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02 October 2016, 08:37 AM
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It ultimately all comes down to what happens in a crash and the assumption that odds are he wants a harness bar to use harnesses with out a full cage. When all is said and done there's a vast number of scenarios where really nasty things can happen that wouldn't have happened without harnesses.
03 October 2016, 12:10 PM
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It is if you have no intention to ever have rear seat passengers again,I think that is why the member said they are dangerous.For just you and a front seat passenger their is not a problem and it's a perfect solution for harnesses.SJ.
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03 October 2016, 11:11 PM
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A harness bar will be strong enough to hold you in place when driving but offers very little protection in the event of a crash. I looked into getting one and decided against it, In a medium to hard front end collision you could easily end up hitting the steering wheel. A seat belt is a much safer option. If its for occasional track day use then you would be better off making something up and mounting the harness to the rear seatbelt mounting points.
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04 October 2016, 06:51 PM
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Anywho. At the end of the day you really need to go the whole hog or not at all. The last thing you want is to be firmly strapped into the drivers seat if the car is going to collapse around you in a crash. Then there's the amount of force you're putting through your neck in a front end impact assuming you're not using a HANS device.
04 October 2016, 06:59 PM
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I'd completely forgotten about this thread
Anywho. At the end of the day you really need to go the whole hog or not at all. The last thing you want is to be firmly strapped into the drivers seat if the car is going to collapse around you in a crash. Then there's the amount of force you're putting through your neck in a front end impact assuming you're not using a HANS device.
Anywho. At the end of the day you really need to go the whole hog or not at all. The last thing you want is to be firmly strapped into the drivers seat if the car is going to collapse around you in a crash. Then there's the amount of force you're putting through your neck in a front end impact assuming you're not using a HANS device.
.SJ.
04 October 2016, 09:08 PM
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Thing is, you can't put a cage in and compete in the road going class in hillclimbing, as far as I am aware. It would have to be Production Modified or something along those lines.
I had no idea people considered a harness bar unsafe though. It's attached to the car in multiple locations so I'd have thought it would hold better than the shoulder strap seatbelt mounting if anything.
I had no idea people considered a harness bar unsafe though. It's attached to the car in multiple locations so I'd have thought it would hold better than the shoulder strap seatbelt mounting if anything.
04 October 2016, 09:22 PM
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Thing is, you can't put a cage in and compete in the road going class in hillclimbing, as far as I am aware. It would have to be Production Modified or something along those lines.
I had no idea people considered a harness bar unsafe though. It's attached to the car in multiple locations so I'd have thought it would hold better than the shoulder strap seatbelt mounting if anything.
I had no idea people considered a harness bar unsafe though. It's attached to the car in multiple locations so I'd have thought it would hold better than the shoulder strap seatbelt mounting if anything.
Sparco bar after a meduim front ender.
05 October 2016, 11:46 AM
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They are dangerous without a rollcage as said above.
Would not ever consider fitting one to my car or using it!
The whole point is if you flip the car the normal seatbelt allows you to slide down as the roof comes in, a harness and harness bar will not allow that.harness' with a cage do not need to let you slide down as the roof shouldnt come in on you.
Much the same as in a front impact the cage transfers energy around you and the impact force on the person is less, where as a harness bar will not do that and likely to fold/impale/cause neck injury, let alone the massive internal damage possible from rapid deceleration. This is why seatbelts stretch etc to slow the deceleration of your internal organs.
Wouldnt catch me in a car in harnesses without a rollcage, or for that fact in a car with a cage and no harness!!!!! Both equally dangerous.
And also i doubt the msa would let you run a harness bar unless approved etc?
Would not ever consider fitting one to my car or using it!
The whole point is if you flip the car the normal seatbelt allows you to slide down as the roof comes in, a harness and harness bar will not allow that.harness' with a cage do not need to let you slide down as the roof shouldnt come in on you.
Much the same as in a front impact the cage transfers energy around you and the impact force on the person is less, where as a harness bar will not do that and likely to fold/impale/cause neck injury, let alone the massive internal damage possible from rapid deceleration. This is why seatbelts stretch etc to slow the deceleration of your internal organs.
Wouldnt catch me in a car in harnesses without a rollcage, or for that fact in a car with a cage and no harness!!!!! Both equally dangerous.
And also i doubt the msa would let you run a harness bar unless approved etc?
