Pnic attacks etc...results with Hypnotherapy/Pscychoanalysis (sp!)........
19 February 2003, 01:19 PM
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Just did a quick search and noticed many posts on here in relation to 'panic attacks'... 
I suffered the delight of these and all the associated crap that goes with them (depression/agoraphobia etc) for just over 10 years from age 21-31, and all the shrinks/cognitive therapy/medication/relaxation/tai-chi/diet/herbal remedies/hospitals failed completely
As a final desperate measure I looked up a local pscychoanalyst and within a few sessions he'd identified the deep-rooted prob and got to work on it
Just wondered if anyone else has suffered/tried this route?
I suffered the delight of these and all the associated crap that goes with them (depression/agoraphobia etc) for just over 10 years from age 21-31, and all the shrinks/cognitive therapy/medication/relaxation/tai-chi/diet/herbal remedies/hospitals failed completely
As a final desperate measure I looked up a local pscychoanalyst and within a few sessions he'd identified the deep-rooted prob and got to work on it
Just wondered if anyone else has suffered/tried this route?
19 February 2003, 02:17 PM
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Suffered on and off since 98. Currently taking St Johns Wort and trying cognitive therapy. The thing is I've never spoken to someone who has completely got over it. Some days I'm fine, others I feel a bit edgy. Really only happens now when I'm on the train.
Good luck in your recovery.
Good luck in your recovery.
19 February 2003, 02:27 PM
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Sorry to hear you are still suffering mate
The St Johns Wart certainly helped me (general mood wise) but I found cognitive therapy a bit too 'indirect' for my liking. I was perhaps a bit TOO ILL at the time to take in all the good advice though.
I've not had a panic attack for nearly 2 years now so consider myself cured and I wanted to wait at least a couple of years to say that... as I know they have a brutal habit of re-occurring
Essential reading is 'Self Help for your Nerves' by Dr Claire Weekes..... I just wish I'd had that book 12 years ago
It will pass Jodster ... Good luck to you
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[Edited by SiPie - 2/19/2003 2:28:27 PM]
Sorry to hear you are still suffering mate
The St Johns Wart certainly helped me (general mood wise) but I found cognitive therapy a bit too 'indirect' for my liking. I was perhaps a bit TOO ILL at the time to take in all the good advice though.
I've not had a panic attack for nearly 2 years now so consider myself cured
and I wanted to wait at least a couple of years to say that... as I know they have a brutal habit of re-occurring Essential reading is 'Self Help for your Nerves' by Dr Claire Weekes..... I just wish I'd had that book 12 years ago
It will pass Jodster ... Good luck to you
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[Edited by SiPie - 2/19/2003 2:28:27 PM]
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Thanks for the encouragement. Glad to hear you've cracked it.
I've been getting a better grip over the last year by cutting out the weed, booze and getting proper exercise. This has helped my self esteem and overall confidence. Also putting myself in situations I would normally have avoided and I'm starting to live life more.
My girlfriend left me at the end of 01 as a direct result and I've been angry at myself since but am starting to like me a bit more (sound like a right tart). St Johns Wort has improved my overall state and being happier about life makes dealing with these problems easier. I'm a lot better than I was.
Found this site useful http://panicanxiety.cjb.net/
I've been getting a better grip over the last year by cutting out the weed, booze and getting proper exercise. This has helped my self esteem and overall confidence. Also putting myself in situations I would normally have avoided and I'm starting to live life more.
My girlfriend left me at the end of 01 as a direct result and I've been angry at myself since but am starting to like me a bit more (sound like a right tart). St Johns Wort has improved my overall state and being happier about life makes dealing with these problems easier. I'm a lot better than I was.
Found this site useful http://panicanxiety.cjb.net/
19 February 2003, 03:13 PM
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I'm delighted you've ordered the book
I couldn't believe it when I started reading it... and believe yo me, I've read a whole lot of nonsense on this subject!!!. I honestly thought that someone had looked inside my head and explained all the unanswered questions that I had re-panic and it fully explains all the physical side-effects which gives your body a chance to relax when you ealise it ain't a brain tumour etc after all 
Hope it benefits you the same way.
