Is this really the sort of nation you want the UK to be?
08 December 2014, 10:51 PM
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Is this really the sort of nation you want the UK to be?
While Cameron pats himself on the back for giving lots of foreign aid here we have young people in the UK unable to afford a decent meal due in part to crazy new benefit rules and slow payments 
The young people going hungry in the UK this winter
Sickening quite frankly!
The young people going hungry in the UK this winter
Sickening quite frankly!
08 December 2014, 11:29 PM
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While Cameron pats himself on the back for giving lots of foreign aid here we have young people in the UK unable to afford a decent meal due in part to crazy new benefit rules and slow payments
The young people going hungry in the UK this winter
Sickening quite frankly!
The young people going hungry in the UK this winter
Sickening quite frankly!
09 December 2014, 01:56 AM
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FFS if a country would rather help another country's population while some of its native population goes hungry then I reckon it has its priorities wrong! Of course your pal Cameron wouldn't get to be seen as a hero on the world stage by feeding the native population of the UK though would he now?
09 December 2014, 02:12 AM
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so through the fault of the job centre,the guy lost his college course.
********.
The aspiring electrician's prospects had been looking up. He was on a college course but was instructed by the job centre to take a two-week placement at Boots. By the time the placement was over, he had fallen behind and couldn't meet the college's required 97% attendance rate.
And then he had his jobseeker's allowance stopped
********.
The aspiring electrician's prospects had been looking up. He was on a college course but was instructed by the job centre to take a two-week placement at Boots. By the time the placement was over, he had fallen behind and couldn't meet the college's required 97% attendance rate.
And then he had his jobseeker's allowance stopped
09 December 2014, 02:18 AM
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FFS if a country would rather help another country's population while some of its native population goes hungry then I reckon it has its priorities wrong! Of course your pal Cameron wouldn't get to be seen as a hero on the world stage by feeding the native population of the UK though would he now?
But he wouldn't get the same publicity on the world stage eh.
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09 December 2014, 09:37 AM
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Foreign aid budget amounts to only 0.7% of UK total income. I think this country is still wealthy enough to spare a small amount of its income in helping others in less fortunate countries who are suffering even greater hardships than, while no less worthy granted, the young adults who are going hungery. Of course some of the aid is mispent and some of it doesn't goes to where it is intended, but I like the think that what this country can spare can still make a difference.
Do you really want the UK be an "I'm alright Jack" and sod all the other countries sort of nation. There is a separate UK welfare budget with the aim to help those in the UK. Rather that cutting the aid budget for those less fortunate in other countries, how about looking at the allocation and spending of the UK welfare budget instead of adopting a knee-jerk reaction of sod everyone else and look after our own.
Do you really want the UK be an "I'm alright Jack" and sod all the other countries sort of nation. There is a separate UK welfare budget with the aim to help those in the UK. Rather that cutting the aid budget for those less fortunate in other countries, how about looking at the allocation and spending of the UK welfare budget instead of adopting a knee-jerk reaction of sod everyone else and look after our own.
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09 December 2014, 10:26 AM
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Foreign aid budget amounts to only 0.7% of UK total income. I think this country is still wealthy enough to spare a small amount of its income in helping others in less fortunate countries who are suffering even greater hardships than, while no less worthy granted, the young adults who are going hungery. Of course some of the aid is mispent and some of it doesn't goes to where it is intended, but I like the think that what this country can spare can still make a difference.
When the likes of Cameron and Blair stop wanting to be seen as statesmen of the world rather than PM of the UK then maybe things will improve!
09 December 2014, 11:02 AM
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Ssssh you lot grumbling made em mess up their candy crush tourney !!
