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12 March 2001, 06:30 PM
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Just heard that there have been 2 more cases in Kent, one in Horsmonden and one in Lamberhurst.
Have a guess where our office is? yup, you guessed, bang in the middle between lamberhurst and horsmonden
worried? that's an understatement as the office is actually based on a farm Poor old farmer is doing his nut, he has other businesses on the farm which are not farm related and he cannot move them.
I'm rushing round backing up machines and getting kit ready to be moved out at the drop of a hat.
We're told that if restrictions come in force we'll be in the restricted area, so what does that mean? well, no-one seems to know, MAFF were rather hazy when asked. Basically we've been told we'd be able to make one movement, which we guess would be 'let's get the hell out of here!' and grab all the servers and other bits we can and go to backup offices elsewhere.
As to when we'd be allowed back, well, some have said <B>weeks!</B> Which has shaken us up somewhat.
My biggest worry is that we'll go home tonight and then get a phone call saying that we can't get back into the office, and thus all the kit will be in the office, which means, well, let's just say that it's not going to be fun.
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Have a guess where our office is? yup, you guessed, bang in the middle between lamberhurst and horsmonden
worried? that's an understatement as the office is actually based on a farm
Poor old farmer is doing his nut, he has other businesses on the farm which are not farm related and he cannot move them.I'm rushing round backing up machines and getting kit ready to be moved out at the drop of a hat.
We're told that if restrictions come in force we'll be in the restricted area, so what does that mean? well, no-one seems to know, MAFF were rather hazy when asked. Basically we've been told we'd be able to make one movement, which we guess would be 'let's get the hell out of here!' and grab all the servers and other bits we can and go to backup offices elsewhere.
As to when we'd be allowed back, well, some have said <B>weeks!</B> Which has shaken us up somewhat.
My biggest worry is that we'll go home tonight and then get a phone call saying that we can't get back into the office, and thus all the kit will be in the office, which means, well, let's just say that it's not going to be fun.
distressed of tunbridge wells!
12 March 2001, 06:48 PM
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Nick Browne and the rest of the governement are speaking out of their *****, how on earth can it be under control when new cases are popping up.
God it's like 1967 all over again, you would have thought we'd have learnt something over 30 years, obviously not!
Think that allowing racing, football matches, other sporting events to take place over past week has aided the spead of the virus.
Think we're really in the brown stuff now.
If it's just got to kent, then it'll be getting to all the other places where's not been/
Worst think about south kent is it's near the main ports, thus it's gotta be/will have been/<B>is</B> in europe!
God it's like 1967 all over again, you would have thought we'd have learnt something over 30 years, obviously not!
Think that allowing racing, football matches, other sporting events to take place over past week has aided the spead of the virus.
Think we're really in the brown stuff now.
If it's just got to kent, then it'll be getting to all the other places where's not been/
Worst think about south kent is it's near the main ports, thus it's gotta be/will have been/<B>is</B> in europe!
12 March 2001, 11:13 PM
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I think we're right in the sh*t with this one, I'd compare it '67 but that was ten years before I was born! It doesn't seem to me that the government are that bothered, all you hear is " it will peak later this week" I don't think so, the reported cases are getting more and more each day, 25 today I believe! I can't see peaking untill there are no animals left for it to infect.
The other thing that bugs me is the film crews going from farm to farm, how can this be good? They might well wash their boots but we are lead to beleive this bug is airborn, well surely it can be transported on us aswel then? Do we really need to see animals being burnt, I hope not!
Rant over, Bob
The other thing that bugs me is the film crews going from farm to farm, how can this be good? They might well wash their boots but we are lead to beleive this bug is airborn, well surely it can be transported on us aswel then? Do we really need to see animals being burnt, I hope not!
Rant over, Bob
13 March 2001, 12:49 AM
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Markus did you read my last post? I live and work on a farm, dealing with F&M restrictions is an everyday reality for me.
Swill is not rendered animals as such but it is waste food from restaurants and other cattering places which the farmer collects and then has to cook at over 100C for a certain period before feeding. Only 1.9% of the UK pig industry is licenced to feed swill, and the ones that are have to have regular inspections.
In farming as in other industries there are always people who like to bend/break the rules and that MAY be what happened in this case. People scaremongering about the possible cause of this outbreak will not help anybody.IMHO swill feeding will probably be banned as a result of the current outbreak.
