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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 12:16 PM
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Guys i understand a fresh import needs to be mapped for uk fuel but what are the options regarding mapping.? Does ecutek, carberry and the likes work same as uk cars?

Or can the standard Ecu just be altered for v power?

Car is a 2005 Newage jdm

My concern is driving the car on v power without a uk fuel map, if it does need the full hog map I may aswell collect decat, fuel pump pannel filter etc?

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Drive it gently and off boost to be on the safe side. Fuel in Japan is known as jungle juice for a reason...
You can get it mapped as it is, but if you're looking for decent reliable power, then fit a panel filter and uprated fuel pump. If you want a really good in tank pump, look for Aeromotive. Scobyworx and RCM sell their own branded versions of these pumps.

By the way, what year and model is it?
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Drive it gently and off boost to be on the safe side. Fuel in Japan is known as jungle juice for a reason...
You can get it mapped as it is, but if you're looking for decent reliable power, then fit a panel filter and uprated fuel pump. If you want a really good in tank pump, look for Aeromotive. Scobyworx and RCM sell their own branded versions of these pumps.

By the way, what year and model is it?
Sorry it's a 2005 newage jdm.. Added above now. So I'm guessing it'll need the full re map in which case I may aswell fit the parts to get the most out of the map?

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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 12:39 PM
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yep i,d be inclined to get the parts and get it all done at the same time as it will need ecutek or carberry installed to adjust the map. jap fuel is 100 ron iirc. you could use v power and some octane booster if it needed to be moved or driven somewhere i guess.
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by yabbadoo4
yep i,d be inclined to get the parts and get it all done at the same time as it will need ecutek or carberry installed to adjust the map. jap fuel is 100 ron iirc. you could use v power and some octane booster if it needed to be moved or driven somewhere i guess.
Thinking the same too... It's completly stock I should be collecting it in the next two weeks so I'll have to use octane booster to bring it home.

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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:08 PM
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id take a few bottles martin yes. drive off boost and should be fine. you can sit at 70mph off boost no problem.
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Originally Posted by yabbadoo4
id take a few bottles martin yes. drive off boost and should be fine. you can sit at 70mph off boost no problem.
Your right mate cheers.. Ive dropped Alyn a mesage to send me the parts so I'll get them on then book a remap..

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any more info on the car martin?
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Yeah if that's the case, get a filter, pump, 3 port bs and decent full twinscroll exhaust like the milltek brand. I got these parts when I got mine and had it mapped too. It sounds beautiful! My pal said it sounds expensive sounding (what ever that means)... Honestly, the best sounding car I've ever owned by a long mile! Some say that the milltek isn't all that, but I looked at lots and compared sound levels etc... The milltek is exactly 101db at half a meter and at three quarter revs. Anything else would (IMO) be too loud for lots of places. Plus I think it looks the best

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Originally Posted by yabbadoo4
any more info on the car martin?
Sure mate it's this one, all paid just waiting for the uk docs then will go and collect...




Completely stock from hurst cars

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Originally Posted by M2RTXbugeye
Sure mate it's this one, all paid just waiting for the uk docs then will go and collect...




Completely stock from hurst cars

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Beautiful colour. The best JDM colour to have
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:46 PM
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Yeah if that's the case, get a filter, pump, 3 port bs and decent full twinscroll exhaust like the milltek brand. I got these parts when I got mine and had it mapped too. It sounds beautiful! My pal said it sounds expensive sounding (what ever that means)... Honestly, the best sounding car I've ever owned by a long mile! Some say that the milltek isn't all that, but I looked at lots and compared sound levels etc... The milltek is exactly 101db at half a meter and at three quarter revs. Anything else would (IMO) be too loud for lots of places.
Ive dropped alyn@asperformance a email
For the following.

Twinscroll decat down pipe and de res centre to mate with a Sti genome back box
Fuel pump and performance pannel filter

Already have a list of upgrades sat waiting to be put on... A few nice bits too lol

Service parts will be ordered next month...