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05 October 2016, 12:50 PM
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If a harness bar is the way you are thinking of doing it...Go for it.Their has been alot of scaremongering on this thread
,i have a few mates that have a harness bar fitted to their cars for years now and they do track days on a regular with zero problems,even Frayz had one fitted to his Bomber for years until he decided to go full WRC cage,So my advice is if you want one fitted...as it is part of "your" plans then go for it
i doubt you will be dooming yourself to destruction,i hope not anyway.SJ.
05 October 2016, 03:14 PM
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I wasnt trying to scaremonger, was just making sure the op was aware of the safety aspects of having one fitted. I decided safety outweighed function and thats why i decided against having one fitted. I would of liked the extra support too for trackdays but without having a cage fitted, which i wont because its still a road car, the factory seatbelt is the safest option. I just lower my seat to the lowest position, put my belt on and then raise the seat and i find that holds me in place very well
06 October 2016, 05:40 AM
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Killer B now make one which picks up on the C pillars and goes basically across the top of the parcel shelf. It doesn't interfere with any of the rear seat area and you can take passengers without any safety issues.
My car never had rear seats so was never a problem.
My car never had rear seats so was never a problem.
06 October 2016, 07:28 AM
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If a harness bar is the way you are thinking of doing it...Go for it.Their has been alot of scaremongering on this thread,i have a few mates that have a harness bar fitted to their cars for years now and they do track days on a regular with zero problems,even Frayz had one fitted to his Bomber for years until he decided to go full WRC cage,So my advice is if you want one fitted...as it is part of "your" plans then go for it i doubt you will be dooming yourself to destruction,i hope not anyway.SJ.
,i have a few mates that have a harness bar fitted to their cars for years now and they do track days on a regular with zero problems,even Frayz had one fitted to his Bomber for years until he decided to go full WRC cage,So my advice is if you want one fitted...as it is part of "your" plans then go for it i doubt you will be dooming yourself to destruction,i hope not anyway.SJ.
06 October 2016, 09:31 AM
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I agree with you about fitting a complete solution i.e a Rollcage,but for the sole purpose of fitting a pair of harnesses a harness bar is completely Fine,i don't think anyone in their right mind would fit a harness bar for Crash protection...they would have to be a complete Dick head to think that a harness bar would save their life with their car on its roof Lol.SJ.
.SJ.You're still putting a large lump of metal in the area someone's face might occupy in a crash. Not something I'd fancy sitting behind.
06 October 2016, 09:33 AM
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That being said I can't work out how you'd get one across the c pillar with out something being in the area a head could impact it.
06 October 2016, 11:42 AM
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To answer your question YES,Otherwise i would not of mentioned it nothing major but enough to write the car off and had to get it rebuilt,He said to me that was the only thing that was still straight Lol.By the sounds of things you have had a bad experience with one fitted but not everyone has the same experience,to sum this up you won't fit one....but another guy will end of story.SJ.
06 October 2016, 12:16 PM
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Well what I have taken from this is that if I do run one, I will run a Hans device too. I bought a helmet with the capability just in case I decided to use one at some point.
Frayz, never heard of Killer B. I'll get on Google and see what I can find. Any opinions on who does the best bar?
Frayz, never heard of Killer B. I'll get on Google and see what I can find. Any opinions on who does the best bar?
06 October 2016, 12:44 PM
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Well what I have taken from this is that if I do run one, I will run a Hans device too. I bought a helmet with the capability just in case I decided to use one at some point.
Frayz, never heard of Killer B. I'll get on Google and see what I can find. Any opinions on who does the best bar?
Frayz, never heard of Killer B. I'll get on Google and see what I can find. Any opinions on who does the best bar?
If it were me I'd still rather use an inertia reel belt over a harness/harness bar set up but at least with a HANS device your limiting the risk of one of the more likely causes of injury in a crash (let's be honest, cars don't roll often).
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06 October 2016, 12:51 PM
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To answer your question YES,Otherwise i would not of mentioned it nothing major but enough to write the car off and had to get it rebuilt,He said to me that was the only thing that was still straight Lol.By the sounds of things you have had a bad experience with one fitted but not everyone has the same experience,to sum this up you won't fit one....but another guy will end of story.SJ.
(joke intended)My accident also led me to have a full Wrc cage fitted
