RICH WILD

OH MY GOD!

Just had the shock of my life. Yesterday got 320bhp at Well Lane.

Big thanks to Jap Innovations in Oldham who have done ALL the work on my car.

It's a 1996 UK TURBO with standard ECU, standard internals and standard turbo and I've spent just over £1500 on the engine (incl. full exhaust system and filter) and the car has done nearly 100k miles.

I'm not bragging, I know there's more powerful UKs out there but just want to let people know if you want big power, you don't have to necessarily spend big bucks (as Damian Spencer also proved with his Dawes Device powered UK hitting 283bhp).

If anyone wants to know my spec, I'll gladly mail it to you, as loads of people asked me yesterday but my head was up my **** somewhat!!

Cheers

Rich

SPEN555

Rich,

What was your boost peak/held?

Mine was 18Psi Peak and 16Psi held.

Damian.

Dizzy

dont meen to run a dampner ( As I would love that much bhp ) but is running that much power safe without other upgrades?

RICH WILD

Damian,

19 peak and held. The full results are in the Northern section. Looks like we'll both be in Banzai!!

Dizzy,

You are probably right, but what fun is life without a little risk? Smoking can kill you but plenty of people do it (not me though).

Rich

Adam M

Exactly which mods do you have on there?

I dont mean to be rude, but I am seriously sceptical as the accuracy of results like that with no ecu mods.

Your car is supposed to produce 208bhp, and with little more than an exhaust and filter from what I can tell, you have gained more than 50%????

seems a bit spurious to me.

Dont get me wrong, you should be pleased, because even if the rollers are way off, you are still going to have made a massive improvement over standard.

do you have a lambda link or the like on there?

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

Hi Rich,

I had a look in Northern and you forgot to mention that you run a FDC and a boost controller!!

Nice figures!

Andy

CraigH

I reckonthe NF did it and it's nothing to do with your exhaust, FDC and boost controller

john banks

Have you done anything with your gearbox and clutch?

Sam Elassar's car I gather was struggling a bit towards the end with a few gearboxes and the oil ooze, but he did track the car a LOT.

I think your results are great, but me I am stopping (or trying to) stop where I am at 18 PSI on standard turbo and intercooler on MY00 for reliability reasons. My car has a weedy TD04L though. On a TD05 your results do not surprise me in particular. But anyone can get a high figure for a RR, but keeping it going like that is a different matter. But if you enjoy it and are happy to accept much higher failure rates for components then why not? Good on ya.

RICH WILD

Cheers for your support John, I couldn't have put it better myself!

My clutch is a little strained from the extra power. It's next on my list of upgrades, but so far it's holding.... just!

I had no idea I was doing that kind of power, I reckoned 275 max.

I agree entirely that other bits won't last as long but I only do about 10k miles per year anyway so that won't impact me as much as most people.

LOL @ CraigH too!

Seriously that NF is wicked stuff. I recommend it to anyone and at less than £3 per tankful it's for nothing.

Cheers

Rich

john banks

Are you using 1ml per litre of NF then?

Awaiting NF to arrive from NAM

CraigH

Is on it's way - be warned - it's very addictive

Adam M

Rich, is it possible you could ahve slipped on the rollers?

I remeber lou c in her sti 3 getting 350bhp at pe on a standard car!, it did it twice, but was quite easily spottable when looking at the graph.

I am sorry, I dont mean to rain on your parade.

I also know what you mean about the slating of uk internals.

If its any consellation, it is accepted that uk engines are ientical to wrx engines which come standard with 280ps. The only difference with the stis is the forged pistons which enable them to rev to 8000rpm as they weigh less. The forged sti pistons can handle more boost, but it seems to be the rods which dictate how far you can push the engine and these componenst are common to all standard imprezas.

In short dont be so convinced your engine is so far off the sti boys. If I thought those engines were anygood, I wouldnt be building another from scratch!

john banks

Adam or anyone- what turbo would a MY99/00 WRX (non-STi) run? Same intercooler as UK spec? What sort of boost?

Markus

Rich,
can you email me the spec (markus@markuswarren.co.uk)

BTW - is your car a wagon? or am I thinking about someone else? (another Richard?)

would love my little blackbeast to have that kind of power

Markus

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What's an FDC and what does it do?
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Adam M

John, never sure entirely.

wrx I know scott davies version 5 had a vf22, and they are about my99, am guessing a vf22 or a vf29, but then sti5 and 6 ran vf 29s so I guess it should be differnet to distinguish them!

GavinP

I think they mean FCD (Fuel Cut Defender)

This comes under the category of "feeding the ECU duff info to avoid the fuel cut triggering".

Thanks

Gavin

WREXY

Adam,

Did the STI 5 & 6 come with the VF29 or VF28. I've been telling everybody that asks me, VF28. Oh dear!!!

Cheers,

Wrexy.

RICH WILD

Gavin is absolutely correct. It allows me to run 19psi (~1.3 bar).

John, yes, 50ml per tankful.

Adam, it's quite alright, you are quite right to be sceptical. How many times have we all heard "my WHATEVER has 7 million horse" down the pub. It did 320bhp then 2 other runs of 318 so I doubt slippage. The drop was probably due to my piddly slant intercooler. The graph is a lovely smooth curve.

Markus et al

My details are as follows, quicker than answering 100 emails.

1996 UK Turbo

Blitz cone filter
Jap Innovations Hi-flow inlet pipe (pre 97 only)
Jap Innovations full decat exhaust with wrapped downpipe
HKS FCD
HKS AFR
HKS EVC3 Boost controller running 19psi (1.3 bar)
HKS Iridium plugs
MRT lightened pulleys
Forge DV
Samco intercooler hoses

Standard TDO5 turbo, Standard internals, standard ECU.