Swill is not rendered animals as such but it is waste food from restaurants and other cattering places which the farmer collects and then has to cook at over 100C for a certain period before feeding. Only 1.9% of the UK pig industry is licenced to feed swill, and the ones that are have to have regular inspections.
In farming as in other industries there are always people who like to bend/break the rules and that MAY be what happened in this case. People scaremongering about the possible cause of this outbreak will not help anybody.IMHO swill feeding will probably be banned as a result of the current outbreak.
13 March 2001, 09:37 AM
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As the last outbreak was 30 years ago, it was no longer in the country, therefore the current outbreak has been imported.
Are there any import restrictions in place? Are there bollocks.
Other countries seal their borders up the moment there is a risk to their population, we just carry on like nothing is wrong.
While you're worrying about foot & mouth disease, I'd keep an eye open for the next Tuberculosis epidemic, cases are rising all the time...
Are there any import restrictions in place? Are there bollocks.
Other countries seal their borders up the moment there is a risk to their population, we just carry on like nothing is wrong.
While you're worrying about foot & mouth disease, I'd keep an eye open for the next Tuberculosis epidemic, cases are rising all the time...
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13 March 2001, 09:59 AM
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Totally appalled by last nights 'BBC South East News' at 10 something pm.
NO mention AT ALL of foot an mouth, WHAT!!! it's in bloody kent for christs sake, plus, meridian news has been mentioning all day long about the suspected case in horsmonden, grrrrrrr, not happy.
anyway, i'm back in the office, and we've not had any news about the suspected case being confirmed, guess we'll here later toady, if it's confirmed then the brown matter will really hit the fan.
What I would like to know is, if the office is in a restricted area, we lose business, are we, as a non-aggricutlural related business going to be compensated for loss of earnings by the government. Not 'french connection uk'ing likely. Think there are quite a few people in out posistion, as due to the decline in farming the farmers are converting barns etc.. into offices, our office used to be a stable block, to earn some money somewhere.
So good ol' Tony has just realised that the UK is now deep in the brown stuff, and is trying to save his nice cosy job. Well mate, it's safe, don't you worry, because of your **** up no sod that lives anywhere near a farm is going to be able to vote anyway, we're all in restricted areas.
Also, just read that there is now one confirmed case of F&M in france, oh boy, this is only the beggining, if europe did not hate us already, they do now!
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I'm off to try and get some work done before MAFF appears and shuts us down, though fingers crossed they won't
NO mention AT ALL of foot an mouth, WHAT!!! it's in bloody kent for christs sake, plus, meridian news has been mentioning all day long about the suspected case in horsmonden, grrrrrrr, not happy.
anyway, i'm back in the office, and we've not had any news about the suspected case being confirmed, guess we'll here later toady, if it's confirmed then the brown matter will really hit the fan.
What I would like to know is, if the office is in a restricted area, we lose business, are we, as a non-aggricutlural related business going to be compensated for loss of earnings by the government. Not 'french connection uk'ing likely. Think there are quite a few people in out posistion, as due to the decline in farming the farmers are converting barns etc.. into offices, our office used to be a stable block, to earn some money somewhere.
So good ol' Tony has just realised that the UK is now deep in the brown stuff, and is trying to save his nice cosy job. Well mate, it's safe, don't you worry, because of your **** up no sod that lives anywhere near a farm is going to be able to vote anyway, we're all in restricted areas.
Also, just read that there is now one confirmed case of F&M in france, oh boy, this is only the beggining, if europe did not hate us already, they do now!
rant mode off
I'm off to try and get some work done before MAFF appears and shuts us down, though fingers crossed they won't
13 March 2001, 10:27 AM
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If F&M is found near you it is unlikely that this will affect your business unless it is actually on the farm where you are based, we are less than 1 mile from one of the first outbreaks and have had only very minor restrictions placed on us (wheel disinfecting etc). In our area only the actual farm where the outbreak occured is under any form of movement restriction (except livestock).
You are right about the lack of compensation, it is unlikely that even related industries will get much so un-related ones have not got a chance
You are right about the lack of compensation, it is unlikely that even related industries will get much so un-related ones have not got a chance
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Oh, one other thing.
As for it getting into the UK, the story I have heard is that it was down to pig swill being contaminated, apparenlty we're the only european (worldwide? doubt it) country to still feed our pigs swill. I'm guessing that swill is rendered animals, which would explain things. Though that with BSE you could not do this anymore, or is that only to cattle.
