OKAY ALL YOU POLICE/SPEEDING APOLOGISTS - DEFEND THIS...
18 May 2016, 05:59 PM
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OKAY ALL YOU POLICE/SPEEDING APOLOGISTS - DEFEND THIS...
"Police have been captured on camera
disguised as learner drivers on the M57 in Merseyside...
Presumably their intention is to encourage Drivers to overtake a slow moving learner driver, only to then speed up and pounce on them.
The man who captured this image, Martin Leigh described the tactic as "another classic case of Merseyside Police entrapment".
We've seen tactics like this from different Police forces time and again over the years.
I remember seeing a breakdown recovery speedtrap with my own eyes, and Members have captured such absurd sights as a mobile speed gun in horse box before!
It just goes to show that there is little the Traffic Police won't stoop to, sometimes seeming to verge on criminal behavior in order to catch Motorists traveling a little over the speed limit -- usually in situations that are in no way dangerous or reckless.
Watch out for this ploy if you're traveling anywhere near Merseyside!"
disguised as learner drivers on the M57 in Merseyside...
Presumably their intention is to encourage Drivers to overtake a slow moving learner driver, only to then speed up and pounce on them.
The man who captured this image, Martin Leigh described the tactic as "another classic case of Merseyside Police entrapment".
We've seen tactics like this from different Police forces time and again over the years.
I remember seeing a breakdown recovery speedtrap with my own eyes, and Members have captured such absurd sights as a mobile speed gun in horse box before!
It just goes to show that there is little the Traffic Police won't stoop to, sometimes seeming to verge on criminal behavior in order to catch Motorists traveling a little over the speed limit -- usually in situations that are in no way dangerous or reckless.
Watch out for this ploy if you're traveling anywhere near Merseyside!"
Last edited by joz8968; 18 May 2016 at 06:06 PM.
18 May 2016, 06:21 PM
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That's a weird tactic, and I think, an unlawful one. To my understanding, they're supposed to be well visible as who they are, not in disguise. I may be wrong, though. They can be above God, if they feel like it.
I'm travelling to and fro Liverpool for the last three days of this coming weekend. I must watch it, although won't they only do you if you break the speed limit while overtaking?
I'm travelling to and fro Liverpool for the last three days of this coming weekend. I must watch it, although won't they only do you if you break the speed limit while overtaking?
18 May 2016, 06:37 PM
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I don't see the problem, would you act differently if it didn't have L plates? Anyhow, for all you know some clown might have put them on at the services.
18 May 2016, 06:44 PM
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Meh, who cares. You wouldent (shouldn't) treat a learner driver any differently to a qualified driver (with the exception of giving more room, being more patient etc), so there's no reason to suddenly start driving like a **** around one. If they are driving slowly, you overtake when it's safe to do so and stay under the speed limit. If you do this, you won't get pulled. Simples. Think it's called the 'law' off the top of my head.
18 May 2016, 06:45 PM
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I'm guessing they go along, say, 5mph under the limit... People overtake... Then they probably get nicked as they carry on a shade over the limit, immediately after the overtake.
It's the cynical tactic that's the thing. After all why would they do it if not to deliberately try to entrap people. I mean, if they want to catch 'proper', dangerous speeders, then why not patrol in a plain clothes car with no L plate i.e. business as usual.
I'm guessing, it is unlawful, too(?).
For all the apathetic motorists re. this kind of thing, be careful what you wish for, is all I'll say.
It's the cynical tactic that's the thing. After all why would they do it if not to deliberately try to entrap people. I mean, if they want to catch 'proper', dangerous speeders, then why not patrol in a plain clothes car with no L plate i.e. business as usual.
I'm guessing, it is unlawful, too(?).
For all the apathetic motorists re. this kind of thing, be careful what you wish for, is all I'll say.
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18 May 2016, 06:52 PM
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+1 for the fact that on any road with dedicated overtaking lanes, whether or not the vehicle you're going past has L-plates shouldn't make a blind bit of difference. They're going slower, you go past, so what if they've got L-plates on, or are driving a disguised hearse, milk-float, or who knows what else? Things might be different on a little B-road, where obviously the person stuck behind the disguised plod-car might try and pull a bad overtake out of frustration (not that that's any excuse, but we all have our bad days), but this was clearly a motorway, so that doesn't apply here.
I'll also add that in any situation where a driver is pulled over by a moving traffic car, I would expect the entire thing to be captured on that car's on-board camera, and the person pulled over to have the right to view the footage (if not by the roadside, then certainly in court). It should be very easy then to prove or disprove plod's claims that they were driving dangerously or to a poor standard.
I'll also add that in any situation where a driver is pulled over by a moving traffic car, I would expect the entire thing to be captured on that car's on-board camera, and the person pulled over to have the right to view the footage (if not by the roadside, then certainly in court). It should be very easy then to prove or disprove plod's claims that they were driving dangerously or to a poor standard.
18 May 2016, 07:07 PM
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I did say I may be wrong but I vaguely remember that from the North Wales Police decision on catching the speeding motorists from sneaky spots that they got told to make their holy self as obvious as poss or else. I think I went a bit too far with mentioning the 'law'. Police can't ever break the law, even if they take it in their hands. We know that, don't we?
To be honest, there shouldn't be any issue unless you take anyone over with speed limit breaking speed. Again, it may not be the way it works. I don't usually take over learner drivers, but sometimes I do. I don't do over 70 in 70 while overtaking, though.
Meh, who cares. You wouldent (shouldn't) treat a learner driver any differently to a qualified driver (with the exception of giving more room, being more patient etc), so there's no reason to suddenly start driving like a **** around one. If they are driving slowly, you overtake when it's safe to do so and stay under the speed limit. If you do this, you won't get pulled. Simples. Think it's called the 'law' off the top of my head.
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18 May 2016, 07:30 PM
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Isn't that the picture that was doing the rounds on Facebook a few weeks ago where some 'funny guy' put an L plate on the back of a Police car as a joke?
Ignore this thread then lol.
I took the story as verbatim (although did have my doubts TBH).
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19 May 2016, 09:54 AM
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I sort of get radar and yeah fixed cameras is simply a database etc
but lasers are just beams of light!!
presumably to detect the laser beam, it has to be aimed at the car surely?
and by that time isn't it too late?
or is it relying on you to have the reactions of a rattlesnake
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I had one fitted to my bug about 2 years ago before it was sold, it was a clever bit of kit and saved me on a few occasions.
4ZERO also incorporates a highly sophisticated radar detector. Many speed traps cameras and handheld radar guns transmit a radar beam which determines how quickly you are travelling. 4ZERO detects radar 'scatter' from these speed traps and guns, providing advance warnings of their position.
Typical detection range or mobile speed traps using radar/laser receiver.
Radar guns - over 1 mile
Laser Guns - up to 1 mile
Radar guns - over 1 mile
Laser Guns - up to 1 mile