krazysteve

Just bought a brand new engine to replace my dead unit.
55 plate forester 2.5 xt
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3006102734...84.m1423.l2649
Was told by the seller the only thing needed was to exchange my intake for the one fitted.
The guy that is doing the work for me rang today, where is the oil feed and return for the turbo on the r/h cyl head.
Where the return should go into the head there is nothing on the head to fit this.
His concern is if this is a normal aspirated unit is that it wil self destruct.
Phoned the seller who teels meit is a 100% turbo engine.
And that i need to do a retro fit to fit the turbo, but did not say how??
My gut feeling is to send the engine back.
Rang subaru, because i do not have a chassis number to go with this engine it may hard to determine what spec this is.
Are we missing something??

Midlife......

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Never heard of "Road n' Race".....not one of the usual subaru names that crop up on here.

Is there anything stamped on the block ??


Shaun

TH3_5T1G

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Manifold looks like an N/A item to me

MicaDan

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+1. Definitely need the codes off the engine.

Shaks-STI

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If you dont have the oil feed and return for the turbo its an n/a engine and if its N/A then it wont be as strong as an engine that comes with turbo.

colebags

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on his add it says they do a non turbo one aswell so would say he has sent you the wrong one by mistake sent it back

MOTORS S GT

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That is a non turbo engine, it will have the cast in lugs for a turbo water feed & oil drain, but not drilled & tapped, but it will have the wrong compression ratio ( to high ) pistons etc.
You can see in one of the pictures of the rear of the r/h there's no fittings etc.

BlueBugEye

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Personally I'd say that looks like a N/A engine to me.

krazysteve

Hi cheers for all your replies, the guy that is fitting it used to work at scoobyclinic.
He rang me this morning with alarm bells ringing, after ringing the seller who tells me that this is not a n/a engine.
If he had told me at the time of sale that it needed to be "retro fitting"
Maybe i would have done more checks.

Rang subaru at sheffield and they are not aware of this in the uk, and how the turbo coud be fitted to this head in a accepable manner.
Then to the question of compression, i am not prepared to remove the head to confirm what pistons are fitted, as this will null any chance of returning i
Requested a full refund via e-mail.

Midlife......

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Just looked at the "Barcode".....does that say EJ255 ? Isn't that the USA engine that launched about the time as the hawk in America?

Shaun

krazysteve

yes it does, please any more info on this, when googled this did come up us market??

Midlife......

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EJ255 – Subaru 2.5 litre turbo engine (US Forester XT, Baja Turbo)
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...s-etc-451.html

It's listed as a Turbo engine if you look at the legacy sites and also if you look up a part for the EJ255 it's listed as a turbo engine.
http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlook...&TempYear=2011

But that's not a turbo engine...............

Shaun

merlin24

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The chassis number of the vehicle which the engine was destined for will be laser etched on the engine block - above the right hand side gearbox stud shown in the pictures (provided the seller hasnt ground it off).
No sign of oil return or coolant supply on the back of the right hand head,so i would say it was a N/A engine.
Does the bar code on the back of the left hand head tally up with the timing cover bar code ??

Mick

Midlife......

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merlin24

Just out of curiosity..........how on earth would the seller get hold of a brand new built engine ? Do Subaru do them as an item that can be ordered, fell of the back of a lorry, nicked from the shipper ?

as I say just curious as you say the recipient chassis number is etched onto the engine.

Shaun

merlin24

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Who knows where they got it from Shaun as there are no signs of pres.wax overspray on the engine when it is fitted at the factory,no signs of coolant or hose witness marks on the stat outlet.
One curious thing is the barcode on the second pic is complete but the close up 3rd pic has had the barcode penned out.

Mick

krazysteve

Quick update, loaded the engine into the back of my son's 1.0ltr swift (300+ bhp) and took it back this morning.
The chap, i think was a little surprised to say the least, trying to sort this over the phone or e-mail is just too and impersonal as we seemed to going in circles, i always prefer the direct route.
After seeing the problems' that are involved in fitting this engine and compared it to some secondhand units that he had i hope that a solution can be found without going down other routes.
Anyway i hope that this can be resovled with out any grief.
Waiting untill Monday with anticipation.
As to his source, all he would say is that they are bought direct from Japan.
Could not see any numbers etched on that would indicate chassis numbers etc.

Don Clark

The Engine wiring loom connectors would suggest its a late model

Engine number, if any, should be stamped near to the block/ bell housing joint



Engine from a 2008 Legacy Spec B............

Don Clark

http://translate.google.com/translat...220593366.html

Don Clark

Reason they are not there is that turbo is underslung at front.........

krazysteve

Cheer's for that, that is what the mechanic thought as no mount points on the back of the r/h head.
It would still have made it very hard to mod mine to fit.
Why Subaru could have told me that this was on later engine's when we enquired? you would think they know what they are selling???

krazysteve

Just as a matter of interest if i have to go down the route of modding this engine to fit.
where to source headers that will fit, will my turbo fit on this, does the ecu need changing remapping etc. O nearly forgot what sort of money will i be looking at, and anything else that i have missed.
thanks

just a bit upset, the family missed out on there hols this year to help pay for this, and it's gone all wrong!!

krazysteve

Latest info on this engine, is it was not destined for the uk market.
This has the AVLS + AVCS to reduce emissions.
I do not know if my ECU or wiring loom on my manifold will support the AVLS, or if the avls on the back of the r/h head will foul my turbo + mount bracket?
It's a pity because it looks like a nice piece of kit.
Any ideas if this is going to be a costly exercise to fit?

Fat Boy

It won't work with a turbo if it is an NA motor as the compression will be too high - it 'll kack itself. Get your money back and buy a turbo engine.

Galifrey

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It states clearly in the Ad on Ebay

If that info is correct it should just need a new oil feed pipe and the AVCS will work from the oil pressure feed surely?

Don Clark

Good to see that the Vendor has updated his info with a link showing the actual engine in situ......................

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...ic-112786.html


An aweful lot of modding to get that to fit in a Forester/Impreza.

krazysteve

Have a look how many times it has been edited, good job i printed one of from a earlier listing.

Galifrey

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Ah, nice one, another thing occured to me as AVLS is on N/A cars sin't it? Not turbos?