Hate to say it, but our green and pleasant land is gone forever.
People have been saying, we're get back on our feet, just like we did after 1967. hmm, well I totatlly disagree, we did not have a BSE crisis before F&M in 1967 did we!
The poor farmers have just been totally fcuked by BSE and now they're being hit by F&M, they're stuffed, people have lost 15 - 30 years worth of work in a few days, it's totally soul destroying.
As for it getting into the UK, the story I have heard is that it was down to pig swill being contaminated, apparenlty we're the only european (worldwide? doubt it) country to still feed our pigs swill. I'm guessing that swill is rendered animals, which would explain things. Though that with BSE you could not do this anymore, or is that only to cattle.
Hate to say it, but our green and pleasant land is gone forever.
People have been saying, we're get back on our feet, just like we did after 1967. hmm, well I totatlly disagree, we did not have a BSE crisis before F&M in 1967 did we!
The poor farmers have just been totally fcuked by BSE and now they're being hit by F&M, they're stuffed, people have lost 15 - 30 years worth of work in a few days, it's totally soul destroying.
13 March 2001, 10:56 AM
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dunno, will speak to directors and see what they say (not my company you see)
We are lucky in that I think we can move the office to another location for a short while, which is handy, but the servers would still be in the 'old' office, and thus if our web or mail server goes down (which we maintain in-house) then things could get 'interesting' guess we could always teach our farmer landlord how to restart our webserver!
dunno, will speak to directors and see what they say (not my company you see)
We are lucky in that I think we can move the office to another location for a short while, which is handy, but the servers would still be in the 'old' office, and thus if our web or mail server goes down (which we maintain in-house) then things could get 'interesting' guess we could always teach our farmer landlord how to restart our webserver!
13 March 2001, 11:46 AM
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Markus,
The sort of situation you find yourself in is not uncommon. I don't mean that F+M will disrupt non agricultural business particularly but businesses in general being caught out by events beyond their control. I am a disaster recovery and business continuity planning professional and I see reports of this sort of thing all the time.
To try and help you out....there is a specialist business continuity service provider called COMDISCO, they have a recovery centre in Crawley which I guess is not too far away from you round the M25. At this site they have stand-by servers, office space, PC's, telephone systems , etc. You are not in an invocation situation yet so it might be worth giving tham a call and getting some pricing on a contract, as you cannot just pay as you use. They have a web site
The sort of situation you find yourself in is not uncommon. I don't mean that F+M will disrupt non agricultural business particularly but businesses in general being caught out by events beyond their control. I am a disaster recovery and business continuity planning professional and I see reports of this sort of thing all the time.
To try and help you out....there is a specialist business continuity service provider called COMDISCO, they have a recovery centre in Crawley which I guess is not too far away from you round the M25. At this site they have stand-by servers, office space, PC's, telephone systems , etc. You are not in an invocation situation yet so it might be worth giving tham a call and getting some pricing on a contract, as you cannot just pay as you use. They have a web site
13 March 2001, 01:36 PM
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Can't say I know much about F+M, but I go along with the comments made about journalists wandering around farms - doesn't seem to make sense to me...
The other thing that occurred to me driving along the M40 from Birmingham the other day was the number of sheep and cows wandering around in fields right next to the road. Don't know how viralent F+M is, but you would have thought the farmers would have at least kept the animals a field or 2's distance from the road.
As for the muppets in the government saying the outbreak was under control - these people really ought to get out more and look what happens in the real world.
The other thing that occurred to me driving along the M40 from Birmingham the other day was the number of sheep and cows wandering around in fields right next to the road. Don't know how viralent F+M is, but you would have thought the farmers would have at least kept the animals a field or 2's distance from the road.
As for the muppets in the government saying the outbreak was under control - these people really ought to get out more and look what happens in the real world.
13 March 2001, 02:19 PM
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I drive over moorland every day and there are sheep pottering about (and crapping etc.) all over the magasin as per normal, actually ON the roads not just gazing wistfully nearby.
So am I/my car just as likely to transport this virus as a horsebox with a racehorse in it or an Irish rugby player? What are we supposed to do, stop all movement of everybody? What has stopping sporting events got to do with it?
