Mrchips

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Any good? looks ok but not risking to buy it as want something good. I know that andy f's are good turbos as I have his hybrid td04 on mine at mo and very impressed, I just fancy so more power now

joz8968

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How much is it?

FTR, harvey's fully ported 18g is, I think, £875 + £12.50 P&P.

Or there's the comparable Scooby Clinic SC36 XTR Billet for a tad more dosh (but is allegedly super spooling i.e. spools more like a 16g).

RA Dunk

Andy.F now sells the 18G again AFAIK.

joz8968

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Yeah he does. As does BOB'5.

They cost a shade more than harvey's one though, albeit all 3 are at least 'proper' 18g's!

71/200

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I may be mistaken Joz but i think you have the price for harveys 20G there.

Im pretty sure the 18G is under £700

joz8968

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Yes, I think you're right - It's something like £650 or 675 isn't it? Bonus!

Sorry, blonde moment.

jeffwrx

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I have a 18g kinugawa turbo , i have only used car a few times with it fitted, as i returned car back to standard as engine failed, but it seemed a good turbo to me , looks good quality and was happy with how it performed ,
its for sale if your interested as i returned my car back to standard

mikey30

got one from this place before...rip off!!!
didnt fit a subaru at all after been told it was perfect for my car...
avoid IMO...maybe i just got a bad egg!!

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Price PM'd

Mrchips

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PM replied.

Just need to find out about other peoples experience with the 18g bad boy

joz8968

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The mapper dynamix, proprietor of Race Dynamics, reckons it's a great turbo if wanting over 350bhp and staying on the 'right' side of otherwise gearbox-killing torque. So do other specialists.

Many members have the classic 550cc/FMIC/18g combo - hopefully they'll share their feedback...

Mrchips

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I've got sti8 top mount 440's which I am hoping to squeeze as much as I can out of them. Can't wait for others to pop along with results etc

dynamix

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Never heard of a kinugawa 18G but would say avoid and buy an 18G from harvey instead - they always produce the goods for not much dosh.

daijones

Is that off ebay? At least they brand the turbo as their own, unlike most of the rip off turbos on there, but it's not a genuine IHI 18G. How good kinugawa are as a turbo make I don't know, they may be better or worse than the genuine model, but is it worth the risk? The Harvey, Andy F etc 18Gs are better than the standard model and well regarded on here, and surely a much safer bet.

If you're buying new off ebay, be warned that the turbo will likely be shipped from overseas, and you'll be stung with about 20% import duty and taxes before you can take possession of the turbo. That pretty much wipes out the cost advantage

harvey

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The price is £725 for an 18G and I do two 18Gs subject to the spec you want. This includes ported exhaust inlet, uprated actuator, water pipes and oil drain.
I also have an 18G made from bits left over when we were developing the turbo. This will perform well but uses second hand refurbished housings. Price £650.
I also took in a new and unused AFP 18G against one of my new 20Gs. That can go for £600.
As regards my own turbos you can ask any of the mappers who work on them regularly, including Duncan above whether they do what it says on the tin.

stanspeedautocare

hi im wondering if any one can help me /,, i have just bought an s reg impreza turbo uk car , and would like it quicker im thinking of fitting a td05 turbo but have been told i would need a ecu off a sti wrx and throttle body is this true and do i need anything else , thanks ,, gary

harvey

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You might get more assistance if you start your own thread.
Include your model year and confirm what injectors are fitted, grey or yellow 440cc

stanspeedautocare

thank mate will do

Little rascal

Hi all, The resurection of this topic start now... Woohoo!

I am far from having a race car, its more like a SUV, and only 125HP stock...
I am driving a Mitsubishi Delica... But I like to share my story as this could help others as well.
I only read positive reviews before getting a Kinugawa KAMAC turbo, then once I got into troubles with it, I started to find some negatives reviews... But too late...
Now, its a long post, and a first post, do not take it as negative, but more like a little warning on what can happen with the Taiwanese turbo as if I had read some of your post here about those failure I wouldn't have got one...
Cheers
Now, the long post, get the popcorn or the haggis

Kinugawa Turbo made by KAMAK DYNAMICS review, catastrophic failure, turbo seal failed and near runaway
engine and No guaranty...

