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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 06:57 AM
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Default Steering shuddering under hard breaking

Would like to get people opinion here. Have an 02 Sti with a steering shuddering under high speed braking but under low speed no problem at all when braking. these are so far have been check:

- brakes pads & rotor all normal wear
- have try replacing the brembo caliper as well with a japan surplus but still same problem
- replace hub assembly n wheel bearings
- replace damage rack holder bushing.
- all underchasis bushing is fine
- wheel balance and alignment
- air pressure on each wheels is even
- tie rod and rack end replace
- clean abs sensor even though no abs light coming on

any suggestion guys?
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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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Discs are warped I reckon. You normally feel it more when braking from high speed's.
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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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classic warped disc symptoms on a newage, pun
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As above, classic warped disc syndrome. I had really bad vibration when braking hard, totally gone now new discs are fitted. You can avoid the discs warping by doing the last few miles with easy braking. This stops a really hot pad sitting over the disc and warming up a small section.
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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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I will be interested to see the outcome of this. I had the same with my car, replaced everything with new and still no fix. Even brand new disks and pads made no difference at all. The main stealer said it must be warped alloys so even replaced those, still no difference. Track rod ends, track rods, bushes, suspension, etc all replaced still no fix.
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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dan83590
I will be interested to see the outcome of this. I had the same with my car, replaced everything with new and still no fix. Even brand new disks and pads made no difference at all. The main stealer said it must be warped alloys so even replaced those, still no difference. Track rod ends, track rods, bushes, suspension, etc all replaced still no fix.
Crap/rust between the disc and hub face maybe?
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Old Apr 12, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by T5OLF
Crap/rust between the disc and hub face maybe?
or the new discs are warped, very possible, new discs can be
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by T5OLF
Crap/rust between the disc and hub face maybe?
Cleaned the faces when the new discs were fitted.

My point to the OP is that it isn't necessarily the discs. Don't do what I did and just throw cash at the problem. Have each item checked if possible before new items are unnecessarily fitted.
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by p12mem
or the new discs are warped, very possible, new discs can be
Agreed, but maybe more common is Halley's Comet.
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 06:30 AM
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have try cleaning the abs sensor unit and will try to test it out again. rotor was also replace and still same problem
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dan83590
Agreed, but maybe more common is Halley's Comet.
think you'll find many a new disc fitted are warped, i'm in the trade and change more disc's than i've seen the comet!
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by p12mem
think you'll find many a new disc fitted are warped, i'm in the trade and change more disc's than i've seen the comet!
That's just a bit scary, would presume this would have to be during manufacture, worrying that variance on a rotor is so slack that it can be felt despite brake geometry tolerances. Certain manufacturers will be worse at this than others, it's the nature of making stuff. Care to name a few (if discernable)?
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 01:42 AM
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will have the rotor disk check at the machine shop for warpage
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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have the rotor rephase but still no avail problem is still there
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 03:29 PM
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had same proble on my car, heavy judder under breakin, one of the front shockers was knackered, replaced it and now its fine.
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Old Apr 15, 2008 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Worm
That's just a bit scary, would presume this would have to be during manufacture, worrying that variance on a rotor is so slack that it can be felt despite brake geometry tolerances. Certain manufacturers will be worse at this than others, it's the nature of making stuff. Care to name a few (if discernable)?
to be honest no subaru's as yet but, bmw, a lot of cryslers, escorts, a few other french pants cars, can be that they used them too hard too quick, but yes could be any car
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wrxhewitson: will try your suggestion
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 07:39 AM
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have check both front n rear suspension all seems fine. anyone has any more ideas?
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 01:11 PM
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if you can get the car in a brake roller tester, try that but you'll have to get the rear wheals off the ground, that'll def sort out if it's the brake discs, make sure all joints are good and get the wheels balanced
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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 01:25 AM
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phmem: yes have done already wheel balancing and chassis align. Brake disk has already been replace also
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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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you need to check the disc's cos it all seems to be leading to them, as i said new one's can sometimes be warped
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Old Apr 19, 2008 | 03:06 AM
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p12men: have also rephase the rotor but still the same problem
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Old Apr 19, 2008 | 06:50 PM
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thats why i think it's the disc's, wish i could drive it, then i'd know
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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anyone has any more ideas??
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