Tommy Robinson -Oxford Union Address
16 July 2019, 09:55 AM
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Tommy Robinson -Oxford Union Address
The British establishment have imprisoned this man.
The Attorney General directed the presiding judge to incarcerate Robinson.
If it can happen to TR it can happen to anybody.
The Attorney General directed the presiding judge to incarcerate Robinson.
If it can happen to TR it can happen to anybody.
16 July 2019, 10:49 AM
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16 July 2019, 12:47 PM
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He's been imprisoned for breaking the law. Simple as. Just becuase you dont agree with it doesnt mean you can just ignore it
If he wants to change the law then he can stand and an MP and try to get it changed. Although he tried and failed at that
If he wants to change the law then he can stand and an MP and try to get it changed. Although he tried and failed at that
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18 July 2019, 08:07 AM
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no he was jailed specifically for breaking reporting restrictions imposed to try and ensure a 'fair' trial whereby the accused and the case are not allowed to be Identified....................he live streamed defendants arriving at court, etc.
bit like picking a bag of sweets up and walking out of the shop and then crying that your not a 'shoplifter'
bit like picking a bag of sweets up and walking out of the shop and then crying that your not a 'shoplifter'
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18 July 2019, 08:38 AM
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Tommy Robinson broke such a reporting restriction at a trial in Cambridge and was found guilty of contempt of court for which he received a suspended sentence, so wasn't sent to prison in that case! Then he repeated his actions at a similar trial in Leeds and his suspended sentence was activated.
His actions were completely irresponsible. By reporting (live streaming on facebook) on the trial, this could have lead to a mistrial and the defendants walking free.
The sad point is, some of his arguments are actually valid, but because he behaves like a d1ck, he is only ever considered as a right wing loony and is arguments are then irrelevant.
18 July 2019, 08:55 AM
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In cases where there are a large number of defendants, they can't all be tried at the same time, so they try them in smaller groups at separate trials with different juries. To ensure the juries are not influenced, they impose reporting restrictions that prevent the reporting of any of the trials until all trials have been completed, at which point the restrictions are lifted and the media can report the result of all the trials together.
Tommy Robinson broke such a reporting restriction at a trial in Cambridge and was found guilty of contempt of court for which he received a suspended sentence, so wasn't sent to prison in that case! Then he repeated his actions at a similar trial in Leeds and his suspended sentence was activated.
His actions were completely irresponsible. By reporting (live streaming on facebook) on the trial, this could have lead to a mistrial and the defendants walking free.
The sad point is, some of his arguments are actually valid, but because he behaves like a d1ck, he is only ever considered as a right wing loony and is arguments are then irrelevant.
Tommy Robinson broke such a reporting restriction at a trial in Cambridge and was found guilty of contempt of court for which he received a suspended sentence, so wasn't sent to prison in that case! Then he repeated his actions at a similar trial in Leeds and his suspended sentence was activated.
His actions were completely irresponsible. By reporting (live streaming on facebook) on the trial, this could have lead to a mistrial and the defendants walking free.
The sad point is, some of his arguments are actually valid, but because he behaves like a d1ck, he is only ever considered as a right wing loony and is arguments are then irrelevant.
Ah ok thank you, that makes perfect sense now.
18 July 2019, 12:40 PM
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In cases where there are a large number of defendants, they can't all be tried at the same time, so they try them in smaller groups at separate trials with different juries. To ensure the juries are not influenced, they impose reporting restrictions that prevent the reporting of any of the trials until all trials have been completed, at which point the restrictions are lifted and the media can report the result of all the trials together.
Tommy Robinson broke such a reporting restriction at a trial in Cambridge and was found guilty of contempt of court for which he received a suspended sentence, so wasn't sent to prison in that case! Then he repeated his actions at a similar trial in Leeds and his suspended sentence was activated.
His actions were completely irresponsible. By reporting (live streaming on facebook) on the trial, this could have lead to a mistrial and the defendants walking free.
The sad point is, some of his arguments are actually valid, but because he behaves like a d1ck, he is only ever considered as a right wing loony and is arguments are then irrelevant.
