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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 07:55 PM
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a heated argument has broken out as to what is the difference so any explanation would be greatly appreciated please

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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 08:17 PM
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one of them means your ***** is larger than the other ???
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 08:45 PM
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BHP is the measured useable power (called brake because that is what dynamometers effectively do, acts as a brake against which the engine must do work)

HP is the calculated power and is defined such that 1hp is the power required to lift 33,000lbs one foot in one min. A theoretical amount because obviously you could never do this test without using gears etc that would skew the result.
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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Brake.
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 10:19 PM
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same thing mate

or maybe then meant at the flywheel figures atw etc etc


bhp and hp is the same u need that for top end and excellent for drag racing

then u get torque thats pickup speed, pulling power like me im a babe magnet i can pull haha just kidding


u have both u will rock well i have both anyway 610 ft torque and 700 bhp at the mo haha i aint bragging but its true

soon to be 680 or 690 ft torque amen
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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 11:47 PM
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Hoskib - ajm is correct
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:37 AM
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how many horses to pull your carage along.
Imagen 300 horses pulling one car. that **** loads of power
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray_li
how many horses to pull your carage along.
Imagen 300 horses pulling one car. that **** loads of power

it would be sh1te in the twisties though
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray_li
how many horses to pull your carage along.
Imagen 300 horses pulling one car. that **** loads of power
What hell carage? Is it a car in the garage?

Nice, clear explanation, ajm; did you google it or was it real?
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
What hell carage? Is it a car in the garage?

Nice, clear explanation, ajm; did you google it or was it real?

Bubba - I reckon it was real, cos he explains maths stuff that I struggle with
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:52 AM
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300 horses pulling a carriage or 1, does it matter? the only difference is acceleration because 300 horses or 1 they can only run at the same speed (u following?) so 300 horses still only get u to say 40 miles per hour (average speed of a horse for example)but the more horses pulling it the less effort required by each horse so should hit 40mph quicker. make sense? or am I talking bollox? (been drinking so wouldnt suprise me)
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
300 horses pulling a carriage or 1, does it matter? the only difference is acceleration because 300 horses or 1 they can only run at the same speed (u following?) so 300 horses still only get u to say 40 miles per hour (average speed of a horse for example)but the more horses pulling it the less effort required by each horse so should hit 40mph quicker. make sense? or am I talking bollox? (been drinking so wouldnt suprise me)

bollox m8 - don't worry about it though
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:56 AM
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why would I worry, lager gets rid off all worries
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 01:24 AM
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makes perfect sense although iv had a tin or twa an all!
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Nice, clear explanation, ajm; did you google it or was it real?
Former mechanical engineer me... I am a walking conversion table!

If you want it in new money:

1lb = (1/2.2046)kg <-- edited for bubba
1ft = 0.3048m
1min = 60 sec
g = 9.81m/s/s

We need to convert foot pounds per minute into Newton meters per second...

So 1hp = ((33,000/2.2046) x g x 0.3048) / 60 = 746 Watts or 0.746 kW


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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 10:50 AM
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Actually, your average horse puts out around 1.6 hp, the horsepower figure was underestimated to make steam engines seem more powerful to the mill owners.
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 11:33 AM
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The lb to kg conversion's the wrong way round I think.
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
The lb to kg conversion's the wrong way round I think.
well spotted!

Edit: I suppose a careless and embarrassing error proves I didn't google it!
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
BHP is the measured useable power (called brake because that is what dynamometers effectively do, acts as a brake against which the engine must do work)

HP is the calculated power and is defined such that 1hp is the power required to lift 33,000lbs one foot in one min. A theoretical amount because obviously you could never do this test without using gears etc that would skew the result.
cheers fella kind of understand that and TBH no-one in the argument was right anyway
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 01:39 PM
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ajm is a mad scientist! I know because he said so.

And he is right of course

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