I first ran the car in Feb 2001 at Well Lane with just a Magnex BB and K&N panel filter and got 223bhp and 198lbsft. However, a dodgy solenoid meant I only hit 9psi (didn't even have a boost gauge back then )

Then in June 2001 got 249bhp and 234lbsft following full decat and a Blitz cone. Boost was now a respectable 13psi. Although I did have a misfire which was traced to a dodgy coilpack or 4 !!!

One thing strikes me though looking at all three graphs:

There's BOG ALL below 3000rpm.

Yesterday hit 320ish bhp @6000 but @3000 I was only pushing 100bhp
and the same is true of torque 170lbsft @3000 but 290lbsft @5000
so I obviously need a lot of work low down the rev range.
My TDO5 gives great boost but it's slow to spin up.

Anyone any ideas other than Nitrous or a supercharger?
Before you laugh, the Nissan Micra Superturbo had a supercharger AND a turbocharger, as did the old Lancia Delta S4.

Cheers

Rich

Markus

Rich,
thanks for the info. wow! few more electronic gizmo's and the blackbeast could have that kind of power "mmmmm, nice!"

T-uk

does the HKS FCD raise the boost cut or remove it?

StephenDone

Hi Richard,

What was your Power/Torque at the wheels figures ? Seeing as you have std gearbox & diffs, that's a better comparison since it rules out the possibility of a high calculated power due to roller slip. Your losses should be similar to the rest of us.

btw, for you to be getting 320BHP PaF, you would expect to see about 220BHP PaW. If your transmission losses were counted as higher than this, you probably slipped. Prove us otherwise !

For comparison, I got 287BHP PaF. This was calculated from 210BHP PaW.

Cheers

Steve

P.S. I think slipping on the rollers can be a quite problem. I dropped into Power Engineering at lunchtime, and they are having their rollers re-knurled for some recent rather 'high torque' cars that were slipping.

TopCat

Tell me about it I was there Saturday wheel spinning on the run:-)

john banks

You have a full remap effectively (boost controller, fuel/ignition controller = the same thing ) and a TD05, so 320bhp on optimistic rollers seems not too incredible to believe.

Now a FMIC would really finish the job m8?

I gather the HKS FCD can RAISE the fuel cut. How much is it?

alanjack

Hi Rich, one question about the rolling road. I heard that on an EVO 6, WELL LANE gained 50BHP on the car purely by loading up back end with bodies. I know they did this on sunday but I presumed this was because the Evo couldn't be strapped down at the back. What do you think?
P.S I want to know why your Rev counters red line is between 8,000 and 9,000 on a UK Car!

SPEN555

Hey Rich,

You really only replied to this thread because you knew it would get '320bhp' to the top again!! Lol!

Damian.

RICH WILD

Wot, like this?

LOL

Rich

Scruff

Hi Rich,

What did you do with the carbon look panels after you silvered it. Do you still have them as I may be interested.

Cheers

Alan

Jolly Green Monster 2

Cool... well done on the figure!

I have a MY96 and would love to mod it but currently standard.

Looking for a nice boost gauge cheap as I have a Dawes type boost adjuster in the garage to fit already..

I do a lot of miles so wouldn't want to take too much of a risk (respect that you are willing to).

I like the dash mods.. would be good to see current with silver?

The standard black dials are so dull.

Mine is a wagon but I presume will still have the TD05? power below 3000rpm is poo... but you get used to it and I am sure this is why I can achieve reasonable MPG when not in a rush.

Anyone suggest a boost figure I should run it at with everything else standard to get a little extra power and still be reliable?
Mileage is currently 93000.. I notice you have 100k so this is promising and credit to the engine...

Only other question, do you think there would be any point adding an octane booster to optimax in a standard car? or once the boost is upped?
I think it is time for some mods though.. got an STi backbox just not stuck it on.. might looking into a cone filter.
Nothing like your mods but I cannot throw too much money at it and want reliable motoring too.

Cheers for any help / views and well done on keeping up the UK flag!

RICH WILD

Thanks a lot chaps for your kind comments

To answer your queries. The carbon effect was that crap stick on film stuff that took ages and looked exceelnt when done but, as it is applied and stretched by heat, a few hot summer's days saw it bubbling off and looking poo, so I ripped it all off and sprayed silver. I'll try and dig out a pic from my records of the new dash as the boost gauge is now a nice Blitz item too.

Re the boost I run 19-20 psi. Standard (with a clean solenoid) mine ran 12 psi. But I'd say you can run 1.0 bar (14.5 psi) without any probs with fuel cut or reliability. It's really up to you.
One thing to watch for though on the earlier cars, like ours, is that the coil packs deteriorate with age. Once you start upping the boost, you can end up with stuttering that feels like fuel starvation but this only happened in mine when I went past 1.0bar.
I replaced the coilpacks and fitted Iridium plugs and it was fine.

If yours is a 96 with the slanty intercooler it should definately have the TDO5 and I agree BOB all before 3000

On the octane booster side. You shouldn't REALLY need it with a standard car as they tend to run rich anyway. But my brother uses it in his standard chunk and I used to use it running 1.0 bar, without any problems so it's up to you. Some people say you shouldn't use it all the time because your car gets addicted to it and if for any reason you miss it out, your car will run like poo.

As you up the boost beyond say, 1.1 or 1.2 I believe it is essential, unless you have a very good upgraded fuel system and even then, I think I'd still use it.

Hope this helps

Cheers
Rich