APS - Any experience
19 April 2002, 09:39 PM
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Anyone got any experience of the above Oz company?
www.airpowersystems.com.au
Seem to make some nice bits of kit!
like the look of the FMIC!
Big turbo - yummy!
Chris
www.airpowersystems.com.au
Seem to make some nice bits of kit!
like the look of the FMIC!
Big turbo - yummy!
Chris
19 April 2002, 10:03 PM
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Hi !
I have their Club Spec kit for the MY00 installed!
It gives a huge improvement, about 290 HP and 360 Nm Torque!!
i'm relly pleased with the quality of the stuff that ASP has developed!
//L-O
I have their Club Spec kit for the MY00 installed!
It gives a huge improvement, about 290 HP and 360 Nm Torque!!
i'm relly pleased with the quality of the stuff that ASP has developed!
//L-O
19 April 2002, 10:09 PM
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ha! Jamie!
I spoke to you earlier!
You gave me the web addy!
Soory - not that I don't trust you - just trying to speak to some people who have 1st hand experience of thier stuff!
Chris
I spoke to you earlier!
You gave me the web addy!
Soory - not that I don't trust you - just trying to speak to some people who have 1st hand experience of thier stuff!
Chris
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21 April 2002, 09:21 AM
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C,
The APS stuff is good... some of the Big Power boys on here have the APS induction kit... and aparently the Dual Capacity intercooler is very good too.
They have 500bhp scoob using the bits which would suggest they know what they are on about!
The APS stuff is good... some of the Big Power boys on here have the APS induction kit... and aparently the Dual Capacity intercooler is very good too.
They have 500bhp scoob using the bits which would suggest they know what they are on about!
21 April 2002, 12:46 PM
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Hi!
Just to let you all know that we have been busy adding the first of the APS information onto our site, bare with us, more detailed sections are in the pipeline:
www.performanceexhausts.net/APS.html
APS have been in the UK recently, we are now able to give you the official APS UK RRPs on all products and kits. We can also give you a list of the 6 official APS Approved Installers.
Please let me know if you would like any more details.
Jamie
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www.performanceexhausts.net
Just to let you all know that we have been busy adding the first of the APS information onto our site, bare with us, more detailed sections are in the pipeline:
www.performanceexhausts.net/APS.html
APS have been in the UK recently, we are now able to give you the official APS UK RRPs on all products and kits. We can also give you a list of the 6 official APS Approved Installers.
Please let me know if you would like any more details.
Jamie
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www.performanceexhausts.net
21 April 2002, 12:51 PM
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Chris,
Some of their products seem to be well made, and produce good results.
The FMIC, seems to work very well, but there have been a few issues with the silicon pipework. Some people have mentioned it's easily susceptible to damage, and in high boost applications tends to expand dramatically.
IMHO, their new turbo range has great potential. My personal concern is with the larger turbo's in the range, and their ability to flow the type of air volume needed for 500~550bhp.
This is based on them still using an intake diameter the same as stock, and I'm not certain how the volume of air needed for 550bhp will flow through the same pipe size used for the stock turbo.
For example: The stock turbo intake outside diameter is 55mm, minus the wall thickness, and this then tapers down towards the compressor wheel. From whet I can see, all the APS turbo's fit the same stock 55mm intake pipe.
500bhp rated Garrett turbo's have an intake diameter of circa 75mm, and 600bhp Garrett's are 100mm. This means that the Garrett's have an intake surface area of circa 3 times that of the stock, and APS turbo's.........
I guess we'll see when someone fits one.
Mark.
Some of their products seem to be well made, and produce good results.
The FMIC, seems to work very well, but there have been a few issues with the silicon pipework. Some people have mentioned it's easily susceptible to damage, and in high boost applications tends to expand dramatically.
IMHO, their new turbo range has great potential. My personal concern is with the larger turbo's in the range, and their ability to flow the type of air volume needed for 500~550bhp.
This is based on them still using an intake diameter the same as stock, and I'm not certain how the volume of air needed for 550bhp will flow through the same pipe size used for the stock turbo.