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[Edited by SiPie - 2/19/2003 3:14:09 PM]
I'm delighted you've ordered the book
I couldn't believe it when I started reading it... and believe yo me, I've read a whole lot of nonsense on this subject!!!
. I honestly thought that someone had looked inside my head and explained all the unanswered questions that I had re-panic and it fully explains all the physical side-effects which gives your body a chance to relax when you ealise it ain't a brain tumour etc after all Hope it benefits you the same way.
Cheers
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[Edited by SiPie - 2/19/2003 3:14:09 PM]
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19 February 2003, 04:41 PM
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Hmmm, I have a condition that really screws me in life and I wonder if its similar. Basically when I get badly stressed I throw up I usually get about 10 seconds warning as my mouth fills with loads of siliva and then I have to run to the toilets. What causes this you ask....women!!!! Well, mainly! I get it in any really stressful or new situation. For example if I up and drove to London tomorrow I'd feel a little sick but be ok (been to London before hence its familure). If I up and flew to another country I'd be sick as **** for the first 24 hours until I'd adapted to my new surroundings and then I'd be fine!?!
With girls its the same! The first date is a nightmare and the ONLY reason I didn't spew when I had my first lunch with AJ is cause I thought there was nothing more involved than two friend meeting. I came VERY close to spewing the first 2 times I went to East Kilbride but managed to control it (just). I'm getting much quicker at adapting to new situations and people but its still the bain of my life. If I was to have a one night stand I know that I'd wake up in the morning, panic like **** and chuck up Is this a panic attack or some other fooked up thing that I suffer from? Most lasses think I'm very quiet and timid but get quite a shock when I've adapted and come out my shell
I figure its just my inability to deal with change but it only seems to be a problem when I'm bothered about the outcome of an event. This is why its a problem with women cause I respect women and for my sins worry about what they think about me. If I could get it in my head that 'its just a ****, who gives a **** who she is/what she thinks' then I'd be fine but I just can do that!
Tisk, and you thought you had problems mate
I usually get about 10 seconds warning as my mouth fills with loads of siliva and then I have to run to the toilets. What causes this you ask....women!!!! Well, mainly! I get it in any really stressful or new situation. For example if I up and drove to London tomorrow I'd feel a little sick but be ok (been to London before hence its familure). If I up and flew to another country I'd be sick as **** for the first 24 hours until I'd adapted to my new surroundings and then I'd be fine!?!With girls its the same! The first date is a nightmare and the ONLY reason I didn't spew when I had my first lunch with AJ is cause I thought there was nothing more involved than two friend meeting. I came VERY close to spewing the first 2 times I went to East Kilbride but managed to control it (just). I'm getting much quicker at adapting to new situations and people but its still the bain of my life. If I was to have a one night stand I know that I'd wake up in the morning, panic like **** and chuck up
Is this a panic attack or some other fooked up thing that I suffer from? Most lasses think I'm very quiet and timid but get quite a shock when I've adapted and come out my shell I figure its just my inability to deal with change but it only seems to be a problem when I'm bothered about the outcome of an event. This is why its a problem with women cause I respect women and for my sins worry about what they think about me. If I could get it in my head that 'its just a ****, who gives a **** who she is/what she thinks' then I'd be fine but I just can do that!
Tisk, and you thought you had problems mate
19 February 2003, 04:49 PM
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No expert mate but I'd say that you have a mild case of 'social phobia'...
To cut all the crap out... it's probably down to your fear of being 'judged'.... (mind you, you survive ok on scoobynet when people are ripping the **** out of you )
Bottom line being that you are maybe too worried about what other people think about you and fear of rejection etc.......blah blah
Everyone's got their problems mate and you seem to be doing pretty well dealing with them on your own
If it ever really get's out of hand then get in touch and I'll recommend you to the hypnotherapist who specialises in this (he's on Biggar road, hence why you saw my shed parked up there in the past).