Here is a bad story and this is to warn you about my bad experience with those Chinese Turbos.
I nearly lost an engine, certainly lost money and a lot of time...
First they are not made in Japan, and I doubt that the bearing that is suppose to be made in Japan is really made in Japan either...
Its a Taiwanese made and not Japanese as the Advert says this is were they are based on ebay...

Now, all started when I wanted more power, then decided to go for a larger Turbo, the Kinugawa looking good and keen on price. I read some good reviews about them, then decided to take the plunge and bought one.
Got a special price at 300 pounds for the complete turbo shipped to Scotland.

The Turbo arrive and was bolted in.
More power indeed, you can feel it right away. I was delighted, but not for long... Not long at all...

After a long trip, on my way back, luckily just when I was near home, the Turbo started to wine a little louder? I didn't thought much about it as I barelly did 1500 miles with it on the Delica.

The next day I went for a spin and about 5 miles from where I started, at 20Mph, BANG! A loud noise, load of smoke, no power... EEK!
I stopped the deli ( I was very lucky there) and look under the hood, take the air intake out and the turbo at the front was ****ing engine oil, this was also going into the manifold... Not good as I nearly had a runaway engine!
The white smoke was engine oil going into the exhaust...
The turbo wheels was totally destroyed, the axle broken and the seal non existent as oil was pouring everywhere...

Home I took the turbo out, and put back the old Mitsubishi one, that has been there for 100,000 miles and was / is still going strong...

Now that was bad, really bad... But it get worse with Kinugawa kamak not accepting any liability there...
Kinugawa were a guaranty, well, is no guaranty...



Sachiko, the person I was talking to from Kinugawa kamak, started to tell me that something must have gone into the Turbo... Or that I turn the turbo housing to accommodate the fitting and that cause a total collapse( I get back to that later too) ... Or that my settings must be wrong and so on...
To that I replied that the old Mit turbo is still going strong, still in good shape, and all on the same settings...
Nothing would move Sachiko, it wasn't their reliable Turbos... Yeh, right...

I send him the Turbo back to Taiwan and Sachiko said he'll make a rebuild for me, need a new CHRA as the other was totally gone ( Like I wasn't aware of that) , and to fix it, Sachiko told me this would cost me 120 pounds... :deadhorse
I already paid 50 pounds to ship it back to Taiwan...

Then here we are, 300 + 50 + 120... Total of 470, a near runaway engine and huge amount of time and effort tinkering with the on and off turbo replacement...

I got the rebuild Turbo a while later. Now, the front wheel housing was on the wrong place, facing left when the Turbo was in instead of facing upward... I told Sachiko about this, to that he replied:
You can gently turn the wheel as we usually accommodate when customers want for their car??? He new it was for a Delica, he knew the intake should be facing upward, not sideways...The mind boggle here too as I was told on Turbo number one that if I moved the wheel, it was a reason for a failure, but now was told I can do it... Humm...

I put the turbo in, all oiled , let it idle for a bit, then stop the engine, all was good. I was back on track. Not for long... Not at all...

I drove to a shop nicely, town driving, no traffic, took me about 10 minutes.
From there I went to Mit dealer which was another 15 minutes away, there I had few burst to test the turbo, it wasn't spooling too fast I thought but hey, it was spooling...
At Mit, the car was idled and started to smoke, unusual, I thought it might be some oil that went into the exhaust?
From there a wee spin on the Highway see how it goes then 20 minutes later I stopped and the car and shock... It was smoking like hell... Again...
A guy stopped there telling me its the turbo seal, to that I replied, I just put the new turbo in now...
Went home blinding every one behind me with the smoke, took the turbo off and it was all wet with engine oil took the clip out, full of engine oil...

Now I am , again, back with the old Mit Turbo that is still going strong...

Sachiko from Kinugawa Kamak Dynamic sound like a broken record, this is not his turbo fault, this is my oil fed that are blocked, or something wrong with my settings and so on, he refuse to acknowledge the truth and that the old Mitsubishi Turbo is still going strong on the same car, same settings...