For example: The stock turbo intake outside diameter is 55mm, minus the wall thickness, and this then tapers down towards the compressor wheel. From whet I can see, all the APS turbo's fit the same stock 55mm intake pipe.
500bhp rated Garrett turbo's have an intake diameter of circa 75mm, and 600bhp Garrett's are 100mm. This means that the Garrett's have an intake surface area of circa 3 times that of the stock, and APS turbo's.........
I guess we'll see when someone fits one.
Mark.
21 April 2002, 01:14 PM
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Don't know if this will work, but I found these on another site. They compare a Garrett 600bhp turbo, to a VF22. The main thing to look at, is the difference between the intakes, and exhaust housings. It should also be noted, that the Garrett also uses an external wastegate......
Mark.
[Edited by R19KET - 4/21/2002 1:17:06 PM]
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[Edited by R19KET - 4/21/2002 1:17:06 PM]
21 April 2002, 02:35 PM
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Ah ha!
So - in theory the FMIC with some custom metal pipework could be the dogs danglies? it also appeared (from memory) to be nearly half the cost of vastly overpriced HKS goodies.
I had heard of them before but have no experience though.
As usual I cannot believe how much anything in relation to other makes/models costs. They are still well over £250 for an induction kit!!!!
My god that garrett turbo looks huge (s'pose it must be to flow enough air for 600bhp)
Interesting comments about the turbo - I think that is a little further down the list for me though (got to sort out some other bits & pieces first!)
Ah well.
Shouldn't be too long before now I jump upon the upgrade bandwagon!
Chris
So - in theory the FMIC with some custom metal pipework could be the dogs danglies? it also appeared (from memory) to be nearly half the cost of vastly overpriced HKS goodies.
I had heard of them before but have no experience though.
As usual I cannot believe how much anything in relation to other makes/models costs. They are still well over £250 for an induction kit!!!!
My god that garrett turbo looks huge (s'pose it must be to flow enough air for 600bhp)
Interesting comments about the turbo - I think that is a little further down the list for me though (got to sort out some other bits & pieces first!)
Ah well.
Shouldn't be too long before now I jump upon the upgrade bandwagon!
Chris
21 April 2002, 02:41 PM
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APS have certainly been working hard over the past few months to set the most competitive prices around.
I could not believe the great value when they gave me the prices 3 weeks ago, considering the amount of work and quality of craftmanship involved.
Jamie
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I could not believe the great value when they gave me the prices 3 weeks ago, considering the amount of work and quality of craftmanship involved.
Jamie
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21 April 2002, 02:45 PM
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The most I've ever spent on induction is £70, and that was for a K&N cone filter, AND a custom intake pipe !
Personally, I wouldn't waste my money on the HKS filter.
I think if I was going to buy a new FM, I would probably go for the HKS though. I'm sure the APS core is very good, but it's a pain in the a*se messing around with custom pipework, and the HKS is pretty well priced in the first place, if you know the right places !!!
Mark.
Personally, I wouldn't waste my money on the HKS filter.
I think if I was going to buy a new FM, I would probably go for the HKS though. I'm sure the APS core is very good, but it's a pain in the a*se messing around with custom pipework, and the HKS is pretty well priced in the first place, if you know the right places !!!
Mark.
21 April 2002, 03:07 PM
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Jamie
I was talking about all tuning & companies related to Japanese Cars. I struggle to understand how HKS can get awy with charging nearly £300 - prob nearly £400 when fitted for what appears to be a bit of pipework and a sponge in the loosest of terms.
It used to be considerably cheaper (with my non jap cars)
Ah well.
I was talking about all tuning & companies related to Japanese Cars. I struggle to understand how HKS can get awy with charging nearly £300 - prob nearly £400 when fitted for what appears to be a bit of pipework and a sponge in the loosest of terms.
It used to be considerably cheaper (with my non jap cars)
Ah well.