PS Pretty big of you to come on here saying all that.... makes things a whole lot easier when people know that they ain't the only one with an at times... 'mildly disfunctional head'
[Edited by SiPie - 2/19/2003 4:50:00 PM]
To cut all the crap out... it's probably down to your fear of being 'judged'.... (mind you, you survive ok on scoobynet when people are ripping the **** out of you
)Bottom line being that you are maybe too worried about what other people think about you and fear of rejection etc.......blah blah
Everyone's got their problems mate and you seem to be doing pretty well dealing with them on your own
If it ever really get's out of hand then get in touch and I'll recommend you to the hypnotherapist who specialises in this (he's on Biggar road, hence why you saw my shed parked up there in the past).PS Pretty big of you to come on here saying all that.... makes things a whole lot easier when people know that they ain't the only one with an at times... 'mildly disfunctional head'
[Edited by SiPie - 2/19/2003 4:50:00 PM]
19 February 2003, 04:56 PM
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I must admit it is both embarrassing and frustraiting but it does have some advantages in that it stops be from being a complete *******! It keeps me on my toes with regards to how I treat others. Now that I'm a singleton again it'll be interesting to see how it affects me in the future.
19 February 2003, 04:59 PM
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Cheers mate I know you think its brave AND/OR stupid to admit do something so personal on scoobynet but there are 20,000 registered members and this has been something that IMO has ruled my adult life If someone said they could cure it in return for my scooby despite the loss of £10k worth of car I'd bite their hand off!!
I know you think its brave AND/OR stupid to admit do something so personal on scoobynet but there are 20,000 registered members and this has been something that IMO has ruled my adult life If someone said they could cure it in return for my scooby despite the loss of £10k worth of car I'd bite their hand off!!
19 February 2003, 05:25 PM
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I sufferd for years. Getting fit , CT and prescription drugs sorted me out. How scary is it having panik attacks while driving ? My worst was half way over the Forth Road brige. Scared me ****le$$ for years that bridge. The best advice to anyone is go and see someone about it now.
19 February 2003, 10:28 PM
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Saxo Boy, arent you the guy from South Parth that pukes when he sees a girl ?
Stan ?
Seriously though, my cousin started having panic attacks a few years back and it went on for a while, work saw it happen and got concerned and insisted he saw a doctor, he has been diagnosed with mild Epilepsy and put on medication which has helped but he has had his licence taken off him which is the biggest blow. He did mention a dribbly mouth and his speech goes a bit weird, he then swallows a lot, it happens about every 7 weeks and he knows when its going to happen.
Thing is he has been smoking weed for the last 15 years and used to chide me for not indulging (at least not very often) and used to extol its benefits as being positively health giving which I dont think is the case, in fact I think its probably responsible for his problems, its not like he smoked a bit, it was everyday and I would have a couple of drags and go of my t1ts, he would drive around without any apparent effects.
Weed also (in large ammounts) seems to make you docile and thick and I dont just mean when you have had a spliff.
Stan ?
Seriously though, my cousin started having panic attacks a few years back and it went on for a while, work saw it happen and got concerned and insisted he saw a doctor, he has been diagnosed with mild Epilepsy and put on medication which has helped but he has had his licence taken off him which is the biggest blow. He did mention a dribbly mouth and his speech goes a bit weird, he then swallows a lot, it happens about every 7 weeks and he knows when its going to happen.
Thing is he has been smoking weed for the last 15 years and used to chide me for not indulging (at least not very often) and used to extol its benefits as being positively health giving which I dont think is the case, in fact I think its probably responsible for his problems, its not like he smoked a bit, it was everyday and I would have a couple of drags and go of my t1ts, he would drive around without any apparent effects.
Weed also (in large ammounts) seems to make you docile and thick and I dont just mean when you have had a spliff.
20 February 2003, 09:23 AM
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J4CKO its sort of like stan but not as severe. I'm usually fine and can socialise and chat with guys and girls no problem. The only time it becomes an issue is when I figure out that a lass likes me and feel like I don't know how to deal with the situation. I then get into a vicious cycle of panicing cause I don't want to put her off by getting visibily stressed but get even more stressed by trying not to be stressed 
It usually works best when I meet caring and understanding people.