Kinugawa turbos from KAMAK are a total failure.
Kinugawa, when a guaranty is not a guaranty

Please , share your experience

PS:
The two turbos were 15T, I beleive they are the regular Subaru? Can anyone say? If they are water and oiled cooled like mine I'll be happy to get a proper turbo from a member, not that junk of Kinugawa . The ebay Turbo I got :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kinugawa-T...item19cf824dfa

Thank you

BrownPantsRacing

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Hi,

Sorry to hear about your bad news. I have to ask though.... did you have the ECU map adjusted for the replacement turbo or did you just bolt the Kinugawa turbo straight on in place of your old turbo unit and drive the car? If you have not checked the ECU then there is every chance you were overboosting the larger Kinugawa turbo unit.

Sorry, don't want to be negative, just jumped out at me from reading your post and had to ask.

Welcome to Scoobynet by the way!

Also.... I have rotated my own turbo unit housings in the past. Easy to do and no problem doing it as long as every bolt is torqued back up as it should be afterwards.

Little rascal

Hello,
This is a non computerized pump, no ECU.
I have a boost gauge and Boost was 21 PSI at peak/ Max and not for long, which, I was told by Kinugawa, was fine. Usually it was 19/ 20.
This could have been a possibility tho, but number 2 failed the same day
It fell less Boostier tho, and peak was only 17 PSI which was not right...
I couldn't have over boost it in town driving with few little burst going to Mitsubishi and there it was already showing a lot of smoke from the exhaust as the engine oil was sipping in thought the turbo seal...

BrownPantsRacing

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Doesn't sound too good then really. If you were monitoring boost levels as well then you would have thought it should be ok. Very unlucky. Hope you get something sorted with the supplier.

Little rascal

Kunigawa Kamak charged me 120 to get the first one rebuild, saying it was something at my end and that they were "doing me a favor" type of thing...
On the second failure on the same day they sounded like a broken record, its the same, it must be something on my side ( they purposely totally ignore that the original turbo is still going strong, even after the two kunigawa turbos totally failed)
This is why this post. To warn others. You see, people leave a positive on ebay after they receive the turbo, how many had failed after few days, but to late as they got their good review?
There is actually a volvo guy this month that left a negative . If my first failure was like that second one ( in less then a day) I would have done the same too, but how many got the turbo, are happy with for few days and leave a positive, only to find out that a month or less later, bang! It failed...
They won't do anything. I asked for the money back, but they will be more then happy to ignore me...

BrownPantsRacing

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I guess the old sayings still ring true then.

Buy cheap, buy twice! Or in your case, 3 times.

Hope you sort it.

Little rascal

Hi All,
I received a partial refund from kinigawa, the refunded me the first turbo minus the paypal charge. This is good news as I am less at a loss there.
When I got the time I might take the turbo to a specialist who will tell me why the failure on turbo 2.
Happy weekend to all

BrownPantsRacing

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Happy days!

Little rascal

Indeed it help with the pain...

I will be looking for a Mitsubishi or a Subaru Turbo, they are similar, are they? Or its heresy to put a Sub in a Mit?
Its apparently a regular TD05? This might be stock in many of your racer cars? No?
Any help would be appreciated
Cheers.

BrownPantsRacing

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From the link you put on your original post the turbo is a TD04L which is the same as a standard newage 01-07 WRX turbo, but with a different exhaust housing by the looks of it. These turbo's go very cheap second hand on here as most upgrade to an STI type turbo.

But, you'll have to swap the exhaust housing and build up a turbo yourself effectively.

Little rascal

Cheers,
You are right, I was just looking at them, they are TD04L /15T
If the exhaust is different it might be tricky
The original Mit is a TD04 ( I think) but with a smaller wheel 13(?)
Then I might be able to salvage the wheel 15T of the kinugawa and put it on the old Mit exhaust side?
What is the difference with 13 and 15T, is it in millimeters?
Thanks again

yabbadoo4

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the td05 is a mitsubishi turbo anyway bud so should be fine.