Tommy Robinson broke such a reporting restriction at a trial in Cambridge and was found guilty of contempt of court for which he received a suspended sentence, so wasn't sent to prison in that case! Then he repeated his actions at a similar trial in Leeds and his suspended sentence was activated.
His actions were completely irresponsible. By reporting (live streaming on facebook) on the trial, this could have lead to a mistrial and the defendants walking free.
The sad point is, some of his arguments are actually valid, but because he behaves like a d1ck, he is only ever considered as a right wing loony and is arguments are then irrelevant.
That isn't the reason given in this case was it? not that I'm defending his actions i should add.
for those that really want to understand more about it reporting restrictions,
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...may-2016-2.pdf
18 July 2019, 01:14 PM
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18 July 2019, 01:24 PM
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When he actually thinks before he speaks and doesn't behave like a muppet to play for the crowd, such as the video above, he actually comes across with valid and reasonable points.
18 July 2019, 01:57 PM
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In the Cambridge case, he was actually filming inside a live courtroom, found guilty of contempt for breaking reporting restrictions and filming in a courtroom and received a suspended sentence.
In the Leeds case, he was live streaming to facebook filming and naming the defendants, so he was arrested and the judge activated his suspended sentence.
He then successfully argued there was a procedural error in the activation of his suspended sentence and was released pending a new hearing.
That hearing was in the high court last week where he was found guilty of contempt and sent back to prison with his previous jail time being taken into account, so he'll be out on license in around 6 weeks!
He could of reported it all after the trials were finished, but that wouldn't get him the media coverage he wanted, so he acted like a dick to make himself the headline getting locked up for "telling the truth" and pretending that the establishment were trying to cover up the truth about the pedo rings - In both cases, once all the trials were concluded and the reporting restrictions lifted, the stories were fully covered in the national media, there was no hiding of the truth, only self promotion of brand "Tommy"! <= DICK!
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18 July 2019, 03:17 PM
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It's exactly the reason why he's now been locked up, although obviously he's trying to twist the truth and spin it all to make it look like the establishment are against him. Its pretty simple, he broke the law twice and now he's locked up for it.
In the Cambridge case, he was actually filming inside a live courtroom, found guilty of contempt for breaking reporting restrictions and filming in a courtroom and received a suspended sentence.
In the Leeds case, he was live streaming to facebook filming and naming the defendants, so he was arrested and the judge activated his suspended sentence.
He then successfully argued there was a procedural error in the activation of his suspended sentence and was released pending a new hearing.
That hearing was in the high court last week where he was found guilty of contempt and sent back to prison with his previous jail time being taken into account, so he'll be out on license in around 6 weeks!
He's a dick because his actions risked causing a mis-trial which could have seen dangerous pedophiles walk free!
He could of reported it all after the trials were finished, but that wouldn't get him the media coverage he wanted, so he acted like a dick to make himself the headline getting locked up for "telling the truth" and pretending that the establishment were trying to cover up the truth about the pedo rings - In both cases, once all the trials were concluded and the reporting restrictions lifted, the stories were fully covered in the national media, there was no hiding of the truth, only self promotion of brand "Tommy"! <= DICK!
In the Cambridge case, he was actually filming inside a live courtroom, found guilty of contempt for breaking reporting restrictions and filming in a courtroom and received a suspended sentence.
In the Leeds case, he was live streaming to facebook filming and naming the defendants, so he was arrested and the judge activated his suspended sentence.
He then successfully argued there was a procedural error in the activation of his suspended sentence and was released pending a new hearing.
That hearing was in the high court last week where he was found guilty of contempt and sent back to prison with his previous jail time being taken into account, so he'll be out on license in around 6 weeks!
He's a dick because his actions risked causing a mis-trial which could have seen dangerous pedophiles walk free!
He could of reported it all after the trials were finished, but that wouldn't get him the media coverage he wanted, so he acted like a dick to make himself the headline getting locked up for "telling the truth" and pretending that the establishment were trying to cover up the truth about the pedo rings - In both cases, once all the trials were concluded and the reporting restrictions lifted, the stories were fully covered in the national media, there was no hiding of the truth, only self promotion of brand "Tommy"! <= DICK!