Seriously in private sector if someone was caught playing games for 2 1/2 hours they would be the subject of an enquiry as to why they arent concentrating on the meeting in hand as theyre paid to be there as well as no doubt claimed expenses for travel and acc to the max all for the privillige of playing a stupid game - but no pathetic apology and a witchunt for who let the peasents know what we get up to in our meetings
On topic though the point is valid - sanctions are hurting and will kill some vulnerable people this winter and all to manipulate the governments figures so they can say they are doing a good job ,,, crazy to then help other countries but then we do seem to be spiralling evermore into a giant lunatic asylum tbh
Seriously in private sector if someone was caught playing games for 2 1/2 hours they would be the subject of an enquiry as to why they arent concentrating on the meeting in hand as theyre paid to be there as well as no doubt claimed expenses for travel and acc to the max all for the privillige of playing a stupid game - but no pathetic apology and a witchunt for who let the peasents know what we get up to in our meetings
On topic though the point is valid - sanctions are hurting and will kill some vulnerable people this winter and all to manipulate the governments figures so they can say they are doing a good job ,,, crazy to then help other countries but then we do seem to be spiralling evermore into a giant lunatic asylum tbh
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09 December 2014, 11:12 AM
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Yes but the British people do not help themselves do they when they donate x millions to red nose day and x millions to Bob Geldofs record when you all know the proceeds are going out the country. Stop donating the money to these things where you know before you cough up the money is going to Africa in the first place. You can't really complain about it when you know what it is for when you donate.
09 December 2014, 11:15 AM
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Ssssh you lot grumbling made em mess up their candy crush tourney !!
Seriously in private sector if someone was caught playing games for 2 1/2 hours they would be the subject of an enquiry as to why they arent concentrating on the meeting in hand as theyre paid to be there as well as no doubt claimed expenses for travel and acc to the max all for the privillige of playing a stupid game - but no pathetic apology and a witchunt for who let the peasents know what we get up to in our meetings
On topic though the point is valid - sanctions are hurting and will kill some vulnerable people this winter and all to manipulate the governments figures so they can say they are doing a good job ,,, crazy to then help other countries but then we do seem to be spiralling evermore into a giant lunatic asylum tbh
Seriously in private sector if someone was caught playing games for 2 1/2 hours they would be the subject of an enquiry as to why they arent concentrating on the meeting in hand as theyre paid to be there as well as no doubt claimed expenses for travel and acc to the max all for the privillige of playing a stupid game - but no pathetic apology and a witchunt for who let the peasents know what we get up to in our meetings
On topic though the point is valid - sanctions are hurting and will kill some vulnerable people this winter and all to manipulate the governments figures so they can say they are doing a good job ,,, crazy to then help other countries but then we do seem to be spiralling evermore into a giant lunatic asylum tbh
09 December 2014, 12:40 PM
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This morning, on the local news, we were again shown pics of folk flooded out this time last year all along the east Coast and the Humber, who will be out of their homes for another Christmas.
Cost of stopping it happening again was put at £2billion over the next five years.
Government can't/won't fund it
Yet they give TWELVE BILLION a year to mainly corrupt governments and to countries whose economies are better than our own?
Go figure.
Still, it makes posstots like Martin feel good.........bet HE'S never gone hungry, cold, without a roof....
Cost of stopping it happening again was put at £2billion over the next five years.
Government can't/won't fund it
Yet they give TWELVE BILLION a year to mainly corrupt governments and to countries whose economies are better than our own?
Go figure.
Still, it makes posstots like Martin feel good.........bet HE'S never gone hungry, cold, without a roof....
09 December 2014, 12:46 PM
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so through the fault of the job centre,the guy lost his college course.
********.
The aspiring electrician's prospects had been looking up. He was on a college course but was instructed by the job centre to take a two-week placement at Boots. By the time the placement was over, he had fallen behind and couldn't meet the college's required 97% attendance rate.
And then he had his jobseeker's allowance stopped
********.
The aspiring electrician's prospects had been looking up. He was on a college course but was instructed by the job centre to take a two-week placement at Boots. By the time the placement was over, he had fallen behind and couldn't meet the college's required 97% attendance rate.
And then he had his jobseeker's allowance stopped
09 December 2014, 01:12 PM
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Ssssh you lot grumbling made em mess up their candy crush tourney !!
