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Old 11 June 2012, 09:50 AM
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Default 380cc To 440cc Injector Upgrade

Hi can you advise anything i need to look out for when upgrading on a classic scooby?
i have an uprated fuel pump (255lph), TD05 turbo and uprated ecu
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Old 11 June 2012, 09:55 AM
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What year is the car? You will probably need adapters to fit the injectors, these are sold by Carl davey just google it, first result look in products.
Old 11 June 2012, 10:28 AM
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thanks i have seen these adapters on the website. is there anything more technical than that i should look out for?
i'm planning a rolling road session soon
its a 95 classic

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if its earlier than a 98 car you will need the map sensor from a 98>on so the mapper can raise the boost as the standard map sensor will fuel cut at 1.1 bar
Old 11 June 2012, 10:37 AM
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thanks i will look out for one
Old 11 June 2012, 12:24 PM
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Your injectors are phase 1, you can use injectors from STI V3/V4 without any adapters and their are 440cc yellow injectors.

You only need adapters if you are fitting Phase 2 injectors that comes on STI V5 on
Old 11 June 2012, 12:27 PM
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tbh i would put 550's on rather than 440's.
Old 11 June 2012, 12:34 PM
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Im waiting on 740cc, not saying 440cc are better then 550cc.
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Originally Posted by Shaks-STI
Im waiting on 740cc, not saying 440cc are better then 550cc.

no no i was talking in general from the above posts, not specificly your post
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
tbh i would put 550's on rather than 440's.
hmmm sounds likes that could be a lot more extra work to put on an EJ20G correct me if i am wrong?............
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
no no i was talking in general from the above posts, not specificly your post
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Originally Posted by Stu24
hmmm sounds likes that could be a lot more extra work to put on an EJ20G correct me if i am wrong?............

um, the injectors are exactly the same fitment etc just a bigger hole lol

just gives more head room on fueling
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My car made 366 @1.2bar boost with 440cc and FPR if that helps. 550cc will definatly give you more head room but if your figures arent anymore then 350bhp then 440cc with FPR and decent mapper should get you there with supporting mods
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
um, the injectors are exactly the same fitment etc just a bigger hole lol

just gives more head room on fueling
are they not top entry instead of side???
what other modifications would benefit? i have a fmic
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440's are more than enough for a tdo5 16g, these can achieve 350+ with a fuel reg, my old classic ran 352 on 440's
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Originally Posted by Stu24
are they not top entry instead of side???
what other modifications would benefit? i have a fmic
550cc pink from newage is top feed but you can get classic 550cc side feed as well.
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Originally Posted by Stu24
yep there the injectors ,,,, lol

all joking aside, have a look here, 550's and 740's both shown,

http://www.scoobyclinic.com/products_fueling.htm

or do you mean you actualy have them alredy so its a bit late?
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Originally Posted by Shaks-STI
My car made 366 @1.2bar boost with 440cc and FPR if that helps. 550cc will definatly give you more head room but if your figures arent anymore then 350bhp then 440cc with FPR and decent mapper should get you there with supporting mods

its very dependant on a car by car basis, mine ran out of squirt at about 330bhp on 44o's on standard fpr though.

550's is my next step combined with fpr
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
yep there the injectors ,,,, lol

all joking aside, have a look here, 550's and 740's both shown,

http://www.scoobyclinic.com/products_fueling.htm

or do you mean you actualy have them alredy so its a bit late?
i have them already but interested in the next step after 440's....
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If you already have them just spend a little more money and have them cleaned by Lateral Performance and you will get flow chart as well.
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Originally Posted by Stu24
i have them already but interested in the next step after 440's....
ah fair do's, prob 740's then, small jumps can be done but you tend to find you end up replacing same parts over and over.

once you max out the 440's and fpr then your at the engine build stage anyway, so then its a whole different ball game.

o also if your upping the power make sure you do the brakes
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Originally Posted by Shaks-STI
If you already have them just spend a little more money and have them cleaned by Lateral Performance and you will get flow chart as well.
yep you read my mind
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
ah fair do's, prob 740's then, small jumps can be done but you tend to find you end up replacing same parts over and over.

once you max out the 440's and fpr then your at the engine build stage anyway, so then its a whole different ball game.

o also if your upping the power make sure you do the brakes
i take it the fpr is essential for the next step?...
will be on the look out for some 4 pots in the future
is there an upgrade for single pots on the rear though?
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Originally Posted by Stu24
i take it the fpr is essential for the next step?...
will be on the look out for some 4 pots in the future
is there an upgrade for single pots on the rear though?

not essential, but advisable.

rears are less critical on a scoob, nice set of brembo's off a newage will be a big improvment, or if your feeling flush some AP 6's on the front hehe
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
not essential, but advisable.

rears are less critical on a scoob, nice set of brembo's off a newage will be a big improvment, or if your feeling flush some AP 6's on the front hehe
thanks for everyones advise
can anyone recommend a good fpr?
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are you doing all the machanics yourself?

if not then who ever you use to do the mechanics and mapping will prb do you a deal, a decent tuner/mapper will tend to supply decent stuff.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
are you doing all the machanics yourself?

if not then who ever you use to do the mechanics and mapping will prb do you a deal, a decent tuner/mapper will tend to supply decent stuff.
hmmm was going to do myself and take to a mapper but may have to ponder now for a bit.....
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lol, its a judgement call. The risk of getting your own parts is the 'what if they go wrong' type thing, turbo's the main offender, what happens if it doesn't work as expected?

i bought a turbo a while back to go on mine from on here, turned out housing was cracked. Took a couple of pics to show the guy and ask about refund, he said he didn't want it back (for the repair cost wasn't worth anything) and gave me a full refund, total stand up guy. But he could have been a right **** about it.

But if you go a to a tuner its will be more expensive, but yu have the knowledge of knowing as long as you choose a decent one they will see you right if theres an issue.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
lol, its a judgement call. The risk of getting your own parts is the 'what if they go wrong' type thing, turbo's the main offender, what happens if it doesn't work as expected?

i bought a turbo a while back to go on mine from on here, turned out housing was cracked. Took a couple of pics to show the guy and ask about refund, he said he didn't want it back (for the repair cost wasn't worth anything) and gave me a full refund, total stand up guy. But he could have been a right **** about it.

But if you go a to a tuner its will be more expensive, but yu have the knowledge of knowing as long as you choose a decent one they will see you right if theres an issue.
hmm yes i totally see where you are coming from. the pondering begins....


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