MAFF and veterinary opinion I have heard are of a like mind, this virus is the same as any other (inc. flu)in how it gets transmitted and nonsensical draconian general movement restrictions will make little if any difference now.
As this is an island, is it not likely that these diseases may be coming in on aircraft as well as animals/people/vehicles? Consider the unsanitary conditions that many "asylum seekers" aka "immigrants" are having to travel/live in because nobody is prepared to take the job in hand. Have any precautions been put in place in these areas?
Increased TB cases, leprosy, bubonic plague, you name it, they're presumably not home grown or magical, so where are they coming from? Evil govt. experiments?
I don't know what the answer is, but I would like to see Dome like expenditure thrown at this to sort it out.
So am I/my car just as likely to transport this virus as a horsebox with a racehorse in it or an Irish rugby player? What are we supposed to do, stop all movement of everybody? What has stopping sporting events got to do with it?
MAFF and veterinary opinion I have heard are of a like mind, this virus is the same as any other (inc. flu)in how it gets transmitted and nonsensical draconian general movement restrictions will make little if any difference now.
As this is an island, is it not likely that these diseases may be coming in on aircraft as well as animals/people/vehicles? Consider the unsanitary conditions that many "asylum seekers" aka "immigrants" are having to travel/live in because nobody is prepared to take the job in hand. Have any precautions been put in place in these areas?
Increased TB cases, leprosy, bubonic plague, you name it, they're presumably not home grown or magical, so where are they coming from? Evil govt. experiments?
I don't know what the answer is, but I would like to see Dome like expenditure thrown at this to sort it out.
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OK gotta add my tuppence!!! on my way home from work today...a livery yard surrounded by farmland,sheep oh and not forgetting the wild deer i found one vet and two farmers trying to coax a ewe back to her field with her new born lamb! they had to get a license just to let them cross the road!(a narrow one lane road)_ this farmer then had to spray the whole road where the poor little sheep had wandered onto!!!
I must also add to get to work i have to go over three dissinfected ramps and a foot bath...more people should've taken precautions i think!and I'm with Markus on the fact that perhaps horse racing football matches and the like should've been stoppped! ok thats all i'd like to say for now!..Quick stop me ranting on like a mad woman!i think maybe i'm high from dissinfectant fumes!..are they harmful?!
I must also add to get to work i have to go over three dissinfected ramps and a foot bath...more people should've taken precautions i think!and I'm with Markus on the fact that perhaps horse racing football matches and the like should've been stoppped! ok thats all i'd like to say for now!..Quick stop me ranting on like a mad woman!i think maybe i'm high from dissinfectant fumes!..are they harmful?!
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I'm with SuzyQ on this one I'm afraid ...
I think all sport should of been stopped the 1st week to stop the accidental spread of F&M around the UK ... yes and that means footie and F1, anything that means large amounts of vehicles/people from different parts of the UK travelling for what at the end of the day is just for pleasure ...
Whilst I'm on a roll ... I think Tony's mob should be running "awareness campaigns" on prime time TV to stop the stupid idiots tearing down signs on footpaths etc telling the UK population just how infectious/damaging the virus can actually be, images of burning cattle on TV is disturbing but it ain't working to stop people walking dogs in fields etc ... c'mon Tony and your mob sort it out big time else Summer will be cancelled !!!
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But Kev, why sport?
Large amounts of people/vehicles travel around from different parts of the UK and the continent all the time, with nothing whatsoever to do with sport.
Anyone know why I/my car am less likely to carry the virus than a sheep or horsebox? Are you seriously suggesting disinfectant mats strategically placed on the M62 and all surrounding trans pennine roads?
If that's going to help (or anything else) then let's do it, but this selective medieval "witchcraft" panic over certain activities perceived as "outdoor pursuits" doesn't make any sense.
Surely ALL movement needs to be stopped through anywhere that farm animals live, not just on a Saturday?
Large amounts of people/vehicles travel around from different parts of the UK and the continent all the time, with nothing whatsoever to do with sport.
Anyone know why I/my car am less likely to carry the virus than a sheep or horsebox? Are you seriously suggesting disinfectant mats strategically placed on the M62 and all surrounding trans pennine roads?
If that's going to help (or anything else) then let's do it, but this selective medieval "witchcraft" panic over certain activities perceived as "outdoor pursuits" doesn't make any sense.
Surely ALL movement needs to be stopped through anywhere that farm animals live, not just on a Saturday?
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