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Old 23 February 2010, 08:10 PM
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Im getting my 99 lump forged for 400 hp but looking at the Andyforrest web site there is not mention of forged internal at this level of tune im aware there is concern running these engines (mines a type R) at this level but are these people running 400 without forged internals ??
Old 23 February 2010, 08:34 PM
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sti lumps have semi forged internals and with the correct mods i believe its possible to run this power.

non forged engines will be a timebomb at that sorta level
Old 23 February 2010, 08:38 PM
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hmmm everytime I have mentioned this power with this engine people have started crying !!
Old 23 February 2010, 08:56 PM
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i have a 99 type r and was thinking of going towards the 400 mark but most people advise against it however on the andy forrest website it does say its possible in the meantime im booked into andys place for a remap to get to around 330
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i have a 99 type r and was thinking of going towards the 400 mark but most people advise against it however on the andy forrest website it does say its possible in the meantime im booked into andys place for a remap to get to around 330
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i was running 380 bhp and 330 lbft for a couple of years on a standard version 6 sti engine
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i have a 99 type r and was thinking of going towards the 400 mark but most people advise against it however on the andy forrest website it does say its possible in the meantime im booked into andys place for a remap to get to around 330

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Originally Posted by DaOne
i was running 380 bhp and 330 lbft for a couple of years on a standard version 6 sti engine
Just out of curisity, did your gearbox stick it ok?
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What's that Chris?

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Originally Posted by Terminator X
What's that Chris?

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I think he said ......

Originally Posted by chris cairns
i have a 99 type r and was thinking of going towards the 400 mark but most people advise against it however on the andy forrest website it does say its possible in the meantime im booked into andys place for a remap to get to around 330
Old 23 February 2010, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chris cairns
i have a 99 type r and was thinking of going towards the 400 mark but most people advise against it however on the andy forrest website it does say its possible in the meantime im booked into andys place for a remap to get to around 330

Are you building 3 cars . I was at Andy f today, done a superb job fitting +mapping simtek. I think 400bhp is ok on your eng. Depends how you drive it..
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Originally Posted by MK2VTR8VALVE
Just out of curisity, did your gearbox stick it ok?

till on standard box.

so far so good (fingers crossed)

now running at just under 420 bhp and 410 lbft
Old 23 February 2010, 09:29 PM
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is that all on standard gear eg gearbox / engine internals ??

Originally Posted by DaOne
till on standard box.

so far so good (fingers crossed)

now running at just under 420 bhp and 410 lbft
Old 23 February 2010, 09:31 PM
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Standard rods are the weakness on classic engines. I certainly wouldn't be pushing them more than 350bhp.

Swap the rods and the Classic STI engine is good for 500bhp no problem with other supporting mods. Only the STI though as the rest have crappy cast pistons.
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Originally Posted by DaOne
till on standard box.

so far so good (fingers crossed)

now running at just under 420 bhp and 410 lbft
My god
Keep hearing stories that the V5 sti box is very strong & it's tempting me to go over the 335bhp mark
Old 23 February 2010, 09:34 PM
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ps im i like to think im very mechanically sympathetic it does not spend a lot of time on high boost most of the time it running just over standard power on very low boost setting
Old 23 February 2010, 09:37 PM
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can anybody suggest a good mapper in the south east area to get this done I already have front mount IC uprated turbo on the way think garett 550cc inj fuel pressure reg uprated clutch k&N etc ?
Old 23 February 2010, 09:39 PM
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sorry me again any idea were i can get uprated rods fitted without total rebuild costs

Originally Posted by dazdavies
Standard rods are the weakness on classic engines. I certainly wouldn't be pushing them more than 350bhp.

Swap the rods and the Classic STI engine is good for 500bhp no problem with other supporting mods. Only the STI though as the rest have crappy cast pistons.
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You can't.

In order to fit the rods you'll have to rebuild the engine as you'll need to split the block halves to swap the rods.
Old 23 February 2010, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dazdavies
You can't.

In order to fit the rods you'll have to rebuild the engine as you'll need to split the block halves to swap the rods.

i heard you can put them through the oil cap?
Old 23 February 2010, 10:53 PM
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its all money,money,money and then its- i want more power,is there a help line for bhp junkies ? lol.
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Originally Posted by carl heath
its all money,money,money and then its- i want more power,is there a help line for bhp junkies ? lol.
Yes there is
Old 24 February 2010, 01:41 AM
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Lol
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So I may aswell get the pistons done at the same time found a set of piston and rods Manley i believe on ebay been told they are good but you get a fair bit of piston slap when cold
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Originally Posted by ZippyBobby
So I may aswell get the pistons done at the same time found a set of piston and rods Manley i believe on ebay been told they are good but you get a fair bit of piston slap when cold
I have just bought some wiseco pistons and eagle rods got them from realstreetperformance in the states they were $780 plus shipping
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If your doing the rods and pistons then you may as well upgrade your crank to the twin scroll unit which gives better oil feed to the bearings, but I'm with daz on this, 350bhp is the max you really want to push your engine with the standard rods if you want reliability.

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that sounds pretty good price wise any rought estimate for labour costs for the build im getting a quote but would like a comparison

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I have just bought some wiseco pistons and eagle rods got them from realstreetperformance in the states they were $780 plus shipping
Old 24 February 2010, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ZippyBobby
that sounds pretty good price wise any rought estimate for labour costs for the build im getting a quote but would like a comparison
Hi mate im actually doing the build myself you can check out my progress here
Steve Powell's Photos - Car engine in bits | Facebook

i will be recieving the items tomorrow
also getting cosworth bearings, new oil pump, arp bolts, thermostat and gaskets
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Fair play with i was brave enough to do it and had the tools got the know how just not the other bits lol any idea what a build would cost ?

Originally Posted by stevie_p
Hi mate im actually doing the build myself you can check out my progress here
Steve Powell's Photos - Car engine in bits | Facebook

i will be recieving the items tomorrow
also getting cosworth bearings, new oil pump, arp bolts, thermostat and gaskets
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I use Real Street Performance, Excellent value for money and delivery is within a few days. Very good choice of products too.


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