My first long-term girlfriend used to get annoyed at me and made me feel worse to it actually was a problem for months!! With AJ I explained it to her in detail and when she could see I was beginning to loose it she gave me a cuddle until I settled. As a result I didn't spew and relaxed very quickly. Thanks for being understanding
Whilst I really do HATE it I have adapted to try and use it to my advantage. For example it prevents me from being a complete tart which I suppose in some ways is a good thing?! Also, it can be a good indicator of how caring, sensitive and understanding a lass is. For example, if I can't relax with a lass quickly I know that deep down I feel that she isn't being understanding/caring and/or that I don't trust her. Its sort of useful from that point of view. It does seem to be getting better though, I'm increasingly finding myself in situations that would have previously had me in bits but I've been fine
It usually works best when I meet caring and understanding people.My first long-term girlfriend used to get annoyed at me and made me feel worse to it actually was a problem for months!! With AJ I explained it to her in detail and when she could see I was beginning to loose it she gave me a cuddle until I settled. As a result I didn't spew and relaxed very quickly. Thanks for being understanding
Whilst I really do HATE it I have adapted to try and use it to my advantage. For example it prevents me from being a complete tart which I suppose in some ways is a good thing?! Also, it can be a good indicator of how caring, sensitive and understanding a lass is. For example, if I can't relax with a lass quickly I know that deep down I feel that she isn't being understanding/caring and/or that I don't trust her. Its sort of useful from that point of view. It does seem to be getting better though, I'm increasingly finding myself in situations that would have previously had me in bits but I've been fine
20 February 2003, 09:24 AM
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in fact I think its probably responsible for his problems,
I would doubt that it would solely be responsible for his panic attacks but it would sure help him if he didn't smoke it anymore
I've looked into this in depth and spoke to loads of pscychiatrists / pscychologists and they all feel that weed is a magnifier of an existing underlying problem.
However, if we take acid as a 'slightly' more extreme example:
ie. If you have a bad trip the acid effectively opens up a door to a 'tunnel' (for want of a better word) in your brain which was previously firmly locked.
Then now that your brain nows it's way down the tunnel to 'bad trip city' (or panic), then the path is quite well worn and it's much easier for the brain to dive down that route in times of stress etc ....
Tell your cousin to bin the weed and he'll start to notice a slow but steady improvement, however I would hazard a guess that there is an underlying problem there
There is proof the prolonged heavy use can lead to varying levels of pschycosis. Also, if ever you mention panic attacks to a psychologist the first question they tend to ask is ... "Have you taken ecstacy?"
PS This is obviously IMHO only, as my old GP actually suggested that I smoke weed to help ease panic attacks
..... he's now retired though
20 February 2003, 09:29 AM
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I'd been smoking weed on and off for about 15 years too. Read a few reports recently about it being a problem with people who are prone to these kind of problems so I'm glad I've knocked it on the head. Of course I'm not saying it's the reason for my problems but it can't have helped.
Saxoboy, that sounds real bad, be strong mate. Sounds to me like you just get extremely nervous but I'm probably over-simplifying things. Worth speaking to a counscellor about it though.
Saxoboy, that sounds real bad, be strong mate. Sounds to me like you just get extremely nervous but I'm probably over-simplifying things. Worth speaking to a counscellor about it though.
20 February 2003, 12:20 PM
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Look into and read about believing in God. I am serious.
Cheers mate. I know this has helped alot of people out of similar situations but it ain't for me. Not a believer.
I'm 100% fixed anyway thanks due in no small part to this guy www.exclusivehypnotherapy.co.uk
Good advice anyway and hopefully it can help others
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20 February 2003, 12:38 PM
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Look into and read about believing in God. I am serious
If god exists and I, sipie or anyone else is meant to believe and follow that faith then they will get there in the end without anyone having to impress upon them. My mum accepts this and isn't pushy with her beliefs anymore. BTW, I'm not suggesting you were being like that flat 4x4 just making a point.
20 February 2003, 01:03 PM
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I think the god thing is a dangerous one too, I used to work with a guy, born again christian used to talk on the phone to his mates and say things like Satan was after him
His reasoning was that if things were going badly it was Satan attacking his weakpoints so that he needed to pray to god etc to become stronger and stop this happening .. he was of course majorly screwed up, seriously wacko, had himself baptised in a swimming pool etc ... my wife knows a few other BAC's too and they also seem to be quite pushy in the 'you must get to know god thing' which IMO is a bad thing.
Everybody has their own beliefs, leave it at that. As Saxo said they'll get there in their own time to what they believe in.