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very nice martin! never been a fan of that style of wheels but as for the car
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dibbles00
Beautiful colour. The best JDM colour to have
Cheers buddy can't wait to get it now

Originally Posted by yabbadoo4
very nice martin! never been a fan of that style of wheels but as for the car
Thanks mate I quite like them but then I do have these waiting to go on after they've been refurbed in black



17x114.3 8j wide

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will look nice in black
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 02:48 PM
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I was under the impression that newage cars were reasonably safe to drive as they are without a remap (if its in stock form) as the ecu can self learn and re-set itself so wouldnt to any harm if driven normally without a re-map on uk fuel such as vpower ...?
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RAF1
I was under the impression that newage cars were reasonably safe to drive as they are without a remap (if its in stock form) as the ecu can self learn and re-set itself so wouldnt to any harm if driven normally without a re-map on uk fuel such as vpower ...?
Ive been told the same, when I seached this theres a lot of different views although Id rather not kill the engine for the sake of a remap to make it safe...

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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 03:10 PM
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Yeah I'm the same with my type-R thats due in a few weeks also. However I doubt if EVERY jdm car thats on the road has been re-mapped?? I used to be involved in the MR2 scene heavily and the turbo models were jdm only and more than happy to use without re-maps.
Loadsof owners modded them to stage 1 (decat / induction / fuel pump and increase boost to 1bar (stock was .8) ) with no issues at all.. Same with Supra TT and Celice GT4's

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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 03:21 PM
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I was Advised by AFP to run octane booster in the 05 Jdm Sti wide track blob I have owned since November 05 that was back when optimax 98ron was on the go .Till I got time of work for uk fuel remap mine is mapped by AFP using ECUTEK software .
If your not sure email a recommended ecu mapper round your area .
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Originally Posted by DIPSY
I was Advised by AFP to run octane booster in the 05 Jdm Sti wide track blob I have owned since November 05 that was back when optimax 98ron was on the go .Till I got time of work for uk fuel remap mine is mapped by AFP using ECUTEK software .
If your not sure email a recommended ecu mapper round your area .
Have done mate, sent Andrew Carr a message... I will more than likely run octane booster untill it's mapped for U.K. fuel which hopefully won't be too long... I'll add the up grades before it's done too..

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Originally Posted by M2RTXbugeye
Have done mate, sent Andrew Carr a message... I will more than likely run octane booster untill it's mapped for U.K. fuel which hopefully won't be too long... I'll add the up grades before it's done too..

Martin


Depends how long it takes for you to get remap .I would change the PFR7G fitted from factory mine were orangey/red with running octane booster .I went to PFR7B and gapped to 0.65mm

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Originally Posted by DIPSY
Depends how long it takes for you to get remap .I would change the PFR7G fitted from factory mine were orangey/red with running octane booster .I went to PFR7B and gapped to 0.65mm
I will add that to my service list... Having fresh oils and filters done through out along with fuel pump, pannel filter and plugs.. Cambelt just been done...

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I reckon I will get mine done from Any Carr also via Richard Henry's in Bradford so may see you there ...
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Originally Posted by RAF1
I reckon I will get mine done from Any Carr also via Richard Henry's in Bradford so may see you there ...
Usually go up to see him at Teg sport mate but on this occasion I'm going to ask him to come to me for a road map... Saves me having to drive it 50miles to be mapped

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the JDM cars run a higher timing table as standard - too high for even the superist of supers that we have.

Yes if you run the car on regular fuel after a few attempts it will drop the IAM value (overall timing advance value) down to something that suits the fuel type, but the car will continually be trying to advance the timing back the full target - given the right circumstances this will eventually cause problems to the engine.

The speed this all happens depends on how you drive the car, so long as your not drag stripping and hammering the life out of it constantly then you'll be significantly reducing the risk of damamge to the engine.

It's the same story as running a UK STI on 95 ron regular unleaded.
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