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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 08:25 AM
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Hi guys,
I've rebuilt my 2.35 engine due to some troubles with a cracked cylinder head.
Of course I wasn't able to reuse my old heads - so I bought another set of used STI V6 heads incl. camshafts and valvetrain (exactly the same, which were fitted before).
As there came no pulleys with the camshafts I bought I had to use the old ones. Unfortunetely two of them where slightly damaged, so I did changed them for pulleys of std. Turbo 2000 V5 heads.
Naturally I compared them to the old STI pulleys, but I can't find any difference.
I also had to change the crank pulley, as I destroyed it when removing it from the crankshaft.
Again I did use a pulley of my old std. Turbo 2000 V5 engine, which seemed to be exactly the same.

Now I've put on a new cambelt incl. tensioner and tried to spin the engine, but there seems to be no compression.
I've used the std. marks (lines) on the pulleys to assure proper timing as usual and everything seems to be perfect according to these marks.

I really don't know what I've done wrong - maybe someone could help me out.

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Rudi

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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 08:42 AM
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Are you sure the pulleys are fitted to the correct cams?
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 10:34 AM
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Yes - they are marked (R-In, R-Ex, L-In, L-Ex) - I've doublechecked it with the cams, when fitting them.
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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did you squeeze the oil out of the buckets?
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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Can you post up picture of the timing marks.
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blue_scooby187
did you squeeze the oil out of the buckets?
Do you mean the bucket tappets?
Sorry for my english - I have to look some words up in dictionary :-)

@ Shmerman:

I used these marks:

http://www.google.at/imgres?q=timing...K6ygNAC&zoom=1
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 01:11 PM
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When you say spin up the engine? I assume you mean it is back in the car?

Did you reset the valve clearences? STI 6 heads are solid lifters so not hydraulic.

So your cams are fitted correctly & pulleys?
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 01:59 PM
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Yes it is back in the car.
I've not reset the valve clearance, but all cams and pulleys are definitely fitted correctly.
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 04:27 PM
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Sorry I should have been more specific.

I was asking if you could post pictures of yours all times up so it could be double checked..........i'm sure its all fine but if, say the single marks on the cam wheels are lined up together then there is your problem.
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 05:22 PM
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Just a check. Have you used the correct mark on the crank puley. Theres s timing mark and also an arrow. People often time up using the arrow. This is incorrect. From memory the arrow points to 2o'clock when your on the correct mark
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Old Aug 22, 2012 | 09:11 PM
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You say different heads so you should of checked the valve clearences, who's to say shims got taken out and put in the wrong place? Regardless of that they will be different to what you had before because they are not the same heads, are the valves in the heads ok? Did you check and rebuild those heads?

Your markings off belt to pulleys are correct and your cams are installed correctly so whats going on here! Have you done a compression test?
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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 06:56 AM
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he s got no compression lol
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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 07:06 AM
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There's 2types of crank / trigger pulley , you haven't fitted a newage or viceversa depending on your Ecu trigger settings?

Also as mentioned do a compression check .

Ant

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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 10:12 AM
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Take the cam belt off and close the valves, then crank by hand (with plugs in) and see if you can feel compression, if not it's probably the valves not shutting for some reason, as Primero said check you have clearance between the cams and buckets with a feeler gauge, .006"/.008" inlet/exh
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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 07:23 PM
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As WMS said take the belt off & try what he advised, I would absolutley take the cam covers off and check the inlet & exhaust clearences.

Do you have a cylinder leakage tester? That way you will see where you are loosing compression e.g Inlet or exhaust.

Let us know what you find wrong, out of interest you had this engine running and then the head cracked? or? Was heat involved here?
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Old Aug 23, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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Have you got plugs in it
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 07:11 AM
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getting a cam sensor signal ok
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kenc
Have you got plugs in it
That what i was thinking all the way through reading this post lol. Sure he has though.
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 09:51 PM
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Be suprised, plugs could have been left out for the first cranking to get oil pressure up
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Old Aug 24, 2012 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbotits
Just a check. Have you used the correct mark on the crank puley. Theres s timing mark and also an arrow. People often time up using the arrow. This is incorrect. From memory the arrow points to 2o'clock when your on the correct mark
what he said

you have timed it on the exhaust stroke on the crank
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Old Aug 25, 2012 | 11:27 PM
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Chances are the valve clearances are wrong if you havent set them on assembly or even checked them prior to refitting the cam covers.

As mentioned above, make sure you are using the correct mark (line) and not the triangle (which is the TDC mark) on the crank pulley,



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