hello everyone, ive just come across a APS inner wing induction kit for sale and wanted to know if anyone has heard of them before and if they are any good. Apparently they retail at over £260 and are as good as the HKS kit?? and it is also claimed that they fit all classic scoobies!! can anyone tell me if this is true please.

 

APS gear are supposed to be pretty good, though haven't seen a cold air induction kit for a classic.

The pic looks like it's for a newage which has a different MAF sensor to the classics

 

That is for a classic, it has a classic maf assy still bolted to it, you can't fit one of these without a remap, otherwise you will damage something due to the maf scaling needing a significant alteration. This is due to the pipe design changing the air velocity over the maf element causing it to generate less output for a given air flow.

bob

 

You're right, only quickly glanced at the pic

 

great bit of kit, but remap required as Bob said. I just paid £199.89 inc delivery from here sales@japaneseperformancepartsuk.com ask for Di

 

Also available in red:

 

same colour as mine

 

is it worth me gettin one, my car is completely standard (gettin 3" decat at the weekend) and it seems like a pricey mod when i will have to get a remap aswell considering i dont plan to do heavy modding on the car as its used every day and i dont drive it hard.


how much will it cost for a remap??

 

its not worth it then, just get yourself a green panel filter for your standard airbox. pretty sure the standard set up is only restrictive over 350bhp.

 

quick question trails - where did you get the blanking plate to go over the hole in the inner wing?

Do you know if they do one for a newage?

 

i haven't, thats dog poles engine bay and I'm waiting for my front mount to arrive

i think MRT made the blanking plate for the classic but I'm sure you can get one from subaru...sorry i can't be of more help

 

Yes Dunc...

They make one for the newage...

I have one..

 

and you got it from ?

 

 

quick question, if i get a straight thru 3" decat exhaust fitted on, will i need to get a remap?? ive been told yes by one person and no by another.

 

you do not need to get a remap when you decat...however you will not get the full benefit of the mod as the ECU needs to be updated to reflect the freer flowing exhaust gases.

Any corrections anyone?

 

You do need a remap, not just for getting full benefit of the mod, but for longetivity of the engine.

I do stand corrected though.

 

The blanking plates were fitted to the classic sport, i'm not sure about the new age engine bays.

It was a standard subaru part.

 

i ran a fully decatted system for over two years with no ill effects...you don't need a remap but it is a far better option

i don't need correcting

 

You do need correcting..

Sure your car will run no problems with a decat and no map. But it WILL det higher up in the RPM range if not setup properly.

Loads of people will say "ive got a decat and its not blown up yet". But the reality of it is that theyre not monitoring their boost/AFR and Knock correctly.. if at all?

Dont skimp on getting the car mapped... Do it properly.

 

As Frayz says, strictly speaking, a car needs to be remapped for every mod put on it to get the best out of the car - especially for induction mods

 

i can only speak through personal experience, boost certainly went up but the car drove without exhibiting an detrimental characteristics. i can't recall reading of anyone blowing up an engine that has no underlying issues with just a decat...maybe it can be a contributing factor to engine failure but not the sole culprit.

i'm sure a decat effects the way the car runs and is not operating within completely ideal parameters...but how much do they really increase the chance of engine failure?

got to admit i did take ages to sort my TEK3 out and wished I done it earlier...much nicer car to drive afterwards

 

You personally might not notice any difference in run characteristics but i assure you that these things will be happening if the engine is not setup correctly.

You might not actually blow the car up but it will be detonating at higher RPMs of which will put massive shockloading on the piston crowns and upper big end bearings.

Only a matter of time will see this det destroy an engine.

The increase in boost will see the AFRs higher than ideal.. this will also produce much more heat at high RPM and therefore hotter piston crowns, increased chances of det and higher EGTs.

Up to you.. pays your money you take your chances.

I know what I would do.

 

when mine was decatted we were not able to complete the mapping the same day so had to drive home as it was.

I am really glad that I have a boost gauge for sure because 1.6 bar shot up so quickly even at half throttle that it could well have gone to 1.8 + and ended in pieces of engine departing the scene rapidly.

Sure the car felt really rapid as most people say when they decat and argue that they dont need a remap, but do you feel lucky?

 

i'm not disputing there will be a change in operating parameters, i'm only relating personal experience and pointing out that running a full decat without a remap will not result in blowing your engine up unless their are other underlying factors involved...I'm also not disputing that a remap is the most sensible way to go or your occupation derived knowledge is superior to mine

there are so many urban myths floating around sn newbies end up spending loads of money initially that maybe they don't need too...

 

[QUOTE=dynamix;6749219]when mine was decatted we were not able to complete the mapping the same day so had to drive home as it was.

I am really glad that I have a boost gauge for sure because 1.6 bar shot up so quickly even at half throttle that it could well have gone to 1.8 + and ended in pieces of engine departing the scene rapidly.
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my SECS monitor recorded a peak of 1.37bar running a full decat not normally exceeding 1.3, post remap it peaks at around 1.26. But then you would expect to see differences as we have different cars running different engines and ancillaries.

no I don’t feel lucky, I have just never seen or read of a blown lump soley due to a decat (and panel filter)…which after all was L.J.F asked

 

Okay mate..

Go get a decat

 

I think mine (2.5 06) would have died if left unmapped after boosting to the levels that it was heading towards. (1.8 bar with chocolate pistons wouldnt have lasted long ) I dont think classics are as prone to needing remaps as much though from what I have been told.

 

lol, got one

 

tbh if i'd have been hitting 1.8 bar i would have panicked a little and got it remapped much sooner