d.kenny

im thinking to remove my alcatek in favour of esl so I can self map


it has pretty much all the same features I can tell but with the added bonus of better support and the fact for every little mod I do I can tweek myself as I can log and edit easily something which I cannot do with simtek/alkatec


or am I wrong and should I try and source a lead for alkatec to map that?


can I log with my alkatec though like I can with esl...(been doing a bit with tactrix on my dads newage and I think im getting to grips with it)


for the cost of esl its like having 2 or 3 tweeks to my current map so basically will pay for itself within 2 little mods!!!

d.kenny

mine is a v3...will I even be able to have the motorsports pack for mafless etc?

JGlanzaV

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If it sint broke don't fix it

d.kenny

I cant change anything myself though which id like to

Can make edits on the fly and do switchable maps!

bustaMOVEs

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I wouldn't, alcatek is a decent ecu, IMO if you want to map it that bad, learn the software.

d.kenny

Iv never seen or heard of anyone using or getting hold of the software

I would happily

I would need to log info though in order to map as i have no rr

Anyone have any first hand experience with alcatek/simtek E1s stuff

Cheers

JGlanzaV

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Ask your mapper software is readily available.

d.kenny

Iv asked 2 mappers to get hold of a lead and dongle and nothing has ever materialised

If i can get hold of it what is the actual software like...can i log information or do i need a standalone logger and if so can anyone recommend anything?

Cheers

ossett2k2

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afaik you can buy the software and dongle,alcatek would be the best people to ask.

ESL is good tho,software is easy to use and support is great if you need it

d.kenny

Based on support alone if i can get motorsports pack for a v3 i tjink its a no brainer

Software looks very similar to Ecu flash like what im using for newage open source

I only wanna do it as this is just as much 'fun' mapping after to see what gains (if any) you have achieved by making and changing bits lol

ossett2k2

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I also have a v3 with Motorsport pack(not had much time to try the features out yet)
The self mapping I really like and live mapping is a big bonus to flash mapping,being able to data Log is invaluable imo.

d.kenny

So the earlier one can deffo have mafless a/l and l/c and switchable maps?

ossett2k2

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The early one is V1/2 and no Motorsport pack atm
V3/4 does have Motorsport pack.

Both are Mafless capable and switchable maps
You don't need the Motorsport pack for mafless or twin map.

The Motorsport features are LC/ALS/TC/Flat foot shift.

http://www.enduringsolutions.com/cat...cal-documents/

d.kenny

Thats good then

I may have one last tey to get the stuff for my simtek

I think though with the stuff i want to do/learn it may be a better move to go with the esl stuff

Prob wuicker to pay and cheaper in long run (fuel costs) to have a professional map my ecu but i dont learn anything that way 😂

Need some good det cans to monitor knock to or does esl have closed loop knock?

I think simtek currently running with the knock sensor in open loop

Does esl have eml flash under knock conditions etc to?

ossett2k2

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ESL retains OEM knock control and diagnostics.
CEL not used for Knock detection.
Detcans are a must when tuning any ECU.

I have a windows tablet set up so can have all the parameters on view(similar to a toucan)
And a Knocklink to set up when i get time as i don't always run with the tablet.

d.kenny

Im interested more in det cans so i can listen for the onset and then when its done i can take it out the car

Can use it between the 2 cars then to

ossett2k2

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Best are the old school ones tbh
I made electronic ones and they suffer a little interference,they do work well tho.
Both old school and electronic are cheap and easy to make and loads of instructions online on how to build

stonejedi

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THIS!.SJ.

d.kenny

I need to be anle to log to do it myself though

Can i do that with the simtek/alcatek

Its an older E1S type ecu

Cheers

stonejedi

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Are you a mapper?As I personally would not tamper with software/ parameters that I did not 100% understand, best left to the pros.SJ.

ossett2k2

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ESL comes with a user manual,very handy!
ESL also run a mapping course at under £200

And even if not mapping then imo the ability to data log and view live data for all parameters is very handy

DIY FTW

stonejedi

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Maybe this is a good option for you if you have to map your car yourself at least when it blows up you know that it was you.SJ.

ossett2k2

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Not always the case tho,that why the ability to watch all perameters by either data logging or watching them live is sometimes a very good thing to have.

My car did 'blow up' after a 'PRO' map lol
The fact that I was too late to detect the heavily detting engine gave me no chance! It's actually easy to map a safe one(which I did,albeit too late to save it) but I agree,it's hard to safely push the car to its limits safely.
Can be learnt tho

d.kenny

Im not a mapper

Im learning though

How else will i get there unless i try?

The more i get into it the more sense it makes

Like i said im currently doing a newage (that i buildt a fully forged 2.1 engine for) that judging by the maf voltage is in the mid 300s

Like osset says...if you can log (invaluable) its easy to see whats happening and understand what input changes what

I actually wuite enjoy doing it even if it is a pita doing a log edit and flash on the road

I would not be able to map or it would be of great difficulty if i cannot log via the ecu

Hence the reason i ask can i log if i get the cable and software on my simtek

If not

In the hope of learning and developing my knowledge i think the esl would be the way forward

So if anyone an comment first hand on my simtek or has experience it would be of great interest!

bustaMOVEs

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Tbh, I don't doupt the diy mappers as some do it better than others and a good learning curve. It's all computer tech anyway and some like me like to do stuff myself so you know what's what (but I can't map for **** lol) but looking at stuff on computer, it doesn't seem that complicated if you know what your doing.
I think I can just about upload a map sent via email lol, I was well chuffed when I did it.

d.kenny

If it blows when mapping/logging you will have a very good idea what let go

If it was to much ignition/to lean/just mechanical failure

Learn by your mistakes

Constantly logging knock

Iv had loads of help so far but thats the idea of opensource surely?! Iv learnt a ridiculous amount though and its just clicking bit by bit now making sense

Actually beginning to make sense/become more simple

You need to know what certain things should look like though hence where a helping hand and others experience/viewing logs online become invaluable

d.kenny

Detting could of been down to ****e fuel/on the rollers i never think the loading is the same so when tickling knock foe most power on rollers its different when in the real world on the road

I dont know how far or close or extra knock would cause that much damage but thats just what iv seen so far or understand

Which i may have got wrong still 😂

stonejedi

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d.kenny, don't let me discourage you I admire the fact that you're prepared to try to do the mapping yourselfi completely understand wanting to do things yourself because number one it saves you money.All I was trying to say is that after spending money modifying a engine it can be a very expensive lesson if you get it wrong,but hats off to you mate and I wish you all the best with whatever you choose to do.SJ.

d.kenny

If it breaks make it better 😂

ossett2k2

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I think what d.kenny is trying to say is,if you can service your own car with confidence,if you can change your brakes with confidence,why not remap your car with the same confidence?
I picked my highly modified classic up 6 month ago,it was mapped by some 'pro' mapper,luckily I had a lead to data log......not so lucky that the forged engine let go
My data logging showed it was detting It's **** off(just after a remap for the twin scroll) the Pistons showed signs of det before exploding!
Obviously Most pro mappers(especially ones with a good rep) are safe but I would rather map my own,awt goes wrong then I can't blame anyone but ME!