Travelling by Air??
10 August 2006, 07:26 AM
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Travelling by Air??
The good news is the latest plot to blow us up has been foiled
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm
I hope the 18 people caught - if guilty - provide useful information to the authorities. Meanwhile the rest of us need to be aware of new restrictions because of the current security threat
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778615.stm
No doubt in a week or so this latest plot will be forgotten (until it comes to court) because it didn't succeed. But it's nice to know that we have people trying to look after us. It's not nice to know that 18 scumbags felt that it was OK to try and blow us up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm
I hope the 18 people caught - if guilty - provide useful information to the authorities. Meanwhile the rest of us need to be aware of new restrictions because of the current security threat
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778615.stm
No doubt in a week or so this latest plot will be forgotten (until it comes to court) because it didn't succeed. But it's nice to know that we have people trying to look after us. It's not nice to know that 18 scumbags felt that it was OK to try and blow us up.
10 August 2006, 07:58 AM
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Strange that they suddenly need this level of security for hand luggage. Are they saying that their normal screening methods are useless? If they're not then why the change? Does hold luggage get checked any more rigourously? I think not ... More to do with preparing us for John Reids '.. curbs on our freedoms in the short term ... '
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10 August 2006, 08:07 AM
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reading between the lines - I think the plot was to smuggle the parts onboard through hand luggage and then build the device whilst in the sky. Would appear to be a liquid based explosive due to restrictions on having to taste baby milk before being allowed to take on board.
if they sum parts could be easily hidden, then best bet is to say no to anything in the cabbin.
echo above, good to know we have the intel to catch these before they get to far along...lets hope non slip through the net.
if they sum parts could be easily hidden, then best bet is to say no to anything in the cabbin.
echo above, good to know we have the intel to catch these before they get to far along...lets hope non slip through the net.
10 August 2006, 08:19 AM
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Just reading a fabulous book about WW2 (The War and Uncle Walter) - it's basically an old guys diaries that he kept from 1939 - 1945. He never had any intention of them being published - they were discovered in his attic long after he died.
Anyway, when you see what people had to put up with on a daily basis -disruption every single day on the roads due to bloody great holes blown in them, neighbourhoods being wiped out over night, never getting a full nights sleep due to air raid warnings, rationing etc. - and they pretty well just got on with it.
We're effectively at war now - and all many people seem to do is whinge about personal freedoms and having to queue a bit longer at the airport. Of course it would be wonderful if everyone in the world was lovely and nice and didn't keep trying to blow each other up - but they do - and it's best we just get used to whatever security precautions are needed to keep us safe.
Anyway, when you see what people had to put up with on a daily basis -disruption every single day on the roads due to bloody great holes blown in them, neighbourhoods being wiped out over night, never getting a full nights sleep due to air raid warnings, rationing etc. - and they pretty well just got on with it.
We're effectively at war now - and all many people seem to do is whinge about personal freedoms and having to queue a bit longer at the airport. Of course it would be wonderful if everyone in the world was lovely and nice and didn't keep trying to blow each other up - but they do - and it's best we just get used to whatever security precautions are needed to keep us safe.
10 August 2006, 08:24 AM
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I wish, as silly as this sounds, that we were 'at war'. At least then we could 'remove' the threat. Can't say boo to a goose now without the wet lefty civil liberty brigade crying for mommy.
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10 August 2006, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
We're effectively at war now - and all many people seem to do is whinge about personal freedoms and having to queue a bit longer at the airport. Of course it would be wonderful if everyone in the world was lovely and nice and didn't keep trying to blow each other up - but they do - and it's best we just get used to whatever security precautions are needed to keep us safe.
They government can't keep us safe, we've seen that and they have already admitted it will happen again, I'd rather keep a sense of normality rather than being 1 of 60 million people being made to feel like a criminal for trying to lead a normal life. If they want to reduce the risk - pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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They are suggesting that the people arrested were caught with the equipment going to be used which is what led to the ban on hand luggage. As said above the explosives to be used are allegedly liquid based and the components of the bomb stored separately wouldn't lead to obvious detection of explosives.
They think they have caught all the people involved in the plot but they don't know about any backup sleeper cells ready to take up the plot if anything with the primary mission goes wrong hence the immediate increase in security.
The stupid thing is the suggestion of not to travel if nots essential. These aren't car or train journeys that can be cancelled, these are flights that don't refund if you don't go on them, holidays don't get refunded etc. People aren't going to cancel going on holiday just because they say don't travel unless its essential
They think they have caught all the people involved in the plot but they don't know about any backup sleeper cells ready to take up the plot if anything with the primary mission goes wrong hence the immediate increase in security.
The stupid thing is the suggestion of not to travel if nots essential. These aren't car or train journeys that can be cancelled, these are flights that don't refund if you don't go on them, holidays don't get refunded etc. People aren't going to cancel going on holiday just because they say don't travel unless its essential
10 August 2006, 08:32 AM
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no doubt those 18 will be sueing the state for wrongful arrest and accuse the police of 'heavy-handed' racism whilst having child **** on their computers
Lord Shrek...if 'mr kumar from no42' is in the toliet for over 15 minutes on a flight from the US to the UK Lord Shrek will batter the door down
Lord Shrek...if 'mr kumar from no42' is in the toliet for over 15 minutes on a flight from the US to the UK Lord Shrek will batter the door down
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Originally Posted by OllyK
You're trying to compare a couple of suicide attacks (1 failed) by few f**ked up British Muslims to WW2??
