tinvek

generally only thing to watch with a bump start on a car is if you flood the cats (if fitted ) and then the petrol ignites in them and knackers them or the same thing happens with an exhaust box and splits it

when you tried to start it did the rev counter move?

if not then its an ignition control problem ie everything up to coil etc

[Edited by tinvek - 10/1/2002 10:35:02 AM]

Hong Kong Phooey

mine didn't start last night. Got in, key in ignition, pressed immobiliser button on the remote, turned key to start, lots of clicking as already described above, then starter turned over slowly ie. battery juice running out (switched off, put on headlights, try to start, headlights flicker & dim), also alarm bleeped once. No previous warning via CEL.
Decided to get a tow to someone who'll check it out today.
Will post the diagnosis later, when I get the good news.

P.S. Before now, sometimes when I switched on, the radio/cd would be at full volume........and no, it wasn't before I switched off.
and the alarm would sometimes bleep once when the key is turned to start position......but the car started ok. What's going on?

[Edited by Hong Kong Phooey - 10/3/2002 9:31:30 AM]

Hong Kong Phooey

Mods, why am I told my username & password don't match when I go to edit?

Edited cause TolTec got it right. Cheers m8

[Edited by Hong Kong Phooey - 10/3/2002 9:33:54 AM]

Hong Kong Phooey

Thanks JGM,
the radio thing only happens sometimes. It's the OEM one with a cd multi-changer connected. I'll check the default, but I wonder if there's an electrical fault to do with the radio which has lead to my woes.

p.s. can a battery just suddenly go dead with no warning? It started strongly up to last night.

[Edited by Hong Kong Phooey - 10/3/2002 10:32:26 AM]

shiper

Drive car and then stopped.(my95 uk wagon)
Started up 1hr later but wouldn't start at all.
Checked both immob. OK.
There was a clicking coming from behind the right hand side of the dash board and the engine check light came on and off while i was turning it over.
Also under the bonet there is a tiking (loadish) coming down the pipes from the petrol filter.
Eventualy it started and stunk of unburnt petrol.
Any one any ideas.
Cheers.

BigBadAd

I had a problem with my 94 WRX RA winding and not firing up.

Always started eventually but it could vary from 5mins to 2hours before it did. Made the clicking noises you describe.

Changed the crankshaft sensor this week and has cured the problem, but get it checked to be positive that's the fault coz I was £115.22 for the sensor from the dealers!

shiper

anyone any ideas please.
TA.

FASTER MIKE!!

bump start it? by towing it
always worth a try unless some says it dangerous for the engine??

shiper

Could be coil packs me thinks?
I've got missing engine on high load when warm so could be coils.
I'll go and spend £200 on a set then(****)

Jolly Green Monster 2

On my first Scoob had a similar problem on in reverse but might be related.. no fuel at all.. the fuel pump came on with the ignition.. open the door and turn on the ignition and you can here the pump pressurize the system but wouldn't start..

It was related to the fuel filter of pressure realise valve as swapping the fuel filter for another meant it started..
Then problem would reoccur randomly and swap fuel filter to previous one and off it went again..

Solved the problem by hitting a people carrier! doh!

Might be worth trying the plugs before 200pound coil packs..

JGM

shiper

i've got a fairly new set of plugs and new rubber boots.

joop!

the dealer once told me never bump start a scoob as it puts strain on the cam belt !!!!!!!!!!!!!

SCOOBY TOWERS

iTrader: (7)

Try cleaning the cam sensor.
Just had the same problem. Cleaned the sensor rather than replacing it and everthing now works fine.
2 min job. All you need is a 10mm spanner and a cloth.

ustolemyname??stevieturbo

iTrader: (1)

cam belt??? bollox. The cat apparently can be damaged from unburnt fuel getting into it if you bump start, but I think that too is being over cautious. Besides no one still has cats in their cars, do they??
The car should start on the starter though. Do you have a spark?? Maybe try a second hand coil pack, before buying a new one.

Jolly Green Monster 2

StevieTurbo,

I couldn't see how the cambelt could be effected by bumpstarting the car myself either... so glad you thought the same thing.