Seriously in private sector if someone was caught playing games for 2 1/2 hours they would be the subject of an enquiry as to why they arent concentrating on the meeting in hand as theyre paid to be there as well as no doubt claimed expenses for travel and acc to the max all for the privillige of playing a stupid game - but no pathetic apology and a witchunt for who let the peasents know what we get up to in our meetings
On topic though the point is valid - sanctions are hurting and will kill some vulnerable people this winter and all to manipulate the governments figures so they can say they are doing a good job ,,, crazy to then help other countries but then we do seem to be spiralling evermore into a giant lunatic asylum tbh
Seriously in private sector if someone was caught playing games for 2 1/2 hours they would be the subject of an enquiry as to why they arent concentrating on the meeting in hand as theyre paid to be there as well as no doubt claimed expenses for travel and acc to the max all for the privillige of playing a stupid game - but no pathetic apology and a witchunt for who let the peasents know what we get up to in our meetings
On topic though the point is valid - sanctions are hurting and will kill some vulnerable people this winter and all to manipulate the governments figures so they can say they are doing a good job ,,, crazy to then help other countries but then we do seem to be spiralling evermore into a giant lunatic asylum tbh
Instead they have decided to track down the person who filmed it. Hahahaha.
09 December 2014, 02:01 PM
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This morning, on the local news, we were again shown pics of folk flooded out this time last year all along the east Coast and the Humber, who will be out of their homes for another Christmas.
Cost of stopping it happening again was put at £2billion over the next five years.
Government can't/won't fund it
Yet they give TWELVE BILLION a year to mainly corrupt governments and to countries whose economies are better than our own?
Go figure.
Still, it makes posstots like Martin feel good.........bet HE'S never gone hungry, cold, without a roof....
Cost of stopping it happening again was put at £2billion over the next five years.
Government can't/won't fund it
Yet they give TWELVE BILLION a year to mainly corrupt governments and to countries whose economies are better than our own?
Go figure.
Still, it makes posstots like Martin feel good.........bet HE'S never gone hungry, cold, without a roof....
09 December 2014, 02:34 PM
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If this was a Labour government doing this your attitude would be completely different of course, but leaving aside the fact you are a party politics man you are missing the point of the fact that the country is not wealthy enough. What is it you people do not get about a £1.5 trillion debt???
At what point would you deem the UK's finance fit to allow foreign aid?No, but surely we need to look after our own first? It is really that simple. Cameron and IDS and their little demonisation of benefit claimants sickens me and that article despite being on a biased BBC is scandalous! Had some closer to home experience of the so called benefit cuts with the son of a mate of mine just recently and the system is completely broken thanks to this and the previous government's meddling!
09 December 2014, 02:59 PM
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Some years ago now, my eldest was doing a four-year course leading to becoming a welder/plater.
Sadly, the firm who employed him, decided to make him and five other trainees redundant, and then took on six "fully trained" Polish welders.**
My lad went on the h8unt for another job, but remember, he wasn't yet trained.
The college? Well they gave him 6 weeks to find work, or he was off the course, no ifs, no buts, six weeks and finito.
I asked on his behalf, what would happen if he went off the course but found work days later, and was told that GOVERNMENT regulations forbade them taking him back as he was...but he could start again.
I thought they meant redo the year....nope, the ENTIRE FOUR YEAR COURSE!!!!!
You couldn't make it up, when we NEED trained workers.
We eventually found him a job by ringing every company in a 30 mile radius and asking them to employ him, and I would pay his wages and on-costs, and explaining why he NEEDED a job, or almost four years' work up the spout.
Hard times....but Government regs. Someone has decided that's how it will be, and that's how it is.
** The "fully trained" Polish welders turned out to have little idea at all, so last laughs to the redundant lads.
Sadly, only two of them were able to finish the course........
09 December 2014, 03:31 PM
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[QUOTE=alcazar;11577961]This morning, on the local news, we were again shown pics of folk flooded out this time last year all along the east Coast and the Humber, who will be out of their homes for another Christmas.
Cost of stopping it happening again was put at £2billion over the next five years.
Government can't/won't fund it
Yet they give TWELVE BILLION a year to mainly corrupt governments and to countries whose economies are better than our own?
Go figure.