18 July 2019, 03:38 PM
#16
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Sorry, you are correct, I misread the quote!
...although the OP is trying to make a point that poor old Tommy is a victim of an establishment set up rather than having to pay for his crimes because he's not above the law, so, you know...
...although the OP is trying to make a point that poor old Tommy is a victim of an establishment set up rather than having to pay for his crimes because he's not above the law, so, you know...
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19 July 2019, 01:43 PM
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19 July 2019, 11:25 PM
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I think your comment suggests you are extremely single minded, much like a racist ironically. You have decided that regardless of the topic, if you agree with him, you're a dick. That just makes you sound like a simpleton. In fact it makes you sound like one of his supporters, you are blinded by the character and ignorant to the topic.
I'm not a support of him, or anyone else, but I like to review everything subjectively. I'd ask in your reply, if you manage to look past what you perceive to be insults and tell me what makes him racist? what specifically has he done, or said that is against any race? AGAIN .. I'm not defending him, but if you have such a strong opinion you must have evidence to back it up?
20 July 2019, 06:34 AM
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The only difference are what he clamming and what the entire media is reporting. From the sun and daily mail to the guardian and bbc, the story is pretty consistent. The only one creating any smoke is him! There is nothing unusual about a high profile appeals case being held in the high court, wouldn't surprise me if it was at his own request! He's not above the law and claiming conspiracy is just a typical right wing tactic to distract his supporters from the basic fact that what he did was against the law!
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20 July 2019, 07:54 AM
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Why is it that all the usual news media outlets feel the need to constantly remind us of his real name, usually second paragraph in they’ll write “Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon”.
FFS we get it, he changed his name, meanwhile they call “Henry Charles Albert David” Harry. Never say Meghan Markel’s first name is Rachel, Liam Gallagher is actually William, Gideon Osborne- our former chancellor and let’s not forget Sir Reginald Dwight and our potential next prime minister: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel!
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20 July 2019, 08:33 AM
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The only difference are what he clamming and what the entire media is reporting. From the sun and daily mail to the guardian and bbc, the story is pretty consistent. The only one creating any smoke is him! There is nothing unusual about a high profile appeals case being held in the high court, wouldn't surprise me if it was at his own request! He's not above the law and claiming conspiracy is just a typical right wing tactic to distract his supporters from the basic fact that what he did was against the law!
20 July 2019, 10:33 PM
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Why is it that all the usual news media outlets feel the need to constantly remind us of his real name, usually second paragraph in they’ll write “Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon”.
FFS we get it, he changed his name, meanwhile they call “Henry Charles Albert David” Harry. Never say Meghan Markel’s first name is Rachel, Liam Gallagher is actually William, Gideon Osborne- our former chancellor and let’s not forget Sir Reginald Dwight and our potential next prime minister: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel!
FFS we get it, he changed his name, meanwhile they call “Henry Charles Albert David” Harry. Never say Meghan Markel’s first name is Rachel, Liam Gallagher is actually William, Gideon Osborne- our former chancellor and let’s not forget Sir Reginald Dwight and our potential next prime minister: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel!
You can also look at it another way, why does he need to use an alias?
21 July 2019, 12:40 AM
#27
Because that's his legal name and they are obliged to use it. Tommy Robinson is only an alias that he chooses to use and has no legal standing. If you want to search to legal documents regarding his court case, then you need to use his real name. Of they don't print his real name, then it may be difficult to find such legal documents.
You can also look at it another way, why does he need to use an alias?
You can also look at it another way, why does he need to use an alias?
It's a stage name, he's created a character
21 July 2019, 09:06 AM
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Good to hear different view points though, even if they aren't factually correct? although I would be interested in what he was wrong about, I don't understand the legalities of his argument.
Is that aimed at me? TR is a persona, a character in a show, everyone knows who the man is he hasn't changed his name to hide his identify, it's like a singer or actor giving themselves a more publishable name.
Is that aimed at me? TR is a persona, a character in a show, everyone knows who the man is he hasn't changed his name to hide his identify, it's like a singer or actor giving themselves a more publishable name.