environment that is causing it. Removing the limb would have been neigh on impossible under those circumstances and the procedure would have been considered only as an absolute last resort, by which time the "in the field surgery" combined with the hypothermia would have most likely finished the poor fella off anyway.
Absolutely dreadful, no-win situation to be in. Feel so sorry for all involved who must be absolutely gutted!
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Absolutely dreadful, no-win situation to be in. Feel so sorry for all involved who must be absolutely gutted!
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