Also don't see the point in towing it to start it as you will still have the problem that caused it to not start and therefore it might not start again next time you stop etc..
The only reason you might want to do this is to get yourself and the car home, but still better to carry some jump leads and renew the AA/RAC/Greeflag membership

JGM

Jolly Green Monster 2

Also...

As mentioned above it might be worth cleaning or trying out replacement cam sensor and also crank sensor..

Cam sensor is below the oil filler on the block, has a 10mm bolt on the top and some wires coming out.. undo the bolt and disconnect the wires and pull it out, clean the muck off it or swap with someone elses..

Crank sensor looks identical (not sure if they are though so done muddle them) and is between all the pulley wheels above the crank pulley in the middle front of the engine.

They are expensive to reply, Halfords do cheap alternatives which seem to do the job.. but you pays your money and takes your chances..

JGM

Jolly Green Monster 2

In fact it was Nimbus that had this problem and I suggested cleaning the sensors and it solved it although I think it was reoccurring.. I see if I can find his original thread.

JGM

Jolly Green Monster 2

Here you go http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...ThreadID=99466

Hope this is you problem.

JGM

shiper

Thanks for that. I'll try cleaning both tomorrow night .

TolTec

HKP

Try putting the capitals into your username in the logon box.

Jolly Green Monster 2

Edit is likely to be the case on your username, make sure all letters are upper or lower case as required.

Well sounded like the battery was dead to start with, but not sure why the stereo would come on loud.. unless the default settings are loud and you try and start it and it drops the battery lower than 12volts and the stereo loses it's memory.

JGM

Jolly Green Monster 2

Usually you get some warning with the battery but it could have been that you stopped it last when you had the lights on, the stereo on, etc.. so the battery was slightly lower charge than normal?

Could well be a fault on the radio though shorting out the battery and draining it?

Difficult to tell without having a look, hope it is sorted without too much hassle..

JGM

Hong Kong Phooey

Oh dear. Still no joy. Apparently it won't even jump start. It won't turn over at all. Any ideas?

Shiper, did you find your problem?

Jolly Green Monster 2

Oh shi1te!

If it won't turn over then it points towards to starter motor or the ignition switch, unless there is a wiring fault somewhere..

Sounds like removing the starter and seeing if it turns when 12volt is applied might be the next step?

Assuming it is at a competent garage they should know what to look for anyway?

JGM

Hong Kong Phooey

It's with an 'independent specialist' who's got my trust. It's just he's been at it since this morning and says he's going through a series of checks until he finds the fault. He says it's a b*tch to change the starter motor.
I'm trying to short circuit (excuse the pun) things by asking if anyone here recognises the symtoms or could point to a fix.
At the moment the labour charge is rising

Jolly Green Monster 2

I have not changed a starter myself but it is not that difficult so I have been told.. just need to remove the intercooler first..

Well I hope they find the fault soon, or someone else reconigses it from your description on here.

JGM

Hong Kong Phooey

WTF?
Got the car back last night & it starts but the battery is nearly flat. The bloke who had the car says he ran throught a whole sh*t load of electrical/sensor checks and came up blank. He replaced the ECU and the car starts. So he puts my ECU back in - and the car starts..!?
So....I've got my car back, nothings been changed/replaced, it starts at the moment, but even after an overnight charge the battery's struggling, and I'm none the wiser as to the original problem. It's fingers crossed time, and a new battery in the meantime.

Jolly Green Monster 2

At least it is going...

perhaps the dying battery put the ECU in some strange mode?
bizarre..

Glad it is sorted, I'd get a battery ASAP then.. IMHO..

JGM

tinvek

if you have awell flat battery then a jump start may not work due to flat battery robbing the current.

also a lot of cars with coil pack type igition will not start with a mains booster attached to the battery. fords are particularly bad in this respect

Hong Kong Phooey

A battery cell was dead, so I've just put in a new battery & alls well....so far. But I don't know if that was the original cause or if something else caused the battery to die. I would have hoped the guy that spent all day at it yesterday would have checked the battery in the first place!