Still, it makes posstots like Martin feel good.........bet HE'S never gone hungry, cold, without a roof....[/QUOTE]
The only way you could possibly use that argument against me is if you've lived in the third world on less that $2 a day!
Why are you trying to pretend that the choice here is doing more for the hungry in this country, and helping those in even greater need elsewhere. That is just a completely phony choice. The short answer is we should do BOTH.
And if we are giving billions to corrupt governments and countries richer than us (like to see the fact here btw), then that's just an argument for doing it better, not for stopping foreign aid.
Cost of stopping it happening again was put at £2billion over the next five years.
Government can't/won't fund it
Yet they give TWELVE BILLION a year to mainly corrupt governments and to countries whose economies are better than our own?
Go figure.
Still, it makes posstots like Martin feel good.........bet HE'S never gone hungry, cold, without a roof....[/QUOTE]
The only way you could possibly use that argument against me is if you've lived in the third world on less that $2 a day!
Why are you trying to pretend that the choice here is doing more for the hungry in this country, and helping those in even greater need elsewhere. That is just a completely phony choice. The short answer is we should do BOTH.
And if we are giving billions to corrupt governments and countries richer than us (like to see the fact here btw), then that's just an argument for doing it better, not for stopping foreign aid.
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a) While someone is looking for work they should be entitled to benefits. You'd be the first to complain if you lost your job (which, if it involves any sort of writing you probably should do given your spelling and grammar) and then were refused what you should be entitled to!
b) He has found a job so you can knock the underhand sniping about his persona off.... just like when you tried to obliquely accuse me of being a racist you are way wide of the mark.
09 December 2014, 04:21 PM
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Time to educate you yet again!
a) While someone is looking for work they should be entitled to benefits. You'd be the first to complain if you lost your job (which, if it involves any sort of writing you probably should do given your spelling and grammar) and then were refused what you should be entitled to!
b) He has found a job so you can knock the underhand sniping about his persona off.... just like when you tried to obliquely accuse me of being a racist you are way wide of the mark.
a) While someone is looking for work they should be entitled to benefits. You'd be the first to complain if you lost your job (which, if it involves any sort of writing you probably should do given your spelling and grammar) and then were refused what you should be entitled to!
b) He has found a job so you can knock the underhand sniping about his persona off.... just like when you tried to obliquely accuse me of being a racist you are way wide of the mark.
If you take the fact that I faced racism in Manchester and you live in Manchester to mean calling you racists, then so be it you delusional idiot. Also you can continue with your petty and pathetic little vendetta against me I really don't give a ****, and since you know I'm Chinese and English isn't my first language, feel free to continue with your petty little corrections of my spelling and grammar, I really do enjoy being eduated by you. Back on topic, sure so let's cut foreign aid, you certainly put the "n" in cut!
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I merely stated fact, he was wanted for tax fraud - fact!, he was extradited - fact!, he was arrested - fact! Are you now saying this isn't so? As for sniping, you least of all should complain about it since you are the biggest offender for this!! If you take the fact that I faced racism in Manchester and you live in Manchester to mean calling you racists, then so be it you delusional idiot. Also you can continue with your petty and pathetic little vendetta against me I really don't give a ****, and since you know I'm Chinese and English isn't my first language, feel free to continue with your petty little corrections of my spelling and grammar, I really do enjoy being eduated by you.
If you take the fact that I faced racism in Manchester and you live in Manchester to mean calling you racists, then so be it you delusional idiot. Also you can continue with your petty and pathetic little vendetta against me I really don't give a ****, and since you know I'm Chinese and English isn't my first language, feel free to continue with your petty little corrections of my spelling and grammar, I really do enjoy being eduated by you. You post snide comments on nearly every thread I start and yet I am the one with the vendetta??? Stop posting sh1te and you will not have an issue with me!Oh and I didn't know you were Chinese (not that it makes any difference), as I said I take no notice of people's creed or race .... I only knew you weren't caucasian from the London thread and for all I knew you were British born. Anyway like I said if I think someone is a **** then that's what I think and it has nothing to do with their race/creed or whatever!!
09 December 2014, 06:09 PM
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