21 April 2002, 03:14 PM
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I see your point but there is a great difference in quality in the items from Blitz, HKS, Apex'i, Greddy and APS etc, and I suppose the popularity of Japanese performance cars dictates higher prices from some companies in some cases - facts of fiscal life I suppose!
22 April 2002, 09:02 AM
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To be honest with you I haven't had any experience fitting much more than the cold air induction kit, certainly no experience of mapping, but then again I never have claimed otherwise - that's not what we are about.
APS are fully aware of this also. I am however fully aware of the products and their' features and hence offer my advice when I can. Which is what the original thread was asking for.
Also my STI UK will possibly be having one of the kits plus a few other mods put on it in the next few weeks, so it will put me in a better position than most to comment.
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To be honest with you I haven't had any experience fitting much more than the cold air induction kit, certainly no experience of mapping, but then again I never have claimed otherwise - that's not what we are about.
APS are fully aware of this also. I am however fully aware of the products and their' features and hence offer my advice when I can. Which is what the original thread was asking for.
Also my STI UK will possibly be having one of the kits plus a few other mods put on it in the next few weeks, so it will put me in a better position than most to comment.
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22 April 2002, 09:16 AM
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Jamie,
The only way of knowing how good a product is, is to compare it to the alternatives.
So even if you think your car has been dramatically improved, once you fit the APS products, doesn't mean that it couldn't have been even better, had you of used products from an alternative manufacturer.
Mark.
The only way of knowing how good a product is, is to compare it to the alternatives.
So even if you think your car has been dramatically improved, once you fit the APS products, doesn't mean that it couldn't have been even better, had you of used products from an alternative manufacturer.
Mark.
22 April 2002, 09:20 AM
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Keep us posted on STi7 bits please
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The second test is to whether the bits work safely or not - i.e. not putting the life of your engine in danger.
Keep us posted on STi7 bits please
Mark
The second test is to whether the bits work safely or not - i.e. not putting the life of your engine in danger.
22 April 2002, 09:21 AM
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Mark I agree, that's the whole reason why Ive bought a STI, as a tesbed to test all our products.
Blitz, APS, Magnex etc etc.
Should also be nice for promotional work too!
Dave - I'll be in touch!
Jamie
[Edited by Jamie Whitfield - 4/22/2002 9:22:16 AM]
Blitz, APS, Magnex etc etc.
Should also be nice for promotional work too!
Dave - I'll be in touch!
Jamie
[Edited by Jamie Whitfield - 4/22/2002 9:22:16 AM]
22 April 2002, 11:10 AM
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The quality, the fitting? - Very high quality, and from what I have seen (very limited) fits very well, but so it should.
Just considering ordering a kit for our car, which I'll be running it back to back with some other stuff if all goes well. Not looking forward to the FMIC or the Flywheel though!
Jamie
Just considering ordering a kit for our car, which I'll be running it back to back with some other stuff if all goes well. Not looking forward to the FMIC or the Flywheel though!
Jamie
22 April 2002, 11:58 AM
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Dave T-S,
Safety is paramount, but assuming the products are from reputable suppliers/manufacturers, their reliability will depend on their fitting, and how they are implimented (tuned).
You could go out, and buy the best, most well tested products available, but if the engine isn't tuned correctly !!!!! My ecu cost nearly £3000, but in the wrong hands, a £15 bleed valve would perform better.
As for engine life, don't expect any "tuned" engine to last as long as a stock one.......
Mark.
Safety is paramount, but assuming the products are from reputable suppliers/manufacturers, their reliability will depend on their fitting, and how they are implimented (tuned).
You could go out, and buy the best, most well tested products available, but if the engine isn't tuned correctly !!!!! My ecu cost nearly £3000, but in the wrong hands, a £15 bleed valve would perform better.
As for engine life, don't expect any "tuned" engine to last as long as a stock one.......
Mark.
22 April 2002, 02:15 PM
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hi dude.....APS is good, but for every consedable option for STI/subaru try.........www.mrtrally.com.au u can get everything from them but a little expensive hope it helps....
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