My mum died of cancer about 7 years ago Very hard to take, I did't feel the need to go to church/visit crematorium to cope/grieve. My mum is in me, in my head/thoughts
She gave me money to help me buy my first car which I've always traded in therefore has helped my buy all my cars to date which to me is a nice thought
I used to be a bit like you Saxo, I was terribly shy at school, had braw lassies ask me out and always said no as I couldn't cope with the situation. When having 'relations' I used to shiver - mega nervous. One nights were fine .. anything more used to terrify me
Now I'm a bit older, married with a cute 1 yr old daughter. I think the old adage always applies, you are yourself, if people don't like you, they are not the type of people you want to know. Your true friends/nice people will suss you out quickly and give you the support/understanding you need. My wife did. Turns out she needed more support than me underneath it all.
I don't think you can change your character, if that's the way you are you get better at dealing with it. The right person for you will get you in the end.
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His reasoning was that if things were going badly it was Satan attacking his weakpoints so that he needed to pray to god etc to become stronger and stop this happening .. he was of course majorly screwed up, seriously wacko, had himself baptised in a swimming pool etc ... my wife knows a few other BAC's too and they also seem to be quite pushy in the 'you must get to know god thing' which IMO is a bad thing.
Everybody has their own beliefs, leave it at that. As Saxo said they'll get there in their own time to what they believe in.
My mum died of cancer about 7 years ago
Very hard to take, I did't feel the need to go to church/visit crematorium to cope/grieve. My mum is in me, in my head/thoughts She gave me money to help me buy my first car which I've always traded in therefore has helped my buy all my cars to date which to me is a nice thought
I used to be a bit like you Saxo, I was terribly shy at school, had braw lassies ask me out and always said no as I couldn't cope with the situation. When having 'relations'
I used to shiver - mega nervous. One nights were fine .. anything more used to terrify me Now I'm a bit older, married with a cute 1 yr old daughter. I think the old adage always applies, you are yourself, if people don't like you, they are not the type of people you want to know. Your true friends/nice people will suss you out quickly and give you the support/understanding you need. My wife did. Turns out she needed more support than me underneath it all.
I don't think you can change your character, if that's the way you are you get better at dealing with it. The right person for you will get you in the end.
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20 February 2003, 01:16 PM
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One nights were fine .. anything more used to terrify me
I'm the exact opposite of that Ok with the relationship/committement thing but chuck in a random encounter and I go to bits
20 February 2003, 01:36 PM
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Booze makes me worse as I then can't control what my concious mind thinks so I don't have a hope of sorting out what I'm sub-conciously worrying about !!
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Funnily enough booze never made me 'not know' what I was doing ..
.. well once or twice actually .. finding myself halfway along Slateford road with a bush in my back pocket pretending I was morrissey after passing my 3rd year exams at Uni was an experience but that's another story
.. it just suppressed the worry about what people thought of me aspect so I could say hello to lassies, still come over quite shy but at least the first step was over. Still never made me confident enough just to approach somebody, introducing through a friend was always the best approach .. it's amazing how some girls react to the shy/depressed/insecure types .. quite well sometimes
Strangely enough my shyness never affected my hairstyle/dress sense .. and that was/is weird enough, go figure .. strange folk aren't we all
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.. well once or twice actually .. finding myself halfway along Slateford road with a bush in my back pocket pretending I was morrissey after passing my 3rd year exams at Uni was an experience but that's another story
.. it just suppressed the worry about what people thought of me aspect so I could say hello to lassies, still come over quite shy but at least the first step was over. Still never made me confident enough just to approach somebody, introducing through a friend was always the best approach
.. it's amazing how some girls react to the shy/depressed/insecure types .. quite well sometimes Strangely enough my shyness never affected my hairstyle/dress sense .. and that was/is weird enough, go figure .. strange folk aren't we all
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Still, I'd rather that than be smacked out my head on Ecto's like them west-coasters or dying from TB like the Dundonians, which, is in essence its own little country within the east coast
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Hehehe, I'm originally from Arbroath ... Dundee is indeed a small particularly horrible country within Scotland ... still doing the Barry McGuigan tache and shell suit fashion ... a horrible place IMO.
I would agree that Edinburgh is much more drink orientated than Glasgow. Not so bad for all that though
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... a horrible place IMO.I would agree that Edinburgh is much more drink orientated than Glasgow. Not so bad for all that though
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