They government can't keep us safe, we've seen that and they have already admitted it will happen again, I'd rather keep a sense of normality rather than being 1 of 60 million people being made to feel like a criminal for trying to lead a normal life. If they want to reduce the risk - pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
They government can't keep us safe, we've seen that and they have already admitted it will happen again, I'd rather keep a sense of normality rather than being 1 of 60 million people being made to feel like a criminal for trying to lead a normal life. If they want to reduce the risk - pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'm suggesting that during WW2 the population put up with far worse for far longer with far less winging.Though I'm impressed with your optimism - pulling out of Iraq & Afghanistan would reduce the risk? I thought you were a little more realistic than that.
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no doubt those 18 will be sue the state for wrongful arrest and accuse the police of 'heavy-handed' racism whilst having child **** on their computers
Lord Shrek...if 'mr kumar from no42' is in the toliet for over 15 minutes on a flight from the US to the UK Lord Shrek will batter the door down
Lord Shrek...if 'mr kumar from no42' is in the toliet for over 15 minutes on a flight from the US to the UK Lord Shrek will batter the door down
10 August 2006, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Sky source: "All those arrested were British Muslims".
Shock. Christ it makes my blood boil. British Muslims. Don't get me started.
Shock. Christ it makes my blood boil. British Muslims. Don't get me started.
10 August 2006, 08:56 AM
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I just have visions of my daughter running up the middle of the plane with no nappy on cause they are banned 
Its a sad state of affairs but all credit to action actually being taken.
Its a sad state of affairs but all credit to action actually being taken.
10 August 2006, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by +Doc+
I just have visions of my daughter running up the middle of the plane with no nappy on cause they are banned
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10 August 2006, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
No - imagine you missing my point.... I'm suggesting that during WW2 the population put up with far worse for far longer with far less winging.
I'm suggesting that during WW2 the population put up with far worse for far longer with far less winging.
Though I'm impressed with your optimism - pulling out of Iraq & Afghanistan would reduce the risk? I thought you were a little more realistic than that.
10 August 2006, 09:20 AM
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Not having gone in to Afghanistand and Iraq in the first place would have had the biggest effect. I'm not seeing Russia and China etc being undely worried about Islamic terrorist attacks - are you?
10 August 2006, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Not having gone in to Afghanistand and Iraq in the first place would have had the biggest effect. I'm not seeing Russia and China etc being undely worried about Islamic terrorist attacks - are you?
China may well have a problem but their news is so restricted that we'd never know.
Pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan just tells anyone else who wants us to do something that the best way to influence British foreign policy is through terrorism. How's that going to reduce the threat?
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10 August 2006, 09:28 AM
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Does anyone not find it an extremely strange coincidence that this happens the very day after the head of the Home Office 'Reid' came out with this:
"The UK might have to modify its freedoms in the short term in order to prevent their "misuse and abuse" by terrorists, John Reid has said.
He conceded that was never an easy request, but it was up to everyone to ask: "What price our security, at what cost can we preserve our freedoms?" The UK faced its "most sustained period of severe threat since the end of World War II", the home secretary warned"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5257518.stm
Sorry, but to me the whole thing stinks of government lies
"The UK might have to modify its freedoms in the short term in order to prevent their "misuse and abuse" by terrorists, John Reid has said.
He conceded that was never an easy request, but it was up to everyone to ask: "What price our security, at what cost can we preserve our freedoms?" The UK faced its "most sustained period of severe threat since the end of World War II", the home secretary warned"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5257518.stm
Sorry, but to me the whole thing stinks of government lies
10 August 2006, 09:31 AM
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This country always seems a bit dopey at airports,be it checking passports bags or whatever.Airports abroad normally seem far more intimidating.
As for the other points,aaaaaaaaaargh.It's never the Buddhists or Sikhs or Jehavah's or whoever. It's the 'peaceful' ones
As for the other points,aaaaaaaaaargh.It's never the Buddhists or Sikhs or Jehavah's or whoever. It's the 'peaceful' ones
10 August 2006, 09:31 AM
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You're more of a conspiracy theorist than my Dad, UB!
Yes, it's genuine. This is too major a stunt just to force home domestic policy. Trust me.
Yes, it's genuine. This is too major a stunt just to force home domestic policy. Trust me.
10 August 2006, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
... The terrorists have won again today and haven't even got to the airport. Flights are being cancelled all over Europe, massive dissruption and fear, that's what they are about not mass destruction and at the moment the government are playing right in to their hands - Osama and his mates will be loving all this.
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10 August 2006, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
And the prize for the most stupid comment on Scoobynet goes to you. Do I really need to list the Islamic attacks that have been made against Russia?
10 August 2006, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Their objective is mass destruction and huge loss of life.
10 August 2006, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Wrong.................. the 'objective' is fear and terror, and the methods used are those most likely to cause fear and terror..... which are 'mass destruction' and 'huge loss of life' that's all......
I'm not sure that is the case here. The IRA's purpose was to cause mass fear and/or disruption. It looks as though these people wish to kill otherwise suicide bombers wouldn't be used.
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10 August 2006, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Sky source: "All those arrested were British Muslims".
Shock. Christ it makes my blood boil. British Muslims. Don't get me started.
Shock. Christ it makes my blood boil. British Muslims. Don't get me started.
Goes back to the other thread "What Muslims want"? To Blow up our planes, that's what.
Oh, yes, forgot. It's only a small minority isn't it? We should just ignore them then
10 August 2006, 09:49 AM
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Aparently, you can't take a book on board ??? Surely it's easy to check if a book carried by a family going on there summer holiday is a bomb. Take the book and flick through the pages. If a bomb doesn't fall out, it's a safe bet to say there's no bomb. So why ban books ?? Suppose you could always batter the Pilot to death with it !!